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Ooblets will be exclusive to Epic Games Store on PC
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Yeah I know how to read, thanks. The "It's anti-consumer" shit was what I'm talking about. Makes them come off like a couple assholes.
Why did you make the same post twice? I'm getting super confused here, thought the post order got messed up suddenly
They're preparing for the over the top hate they know is coming as a result of this -- and yes, to put things in perspective, downloading a free launcher (or just passing on a game if you don't want to) is nothing to get angry about. There's such better uses of energy. Seriously, dude, life is so short
Sorry, I must have clicked the wrong button, my bad.
Devs getting paid and being able to keep making games is not good for games?
You don't seem to know what either of those things are.
Propping up a strawman just to knock it down in an attempt to tsk tsk "gamers" as a whole is not well reasoned discourse, and neither is dismissing valid concerns about why one would not to use EGS with irrelevant comparisons to Netflix and other paid services.
It's been a high profile indie game for a long while, it would have done fine on steam and they also have a console exclusivity deal with XBOX
It reads like somebody who knows they're pissing people off but instead of owning it, they want to downplay it. But then they intentionally provoke the reader by mocking the frustrations they know they have caused, which is why people are reacting so negatively.
BTW, you can get Outer Wilds on Microsoft Game Store and PS4+XB1.
Probably because giving away Fortnite free money to any dev of a somewhat interesting game is not sustainable. Once the EGS get a good marketshare, they will most likely turn their heads over to only moneyhatting AAA games.
You know, steam used to be a closed store, too. Just getting your game there made you a winner.
Well-reasoned and direct discourse such as:
"It's just another thing to click on!"
"You're all pirates so why should we listen to you?"
"You all downloaded the EGS for Fortnite so you're clearly all hypocrites!"
"You can't care about this because of climate change and human rights abuses!"
Well, yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you on that front.
You seem angry, are you sure your time isn't better spent being angry about:
- Climate change
- Human rights abuse
It's calling out the childish behaviour widely displayed in this thread. And that blog post is totally fine, because they are right. The hate campaign and boycott mentality towards devs publishing their games exclusively in the EGS is hard to justify and comes mostly from entitlement and ignorance. Making games is expensive. Making money out of games is hard. If a platform is making such things easier for developers players should be celebrating it, not being negative about it only because they have to download and install another launcher. Bottom line is, if you like games and care about the industry you should be supporting such platform.
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It's almost comical how condescending you're being here.
The blog post is clearly condescending. Agree with their main points or not, it just is.
More like inviting the hate with such an inflammatory and condescending blog post...
Anyway, you do not get to decide what people can be angry or frustrated about it. I could say the same thing to you: "don't get angry about other people getting frustrated over things you don't understand or agree with."
You're here posting in this thread about this and how you are so supportive of their flippant attitude and yet you're lecturing others about "better uses of energy?" I would hope you could see how ridiculous that is.
Apparently not short enough for you to follow your own advice given that you keep popping up in these threads.
Of course you do.
What a surprise.
But WHAT ABOUT HOBBES? WILL HE SHOCK US?
Poorly disguised passive-aggressiveness.
Yep. First time hearing about this game, don't care about EGS in the slightest since I never play on my PC these days. Their blog post is just the fucking worst, to the point where I would rather not give them anymore time or attention.
The AAA space has not got better with inflated budgets some say it's not even sustainable.
I guess I have seen it happen in other creative spaces that having to work without your budgets can bring out some great creative works.
Some of the best ideas come from having to maximise your resources.
Again I would rather the Devs eat if that's what they need and grow if they sell well to each there own with their projects it's more of an alternative perspective.
"Preparing for the over the top hate," by being incredibly condescending towards your customer base, calling them hypocrites and pirates, and then making the same disingenuous arguments they've heard a million times by now is like preparing for a fire by covering your house in gasoline.
I downloaded a launcher that literally posted my password all over the web. I think I have every right to get angry about that. My old password can still be found easily on the web if someone knows my username.
Besides that I do not like exclusives on the PC market, even if it is just another launcher and I could literally not even use the launcher from December to May, because Epic literally blocked chinese IPs. On the other hand games are more expensive, some games arent even available for China to me on EGS for whatever reason (and if that game is exclusive i can not access it) and several games do not even recognize DS4 on the EGS. Cloud saves are there now, so thats good, but the launcher itself is a 2005 launcher in 2019.
It still doesnt have achievements or community features.
I love to have collectible pages open when I play my games on Steam.
These are my personal points on why I do not like to use it.
I do not like to be talked in a condescending way just because I criticize a launcher. I did not even say anything bad about them getting money.
If they got money, good for them. Wont buy it there then.
