Conservatives have no issues with overpaid corporate executives receiving millions of dollars in pay, in fact they cheer it on, but the moment "tax dollars" enters the equation everyone needs to be working for pennies.
LOL it's always amazing when people act like 100K is a small amount of money. BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO BUY A HOUSE WITH STRAIGHT CASH AND OWN TWO CARS AND SEND 3 KIDS TO AN ELITE PRIVATE SCHOOL AND STILL GO ON YEARLY VACATIONS100k for one person is still a lot. Geeze what world do you all live in.
"What are the Liberals trying to hide?"
Unions representing a wide range of Ontario's public sector workers — from teachers to nurses to hospital janitors — fear that legislation to freeze or limit their wages is on the way.
The Ford government is meeting with the unions for what it describes as "consultation sessions" on reining in public sector pay. One of the proposals floated by the province: capping future wage increases through legislation.
Such a cap could be imposed on hundreds of thousands of workers in Ontario, including those employed by school boards, colleges, universities, government agencies and the province itself.
The consultations are a sham, said Smokey Thomas, president of the Ontario Public Service Employees' Union (OPSEU).
Thomas and other union officials say they believe the government is holding these sessions in an attempt to prevent the courts from throwing out such a legislated wage cap.
"In my mind they're just ticking off the boxes to fight off a Charter challenge if they interfere in collective bargaining in any way," Thomas said in an interview Wednesday.
The Ford government has a big incentive to clamp down on wages. Its budget projections over the next few years are largely predicated on health and education workers getting little to nothing in the way of pay increases.
Bargaining is poised to begin for the province's four teachers' unions and other unionized education workers. Their contracts all expire at the end of August.
It's far from clear that negotiated pay hikes with public sector unions are to blame for Ontario's deficit. As the government's own statistics reveal, the average wage settlements in the public sector have actually been lower than those in the private sector for five years running.
Fred Hahn, president of CUPE Ontario, says his members earn on average $40,000 a year and their pay increases have fallen short of inflation over the past decade.
"Their wages are not a king's or queen's ransom," said Hahn in an interview.
"These are the folks who keep our schools clean, the folks who are orderlies and [personal support workers] in hospitals and long-term care facilities, who work in child care centres," he added.
"We really have no clue about what the government is planning for us with respect to public-sector wage restraint because they have not been direct about it," said Michael Hurley, who leads the Ontario Coalition of Hospital Unions.
Well would you look at that:
Ford government sets the stage for capping public sector raises
Absolutely. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. They need to incentivize people to give a shit. Hence why I can't blame anyone at the courthouse or DMV or post office when the service sucks. I'm sure I wouldn't give a fuck either if I was barely being paid.I have experience working with the government in the States as an IT consultant. If anything, I'd argue that government should pay people more in order to attract talent. I worked with far too many government employees who were flat-out incompetent at their jobs and practically useless. It was mind-boggling to witness my own tax dollars being wasted.
Straight cash ? Multiple cars ? You're dreaming . I don't make 100k but I'm closing in on it and I share a house with my brother . My kid ain't going to any private school . Cheapest houses are 550k here and in Ontario I bet it's the same or moreLOL it's always amazing when people act like 100K is a small amount of money. BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO BUY A HOUSE WITH STRAIGHT CASH AND OWN TWO CARS AND SEND 3 KIDS TO AN ELITE PRIVATE SCHOOL AND STILL GO ON YEARLY VACATIONS
Plenty of people that make $100K...$300K...$500K are also "front line workers in various public service positions". Alot of people are clueless on how much people actually make. It's why many politicians cling to their jobs, because they might never make $125K or so again. This was also covered in the "Abolish Billionaires" fallacy thread. By every standard, a person making $100K is upper class in any official governmental category. I make significantly less than that and sometimes feel bad about how much money I make.
Never understood this phrase. Do monkeys ever eat peanuts?Absolutely. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. They need to incentivize people to give a shit. Hence why I can't blame anyone at the courthouse or DMV or post office when the service sucks. I'm sure I wouldn't give a fuck either if I was barely being paid.
Straight cash ? Multiple cars ? You're dreaming . I don't make 100k but I'm closing in on it and I share a house with my brother . My kid ain't going to any private school . Cheapest houses are 550k here and in Ontario I bet it's the same or more
Only in captivity. I think the phrase comes from zoo visiting folk
Who said anything about single parents? And you admit to living in a house ("but oh no I have to share a 3 bedroom home with a family member! No room for a mancave or gaming room!") Keep reaching man. No one told you to stay living in one of the most expensive areas in North America. And LOL at the guy above me acting like Canada, one of the world's top first world countries, only has jobs around the golden horseshoe.Straight cash ? Multiple cars ? You're dreaming . I don't make 100k but I'm closing in on it and I share a house with my brother . My kid ain't going to any private school . Cheapest houses are 550k here and in Ontario I bet it's the same or more
I don't see why it is such a bad thing to make money.
I work in the public sector and once my benefits are factored in I am very close to that threshold.
And weird conceptions around how relatively basic financial security is now some king shit
They were earning 6M. Then Ford fired the entire board and the CEO, paid them all a severance of 10M each. The political interference caused the USA to cancel an acquisition, causing penalties of half a billion to be paid out. Also in the same signature we cancelled an almost complete Wind Farm to the total cost of a couple hundred million.The CEO of a public utility better be making more than that or you're going to have a public utility that doesn't run very well.
Lol yeah ill just petition for all large hospitals to move out of major urban areas sure . Or I could change careers right ? I commute an hour to work because I can't afford to live where I work. My house is cheap compared to the 750k near work. But I'll just switch jobs tomorrow ok?Who said anything about single parents? And you admit to living in a house ("but oh no I have to share a 3 bedroom home with a family member! No room for a mancave or gaming room!") Keep reaching man. No one told you to stay living in one of the most expensive areas in North America. And LOL at the guy above me acting like Canada, one of the world's top first world countries, only has jobs around the golden horseshoe.
Do you know that minimum wage in Ontario is $14/hour? Do you realize that your need to necro this comment because you kid can't go to private school, totally proves my point about everyone that makes less than half a million acting poor?
Because you...*GASP*...have to save up for a few years before buying your own house?