Is there any indication of what the "lsd" cigarette actually was, considering you can't actually smoke acid? Maybe PCP as he didn't really seem to care that he was stabbed in the leg
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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood |OT| Fictional Glorious Basterds Unchained (Open Spoilers)
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I think I knew the exact right amount about the Manson Family for maximum impact.
I had never heard of Spahn Ranch, so until they get there, I had no idea that he was riding with a member of the family. Then one of them name-drops Charlie while they're there.
My wife, who didn't know that the Manson Family was a commune thing didn't catch the namedrop.
People who know more (like the ranch name) will know what Cliff is heading into before he gets there.
My wife, who didn't know that the Manson Family was a commune thing didn't catch the namedrop.
People who know more (like the ranch name) will know what Cliff is heading into before he gets there.
Was it actually acid? Was it laced with something else? Was it actually a different synthetic street drug? Or was it just a storytelling device cooked up in an alternate Tarantino version of our reality?
As omniscient observers we have no idea, no way of really knowing, just that Pitt's character seemed to be tripping and it (loosely) lined up with a standard hallucinogenic experience. Part of the magic is that the scene works the same whatever it was.
Yeah it's more that I don't think Tarantino would make that "mistake" so I was wondering if I missed anything indicating that it was actually something else
I originally thought they were going to say Sharon was a target because she had the same car as Cliff.
Saw it last night and absolutely loved it, even though the internet and every interview leading up to the release made damn sure you knew what Tate's fate would be going into it.
Thought maybe it needed a little bit less of Leo's acting plot but that ending paid off so well, holy shit. All I could think of was that one Pitt interview where he read the last fight and was like "are you serious?"
Not entirely sure how I felt about Bruce Lee's characterization - it definitely leans into the side of him that most leave unsaid, that he's less of a Jesus-like martial artist like how his movies portray him, and more of a persuasive speaker and typical Hollywood action star.
It started to turn back around to being a positive portrayal when he and Pitt started sparring and were evenly matched, and then showing him repeatedly training with Tate and her ex, which also functioned as a great red herring.
Thought maybe it needed a little bit less of Leo's acting plot but that ending paid off so well, holy shit. All I could think of was that one Pitt interview where he read the last fight and was like "are you serious?"
Not entirely sure how I felt about Bruce Lee's characterization - it definitely leans into the side of him that most leave unsaid, that he's less of a Jesus-like martial artist like how his movies portray him, and more of a persuasive speaker and typical Hollywood action star.
It started to turn back around to being a positive portrayal when he and Pitt started sparring and were evenly matched, and then showing him repeatedly training with Tate and her ex, which also functioned as a great red herring.
This is about where I'm at on the movie. Doesn't quite have as many "QT Dialogue" scenes as he's done in most of his movies, but it does have some quality"QT Scenes" in there. From Rick's scenes with the little girl (and his various scenes for that show), to the entire ranch scene. Cliff and Rick are just the best.
Also, I could live in the various car driving scenes. Superb work on making it feel like the 60's, between the cars, the various props and even the lighting they filmed in. Just lovely. Makes me want to look into buying a vintage car.
Saw it for the second time Tues.
There's like one or two shots I keep thinking about because it makes me want to laugh. In the first third of the film when they are dancing to Son of a Lovin' Man... and Roman Polanski is getting down in that frilly outfit... I don't know just the thought of that really having happened makes me crack up. I don't know if he was much of a dancer IRL but that actor was selling it for all of his worth.
There's like one or two shots I keep thinking about because it makes me want to laugh. In the first third of the film when they are dancing to Son of a Lovin' Man... and Roman Polanski is getting down in that frilly outfit... I don't know just the thought of that really having happened makes me crack up. I don't know if he was much of a dancer IRL but that actor was selling it for all of his worth.
I remember watching the trailer a few times and never actually hearing what Leo says to that little girl who tells him that was the best acting he had ever seen. I could only make out the "fucking" part and thought maybe he was annoyed at her because she fucked up his headspace for that scene or something. Now that I've seen the film, man, that was such a wholesome moment between them.
That little girl's validation meant SO much for Rick. Made him feel like he could move mountains.
Thinking about this and the Sharon Tate cinema scene gets me a little choked up. Two very touching scenes.
That little girl's validation meant SO much for Rick. Made him feel like he could move mountains.
Thinking about this and the Sharon Tate cinema scene gets me a little choked up. Two very touching scenes.
More likely a callback to Django Unchained than Austin Powers haha
Its previous owner had turned down Manson for a record contract. Even though Manson knew he no longer lived there, it made the house a target for him nonetheless. Just bad luck for the people who happened to be living there.
He was mad at the guy who had lived there, but he also supposedly knew the guy had moved. So maybe he just wanted to kill some rich people and it wa a house he knew?
Has anybody ever asked Manson why he didn't just track down and kill the guy who nixed his record deal?
Also, what sort of music was he making? Are there recordings?
Dude, Manson was hanging out with the Beach Boys. He was a legit talented musician.
No idea. I don't know how honest or forthcoming Manson ever was about this stuff.