How is sarcastically implying your little pea-sized Gamer™ brain can't possibly handle having an critical/emotional response to Epic's business practices AND climate change or human rights issues "well reasoned"? lol
I often question the newcomer, indie devs who immediately jump to "I can spend this money on other awesome stuff!" when they've been worrying about "keeping the lights on." If the latter is true, they might be better off putting that money away, or paying rent for an office space a year in advance or something, instead of blowing it all right away on contractors or more full-time employees, at least until they know if their game will find an audience or not.
I think that's fair, and I understand not wanting to use a different launcher for any reason. I was personally kind of irked by it when I had to use it to buy Ashen, but I moved on pretty quickly, so I have trouble understanding people who become very animated about this matter
We sure this not coming to Windows store /that Xbox sub thing on PC? MS has been showcasing the game for years.
Edit: read the blog, they really called people with legit concern about EGS "Gamers(tm)"? Really disappointed about the EGS apologist attitude, Ooblets will go to the ignore list on every platform I have...
Edit: read the blog, they really called people with legit concern about EGS "Gamers(tm)"? Really disappointed about the EGS apologist attitude, Ooblets will go to the ignore list on every platform I have...
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Well-reasoned and direct discourse like "but what about climate change?" ?
That's the sort of Animal Crossing x Harvest Moon thing, right ?
I'll probably get it down the line
I'll probably get it down the line
Except, a platform is not making such things easier "for developers." It's making sweetheart deals for a very select few developers who are willing to give up exclusivity. You make it sound like EGS is benefiting the industry overall and making game development a more secure line of work somehow. Instead it's really just letting Epic curate what games are guaranteed a certain level of monetary success or not.
And stop with the "just another launcher" nonsense. You cannot have read much into this issue if you still harp on that. It's annoyingly dismissive.
All I see is one dev getting a golden ticket while dozens of others are left out in the cold.
At this point I'm just genuinely fascinated by the disconnect between developers and consumers. It's like the sequel to the whole Diablo Immortal fiasco, but with devs instead of journalists.
For me, my issue is the disproportionate response.
I agree with many of these points, though as someone who has also been gaming on consoles for decades, I'm not really sympathetic to the "walled garden" accusations ;-) But the pure vitriol that is displayed every single time this comes up is nuts.
I get making noise about the things you want to change in the hobby you love. I'm the gal who wants to buy every game on Switch that isn't a AAA graphics showcase. I may even be guilty of directly tweeting a dev to make this desire known (*cough*CrossCode*cough*) But then I move on and either decided to make some concessions to play early or just wait for the game to be playable where I want.
There are some really valid reasons beyond inconvenience why people wouldn't want to use EGS and I support that. But when the exclusivity is announced from the beginning as timed (so worst case you're waiting to play on your launcher of choice) or people start bringing Chinese conspiracies into it (thankfully not a thing yet in this thread), this is where the backlash-against-the-backlash comes from.
Yeah, acting like this is an underground indie gem or something ignores the fact that it has had more advertising and opportunities than most indies could ever dream of. A game that features at multiple E3 conferences with publisher interest and previously-established exclusivity deals (i.e. it was going to be on Xbox Play Anywhere) is not a small game by any means.
This is pretty much why devs say nothing. Someone tries to make a non-PR statement that pokes fun at certain people and others get personally offended.
18% more of revenue compared to Steam is not making things easier for developers. And you, a gamer, are the one to tell a developer that. Right.
EGS is benefiting the industry and developers especially. And yes, EGS offer deals to high profile titles, but that higher revenue and proper curation are still there for the rest.
So who cares what long term effects to the industry or consumer rights we should trust a mega rich corp like Epic to show they know what's best for all of us?
You talk like the PC industry was dying before they started paying off developed en mass.
I buy games on all platforms and storefronts and sometimes I double or triple dip on games. I have payed into Kickstarter games.
If Epic truely cared about the developers they wouldn't be holding games hostage to only their storefront.
I don't like buying off third party games on any platforms I feel games should not be pushed into only walled gardens.
If they feel they can be condensing towards customers because epic paid them what customers would have paid up front good for them I suppose.
But to say that people like myself don't invest heavily into the games industry is simply unfair or to say this is the only way it can be done is unfair.
I would celebrate epic if they gave the development team the money without the strings attached for customers as Tim loves to claim he is altruistic.
Exactly. Epic identifies games that already have a great deal of interest and buy their exclusivity.
You can make a non-PR statement without alienating and pissing off your audience. In fact, they already did in their email! They really should've just copied that.
They already did. That's the magic of it, you don't need to sell games to get loads of money.
Who says a lot of the state of the PC market, honestly.
Ya I think a lot of the earlier posts and the positive posts in general are from people that didn't actually read the ridiculous blog post.