It might be the introvert in me, but reading this really annoyed me 😂
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On people who spoil shit...
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It does suck when people just spoil things out of nowhere and especially for no actually good reason. If you claim that having to avoid spoilers limits your ability to discuss things in more depth, then you better be actually discussing things in more depth.
Most of the time things get spoiled, on purpose or not, it's basically just "so that thing happens, huh?". There's not any meaningful commentary being added on top of it. Just saying what happens isn't "discussion".
That being said, I find myself caring less and less about spoilers as time goes on, so I'm definitely on the camp that says "spoilerphobes are even more annoying" at the moment.
I also feel like The Last of Us Part II will force us to think about "spoiler culture" and find new standards, at least in places like this forum. Because it's not only in depth discussion, you can't really discuss the thing at all if
They're still reveals, and the marketing itself goes to great lengths to hide them, so we should still treat them as spoilers early on, but imagine talking about this series as a whole when, say, they announce a third game, if we can't even discuss these elements of Part II? It's ridiculous, discussion becomes shallow praise or criticism on extremely generic terms.
It's especially baffling when, at the end of the day, it's a pretty standard revenge plot with all of the story beats you'd expect from it if you ever watched or read a revenge story. Not unlike the first game, actually.
Imagine having to spoiler tag today that Ellie is immune. She's immune, the story doesn't even start before that reveal, hell, it doesn't quite start until a little while after it, either. It's the events of the Capitol Building that really puts things in motion, and gives you your first longer term goal that will obviously have emotional repercussions to the main character.
Most of the time things get spoiled, on purpose or not, it's basically just "so that thing happens, huh?". There's not any meaningful commentary being added on top of it. Just saying what happens isn't "discussion".
That being said, I find myself caring less and less about spoilers as time goes on, so I'm definitely on the camp that says "spoilerphobes are even more annoying" at the moment.
I also feel like The Last of Us Part II will force us to think about "spoiler culture" and find new standards, at least in places like this forum. Because it's not only in depth discussion, you can't really discuss the thing at all if
the inciting incident of the script is forbidden grounds, or even the game's structure and playable characters.
They're still reveals, and the marketing itself goes to great lengths to hide them, so we should still treat them as spoilers early on, but imagine talking about this series as a whole when, say, they announce a third game, if we can't even discuss these elements of Part II? It's ridiculous, discussion becomes shallow praise or criticism on extremely generic terms.
It's especially baffling when, at the end of the day, it's a pretty standard revenge plot with all of the story beats you'd expect from it if you ever watched or read a revenge story. Not unlike the first game, actually.
Imagine having to spoiler tag today that Ellie is immune. She's immune, the story doesn't even start before that reveal, hell, it doesn't quite start until a little while after it, either. It's the events of the Capitol Building that really puts things in motion, and gives you your first longer term goal that will obviously have emotional repercussions to the main character.
My enjoyment of TLoU2 was massively centred around the reveals. I went in with almost 100% blackout of the plot, had certain aspects been spoilt they wouldn't have had anywhere near the same impact on me.
I really do think the experience would have been many times lesser had I known certain plot points before I played.
I really do think the experience would have been many times lesser had I known certain plot points before I played.
Fool me once ...
but being serious, that's extremely obnoxious. Sorry that happened.
This is why I asked specifically about anything in which the surprise is what it was built around. Wouldn't that explicitly defeat the purpose?
Let's say you're throwing a surprise party for someone. The surprise is crucial to the point. If this person were told prior by someone privy to the surprise, the effect would be lost, and potentially ruined.
In the inverse, let's suppose someone was throwing a surprise party for you. While you may not have any substantial reaction to it were you notified in advance, the planners would probably be unhappy that the surprise had been spoiled.
This shit. This shit right here is what I'm talking about. Arbitrating fucking interest levels.
Jesus H.
It feels like it's worse than ever lately. It's gotten to the point I just expect to get spoiled on major games being released. I was doing so good with The Last Of Us Part II until my fifth stream with the game this week. I tried my best to take precautionary measures. I had follower and sub only chat both turned on (something that I hate to do). I blocked dozens of terms in chat including every character's name and any forced misspelling of that name I could think of. I turned off all on screen alerts. Turns out blocked terms won't work on follower names and I forgot to turn off in chat notifications of follows. Two people that must have been working together to spoil the game came in and followed one after the other. They created user names on Twitch that had spoilers built into the name. The two follower names put together spoiled major things about the end of the game. All I could do is ban them and then move on like nothing happened. I try my best not to give trolls any satisfaction. But yea, it sucks.