After the movie I looked into details, and there's an interesting list of people who lived in that house:
Cary Grant and Dyan Cannon
Henry Fonda
Paul Revere and the Raiders!
Terry Melcher (Doris day's son, and the music producer reference above) with Candice Bergen
and long after the murders, Trent Reznor
They even used one of his songs, though they changed the lyrics to not be so fucking weird.
eh id say he was more an insanely charismatic dude, his music is known now because its by Manson not by its qualities
I saw it again. Way better the second time. I'd committed myself to seeing it twice with different people, and I swear that first time, during one of the movie's more lulling episodes, I was thinking "I have to sit through this again?" When it was over I thought, "Not bad, but uneven, overlong, and indulgent." It's still uneven. Watching Sharon Tate watch her own movie isn't riveting stuff. It's still overlong. The Playboy Mansion scene should go. Somebody on a podcast compared that scene to Austin Powers, and I agree. It's corny. I know it's all about clueing the audience in to the Tate-Polanski-Sebring love triangle, but do it some other way. It's still indulgent. How many panning close-ups of old '60s memorabilia do we need? How much of Pitt driving around listening to music?
But let me tell you, after seeing this movie a second time, I'm kind of in love with it. Going in knowing what I was getting, I found myself less bored by the parts I was bored by the first time and more excited because I was eagerly awaiting the parts I loved. I couldn't wait for this fresh audience to see, for instance, Rick yelling at himself in his trailer. At the beginning, when Rick and Cliff hopped in the car and "Treat Her Right" started blaring, I was thinking, "Yes, here we fucking go." And then, "Wait, aren't I cool on this movie? Why am I so excited?"
I love the duo of Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth. They may be my favorite characters these actors have ever played. I love the soundtrack. I can't stop listening to The Mamas and the Papas's "Twelve Thirty" and The Rolling Stones's "Out of Time." The ending is incredible. Cliff Booth walking his dog down the road as the murderers drive up the road and the camera slowly zooms in. Rick lifting the pitcher of frozen margarita to his lips after he gets done yelling at Tex. Rick floating in his pool, wasted, bulbous headphones on, blasting music, bobbing his head and singing along to some old song about WWII. The whole Cliff and Tex showdown. "You are real, right?" Jay Sebring asking Rick if everybody's all right, and Rick going, "Well, the hippies aren't." It's all so damn good.
So my updated opinion is that, yeah, this movie is not genius from start to finish. There are missteps. But there is enough genius in it to make up for the parts that aren't so good. The characters of Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth, their friendship, the movie's atmosphere, the soundtrack, the many funny scenes, the ending that's unbearably suspenseful then shocking then hilarious then, finally, moving—there are parts of the movie that are so strong that I walked out of this hangout movie willing to hang out for another hour. If you've seen this movie once and didn't think much of it, I recommend seeing it a second time. You might be surprised.
But let me tell you, after seeing this movie a second time, I'm kind of in love with it. Going in knowing what I was getting, I found myself less bored by the parts I was bored by the first time and more excited because I was eagerly awaiting the parts I loved. I couldn't wait for this fresh audience to see, for instance, Rick yelling at himself in his trailer. At the beginning, when Rick and Cliff hopped in the car and "Treat Her Right" started blaring, I was thinking, "Yes, here we fucking go." And then, "Wait, aren't I cool on this movie? Why am I so excited?"
I love the duo of Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth. They may be my favorite characters these actors have ever played. I love the soundtrack. I can't stop listening to The Mamas and the Papas's "Twelve Thirty" and The Rolling Stones's "Out of Time." The ending is incredible. Cliff Booth walking his dog down the road as the murderers drive up the road and the camera slowly zooms in. Rick lifting the pitcher of frozen margarita to his lips after he gets done yelling at Tex. Rick floating in his pool, wasted, bulbous headphones on, blasting music, bobbing his head and singing along to some old song about WWII. The whole Cliff and Tex showdown. "You are real, right?" Jay Sebring asking Rick if everybody's all right, and Rick going, "Well, the hippies aren't." It's all so damn good.
So my updated opinion is that, yeah, this movie is not genius from start to finish. There are missteps. But there is enough genius in it to make up for the parts that aren't so good. The characters of Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth, their friendship, the movie's atmosphere, the soundtrack, the many funny scenes, the ending that's unbearably suspenseful then shocking then hilarious then, finally, moving—there are parts of the movie that are so strong that I walked out of this hangout movie willing to hang out for another hour. If you've seen this movie once and didn't think much of it, I recommend seeing it a second time. You might be surprised.
Oh yeah, I mean there's a reason the dude nixed his record contract lol. But when you hear "Manson was a singer" the reality is probably somewhat better than what would pop into most people's minds.
There's other psychedelics that can be smoked -- peyote, mescaline, DMT, etc.
Wait, him asking about the previous owners wasn't a complete front in the movie?
Nope, the "Terry" that Manson was asking about in that scene was the legit previous resident of that house and not some Strangers-esque "Is Tamara home?" front.
The more I learn about the movie and the events surrounding it, the more I love it. The attention to detail is unreal. So much of it can be missed/ignored if you don't know the context and that's fantastic.
I saw it tonight and I really enjoyed it....
I think I was the only person in my theater who laughed out loud with the inglorious bastards reference..
I also loved how QT inserted Leo into The Great Escape.
Loved seeing Margo Robbie as Sharon Tate watching a movie with the real Sharon Tate in it.
I think I was the only person in my theater who laughed out loud with the inglorious bastards reference..
I also loved how QT inserted Leo into The Great Escape.
Loved seeing Margo Robbie as Sharon Tate watching a movie with the real Sharon Tate in it.
Oh shit that's what he was listening to.
That song is one of my favs didn't catch that haha
Side note unrelated the amount of Paul Revere and the Raiders made me happy.
I liked that too. And I saw that they had lived at the house prior IRL.
Brad Pitts line when they were watching FBI was great. "Not when rick dalton has a fucking shotgun."
It was something like that, not verbatim.
It was something like that, not verbatim.
Was hoping he'd put their song Kicks in there but alas.
Kicks is one of my fav 60s pop songs
And yeah that house man. Crazy shit
I think your take on the movie is one based off not understanding some historical context for this movie, which I also didn't understand until I watched Tarantino talking about the film. The ending doesn't say, "what if those days didn't have to end", the beginning of the movie says, "those days ended and you were left behind".
Rick Dalton is apparently based off actors from the 1950s who were popular on TV shows and were never able to transition to film in the 60s. Tarantino says that the cool cowboy persona from the 50s was no longer popular and rather you had more skinny, androgynous and hippie actors, which was the opposite of what Dirk Dalton and those real life actors were.
Which is why that scene in the makeup trailer is so jarring to Rick Dalton, he doesn't understand why he would need to put on makeup and look like a hippie. He wants the audience to see that tough cowboy character, like what was popular in his time, but that's not what the late sixties want.
By the end of the movie he has finally realized he is a man out of time, has let himself transition to something different, and will hopefully find the successes that his contemporaries were able to achieve going into the 60s that he wasn't.
He goes over this in this interview:
You're right. I changed my mind the second time I saw it. I actually knew the historical context. I just wasn't thinking straight. By 1969 the '50s are (obviously) long over and what's coming is the New Hollywood of Polanski. The ending doesn't imply that the styles and values of the '50s (already over when the movie begins) will return or revive. It implies that Rick is going to be a part of the new film movement and do some real acting. So yeah, my mistake.
Saw it and enjoyed it for the most part.
My favourite bit was the awesome reference to a classic William Eggleston photo when Rick and Cliff are flying back from Italy.
My favourite bit was the awesome reference to a classic William Eggleston photo when Rick and Cliff are flying back from Italy.
From what I remember, the murders were sort of spontaneous. One of the Manson members freaked out and killed someone during a drug deal gone wrong, so to cover for those murders, Manson in all his stupidity devised a plan to murder famous white people, link those to the original murder, blame it on militant black satanists or something, in hopes of starting a race war. At least that's what he sold to his followers. He knew famous people lived at that house, so it became a target.
The Manson family were really just a bunch of bumbling, drug fueled idiots. It's funny that when this movie was announced everyone freaked out thinking QT would glorify Manson and the murders and the gore, and in reality he did nothing of the sort (Manson himself is in the movie for all of like 30 seconds) and really portrayed the rest of the family to something closer to what they really were. Really played with people's expectations.
Did anyone else think the thing with Cliff's wife, and leaving her death a mystery, was a nod to Natalie Wood? The wife mentions a "Natalie" on the phone too. Not that it was supposed to be Natalie Wood, just a nod to an old Hollywood scandal. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
I need to watch again but I must say I really, really loved Margot Robbie in this and what she and QT did with the character of Sharon Tate.
The way she was imbued with her own sense of purpose and existed above that horrible tragedy is one of the most tender character arcs in any Tarantino film, imo. I also enjoyed that we got so little of her, we didn't need a complete dissertation because that would be doing a disservice to her, it would go into fabrications and fundamentally turn her into a new person. What we got instead was an ethereal, vibrant, kind woman and all we can do is wonder about what could have been.
The way she was imbued with her own sense of purpose and existed above that horrible tragedy is one of the most tender character arcs in any Tarantino film, imo. I also enjoyed that we got so little of her, we didn't need a complete dissertation because that would be doing a disservice to her, it would go into fabrications and fundamentally turn her into a new person. What we got instead was an ethereal, vibrant, kind woman and all we can do is wonder about what could have been.
I think you're right
I think you could also really tell that Cliff's role was written for Cruise, but I'm really happy Pitt got it
Hah, I recognized the theater instantly. I don't often head to Westwood, but I've been there a few times.Gonna repost this from the other thread since people who've already seen the movie might find it cool
Popped by Westwood Village the other day, thought you guys might find this fun
When Margot Robbie left the theater, though, you could see a CVS Pharmacy in the background. Kind of brought me out of it for a moment. ^^