I should have been more specific and mentioned media; film, books, games etc. Not any surprise experience like a "knock knock" joke, or a party, or your car engine randomly cutting out. So I don't find those analogous.
Yep. Everyone can't binge watch a whole season in a day, and media is released sometimes a week or more later outside US (which isn't the whole world, people). It's just a selfish and lazy attitude to not "be able"* withhold revealing spoilers to others. It's a common courtesy, and you can speak about them perfectly well without revealing too much. Be it atmosphere, filmography, music, gameplay, or what you thought about it in general. None of that requires revealing story details.
EDIT: Correction. damn mobile.
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I reeeeally like being condescendingly told that:
1) I actually like getting spoiled but just don't know it.
2) Any pushback against spoilers is a corporate scheme and I'm just a patsy for falling for it.
God forbid someone actually might not like being spoiled on shit.
1) I actually like getting spoiled but just don't know it.
2) Any pushback against spoilers is a corporate scheme and I'm just a patsy for falling for it.
God forbid someone actually might not like being spoiled on shit.
Man get some therapy. It sounds like you have some issues to work out.
I mean do you know how arrogant you sound when you say "spoilers aren't real"?
I just got spoiled on TLOU2 by reading Laura Bailey's tweet (she did a bad job at censoring some words).
As arrogant as I sound when I say the sky is blue, probably.
I don't understand your anger. I'm not saying everyone should talk about shit willy nilly, with no respect for their fellow human beings. OBVIOUSLY, always be considerate. I'm just saying that a spoiler, as you call it, should not ruin things for you. Just accept it as a minor hiccup in the grand scheme of things and move on with your life. No one was hurt. There's virtually unlimited works out there. You're not going to be happy if you let a spoiler upset you everytime it happens.
The guy the op describes is obviously a fuckweed, if that helps you at all.
While I never spoil things, spoilers really shouldn't ruin your viewing/playing experience unless the media you enjoy is disposable and unworthy of critical discussion.
That marketing for The Last of Us 2 takes spoilers so seriously really shows the limits of this medium's supposed maturation. It wants to be kino but can't help acting like Marvel.
That marketing for The Last of Us 2 takes spoilers so seriously really shows the limits of this medium's supposed maturation. It wants to be kino but can't help acting like Marvel.
Certain spoilers WILL ruin something for me, because certain plot points and reveals being seen without them are crucial to the impact they were intended to have.
There is no "should" here, aside from the fact you should be able to understand where people are coming from. Your call for people to just "move on" is pretty condescending...
It's cool if it doesn't affect you, but it really is not hard to understand.
I mean, it sounds like your priorities are fucked. Move on is the appropriate phrase.
It isn't hurting anyone.
More condescending nonsense then?
No one is saying it ruined their lives, you're the one who really needs some perspective here lol.
Hmmmm. Why do you say that? My perspective is pretty straightforward. Don't be a dick and talk about endings or twists or whatever with no consideration. But also don't get upset if something happens on accident, it ain't gonna kill you to know some random thing.
Conversations about spoiling things for people always confuse me because you literally lose NOTHING if you don't spoil a thing for somebody.
I find myself caring less and less if I get spoiled or not so I guess I'd be put into of the camp of, "I really don't care. Just tell me."
That said, be mindful of people and ask them if it is okay to tell them. It isn't that hard.
That said, be mindful of people and ask them if it is okay to tell them. It isn't that hard.
Read those posts back and have a think, Twig, I'm not saying what I am for no reason.
Right?
It takes seconds to consider and not do, very minimal effort, I really don't understand.
see, this is kind of what I mean in my posts on page one. I know the tweet you're talking about, and the only way you spoiled yourself on this would be by zooming in on that photo and looking at the little bits of the words that weren't blacked out. You 100% did that to yourself lol. Don't jump into a pool so you can complain that your clothes are wet
I can't tell if you're joking? There are tons of films I've seen without knowing a single thing about them beforehand. For instance, when I sat in the theater to watch Parasite I didn't even know what genre it was. And it was a much better experience for it.
There are many reasons to watch/play/read something without needing to get into the details: the author, the director, recommendations from friends, the general tone you perceive from others ("it's gritty", "it was deam-like"), and many more.
I guess all you spoiler people don't also have things you avoid. I'm definitely going to read a detailed summary before even looking at something called "Parasite." I'm just not that trusting.
Here's a recommendation for you: Mainland China Drama, Joy of Life. It's my favorite show. What should I say about it? "It's my favorite show. I like it better than other shows."
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A surprise intended to surprise is still a surprise. I don't think what form it takes really matters.
The willful spoilers who get theirs kicks out of taking away enjoyment from others should most certainly seek therapy.
Maybe on a phone, but it is pretty obvious which letter she didn't block in the second message and the name isn't that long. I didn't even had to open the image she posted.
the form (medium) is everything, we're obviously just talking over each other now
You really shouldn't spoil things because that's just a dick move. It's you trying to one up people. Don't be that person.
But also you shouldn't be a complete spoilerphobe because the experience is not tarnished just because you know what will happen. A good story is a good story, and if a spoiler can take the enjoyment out of the story then I would question if the story is actually good. Hearing about it and actually experiencing the journey are 2 wildly different things. Hearing about the end of Toy Story 3 will not remove (or give) the emotion I will feel when I actually watch it.
I haven't seen Parasite and I have avoided spoilers (because people say to), but reading them now won't ruin the movie for me. Why should it?
Why do people rewatch/reread/replay media?
But also you shouldn't be a complete spoilerphobe because the experience is not tarnished just because you know what will happen. A good story is a good story, and if a spoiler can take the enjoyment out of the story then I would question if the story is actually good. Hearing about it and actually experiencing the journey are 2 wildly different things. Hearing about the end of Toy Story 3 will not remove (or give) the emotion I will feel when I actually watch it.
I haven't seen Parasite and I have avoided spoilers (because people say to), but reading them now won't ruin the movie for me. Why should it?
Why do people rewatch/reread/replay media?
The only spoilers i hate people complaining about are "press conference/game announcement spoilers" like advertisements and PR isn't a spoiler.
Real question, has anyone bothered to talk to this dude? Like just tell him to be more mindful of spoilers and maybe think before he reveals something?
Though I still think those who spoil purposefully and will ill-intent worse, this group of people can be tedious and aggravating. I have several friends like this and it's like walking on fucking eggshells talking about stuff they haven't played, but are interested in. I was yelled at for saying there was no national dex in Pokemon Sun and Moon, something that, I guess, has, "always been a major reveal in the game".
I remember an underclassman of a couple years was speaking to me all excited. I was in the last year of highschool at the time, he was in the second.
We read of mice and men in grade 9 over here, solid book with an ending that builds up throughout.
This dude comes up to me, all giddy, and goes "Hey, I just went to a bunch of new grade 9s, saw they were reading mice and men, and said:
And he was telling me like I'd be proud of him or something. Like great job, you made reading, something numerous high schoolers have trouble sticking with, even worse. Hope you're happy.
We read of mice and men in grade 9 over here, solid book with an ending that builds up throughout.
This dude comes up to me, all giddy, and goes "Hey, I just went to a bunch of new grade 9s, saw they were reading mice and men, and said:
I'm not gonna tell you guys anything. All I'll say is that the book ends with George, Lenny, and a gun.
And he was telling me like I'd be proud of him or something. Like great job, you made reading, something numerous high schoolers have trouble sticking with, even worse. Hope you're happy.
It's essentially sadism, as they get a kick out of making others miserable. Not to mention, that they had the chance to experience the story without spoilers, yet they don't want to allow others the same thrill. I bet many of them wouldn't take it lightly, if something important to them was spoiled willfully.
I don't massively care about spoilers in general, I also don't spoil things for people. I would just encourage everyone who is super spoiler averse to not give up on the actual experience of it. If the unfortunate happens, maybe you can take it as an opportunity to approach the material from a different perspective. Look out for details, concentrate on how well it is set up. It's certainly a different experience than the intended surprise would be, but it doesn't have to be a worse one. If the material is good there's a good chance you can still be invested in it and enjoy it for its craft. I just see way too many takes that being spoiled means the experience is now utterly pointless and in a world where getting spoiled can happen... I don't know if that's the most healthy attitude. It certainly can't hurt to try keeping an open mind and approaching something negative with a positive attitude.
Good word of mouth, genre, production teams behind previous things I've seen/played are making it, people/actors involved that I respect or enjoy. There are many factors outside of plot that can inspire and entice me to watch things.
It's so crazy to me that this is a thread. If you want to talk about a game in a way that might contain spoilers, make a thread with spoilers in the name and go to town. You probably won't need to though because there's probably already one. If you want to discuss something in a different thread because it's relevant but it might spoil someone, spoil tag it with a brief description.
I just don't understand how any of that is difficult enough that people have to be contrarian about it and talk like it's such a huge hassle to avoid spoiling others.
And obviously age of the media has absolutely nothing to do with it. Exceptions for plot points that become cultural touchstones like FF7 or what have you. No reason to not take 2 seconds not to spoil someone on Kotor just because you've had two decades to play it, spoiler alert: some people were not born when you were born.
I just don't understand how any of that is difficult enough that people have to be contrarian about it and talk like it's such a huge hassle to avoid spoiling others.
And obviously age of the media has absolutely nothing to do with it. Exceptions for plot points that become cultural touchstones like FF7 or what have you. No reason to not take 2 seconds not to spoil someone on Kotor just because you've had two decades to play it, spoiler alert: some people were not born when you were born.
There are loads of things you can get into before you start talking about minutiae of plot. "I liked this show because the pacing was extremely on point, the characters were very well realized, the music was deliciously ominous"... and so on and so forth. I just don't subscribe to your approach at all. The one time where I think your approach really applies is if you have triggers that are absolute non starters. For some of my friends, having subject matter of harsh violence against women is a trigger and they would like to know that before starting an experience somewhere.
But yes, if you were a good friend of mine and you said "you should watch this. I think you'd like it. It's one of my favorite shows"... then yeah I'd highly consider watching it. That's one of the best parts of having friends or other people's views on media around you - it makes for easy curation, especially if you often have overlap in taste. Stuff I play/watch/read is often from the recommendations from friends, and very often I'm going in blind.
The concept of spoilers does not exist in many ppl minds. When i was a kid, me and my friends all shared with eachother the best movie parts even if others didnt saw the movie, it was a way to make them go see the movie cuz it had all this cool things on it. Today those things would be considered spoilers.
I have a friend who will casually spoil things in the most frustrating roundabout way. It's frustrating precisely because I know he's not trying to spoil it, but has this innate talent for saying things that lead you to draw a conclusion that's inevitably a spoiler.
Recently, with TLOU2 I got roped into some spat between him (Friend A) and another mutual friend (Friend B) on Facebook, which I didn't see since I'm not on the platform. Friend B is complaining about a joke that's made during incidental dialogue between Ellie and one of her friends during the game and includes a link to the moment. I don't click the link in the screenshot of the complaint that Friend A sends me, and just sorta say "What's the joke in the video link?" since I'm also a little wary of spoilers.
Instead of summarizing it, he re-sends the link as text, I click on the link, and the video includes dialogue that
So, great, that aspect is now spoiled. Or in movies, he won't necessarily say "X character dies," but things that would lead you to correctly assume they die.
Funny enough, with TLoU2, I never had fears about the internet or Era spoiling it for me. My fear was this specific friend indirectly spoiling some aspect of it, which is precisely what happened. Aaaaand that's now why I'm playing the game much earlier than I planned to. :\
Recently, with TLOU2 I got roped into some spat between him (Friend A) and another mutual friend (Friend B) on Facebook, which I didn't see since I'm not on the platform. Friend B is complaining about a joke that's made during incidental dialogue between Ellie and one of her friends during the game and includes a link to the moment. I don't click the link in the screenshot of the complaint that Friend A sends me, and just sorta say "What's the joke in the video link?" since I'm also a little wary of spoilers.
Instead of summarizing it, he re-sends the link as text, I click on the link, and the video includes dialogue that
refers to Joel in the past tense, clearly suggesting that he's died in the game. I now know this happens fairly on in the game, but still.
Funny enough, with TLoU2, I never had fears about the internet or Era spoiling it for me. My fear was this specific friend indirectly spoiling some aspect of it, which is precisely what happened. Aaaaand that's now why I'm playing the game much earlier than I planned to. :\
I took my 2 sons to Endgame and as walking in the theater my older told younger Ironman dies at the end. I was livid with him. I guess one of his friends spoiled it for him so now he was doing same to lil bro. I had already seen it. I wanted to take him home and just take his brother but we were meeting my buddy and there wasn't time. I ended up taking videogames away from him for 2 weeks as his punishment. Thinking back, should have been longer.
there's a lot you can say about a game or series that doesn't actually qualify as proper spoilers that folks would mind. like for example you can talk about everything surrounding a game or the trappings it follows without ever delving into the plot itself
i made this whole post recommending an unfinished game to folks here and dozens were instantly convinced despite that i only showed a couple of vague pictures and overview of the kind of elements it had, mostly just aiming at selling its quality.