Tbf, she saw him and asked if he was with someone or knew someone at the game.
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Ok ERA where do you fall on the rights of Photographers? Hillary Duff calls Photographer creep for shooting Childs soccer game.
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Tbf, she saw him and asked if he was with someone or knew someone at the game.
I think we've reached the natural conclusion of #DuffGate / #PaparrazoGate and that compromise between both sides is necessary:
Hillary Duff is an entitled racist, and should be charged with cyber-bullying and encouraging the inevitable suicide of a confirmed pedophilic paparazzi selling photos of children to internet child-sex rings.
Hillary Duff is an entitled racist, and should be charged with cyber-bullying and encouraging the inevitable suicide of a confirmed pedophilic paparazzi selling photos of children to internet child-sex rings.
I would definitely take issue with anyone taking photos of my kids. We don't let our kids school use photos of our children on the school website etc
If some random was taking photos of my kids and refused to stop, I would confiscate their camera /phone and deal with any consequences.
If some random was taking photos of my kids and refused to stop, I would confiscate their camera /phone and deal with any consequences.
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Becoming a parent is the slow decline into voting for Trump. Starts with saying things like "I don't care if it's legal it's not right", ends with voting in a fascist because "he tells it like it is."
Well presumably she'd know the other parents of children on her own child's team. Plus her very first question was asking him if he was with anyone.
Are you kidding me? Wanting strangers not to take photos of your kids is a slippery slope to voting for Trump?
Depends on what he is doing. If he just focuses on one specific kid or so, yeah.
And if that is the kid of Hillary Duff, I would get it.
Elsewise, it's a kid's soccer game. I don't think that is a creepy motive or something a pedophile would take pictures of.
It sure is a bit weird but the guy offered his ID.
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No photographer is letting you take a $2,000 camera from them. Not with out getting a tripod to the side of your head or your kneecaps probably. Like you just stole something man 😂
You can't just take things that's called theft and yes the cops probably won't give the photographer a hard time for beating you to get their equipment back.
Don't shoot photos of people's kids. Triply so if parents ask you to chill.
This is some of the dumbest shit I've read on this website.
This is some of the dumbest shit I've read on this website.
They're not taking a photograph of you kid, they're recording public life.
Like I said, becoming a parent is the start of thinking the world revolves around you and your kin, and every action made by others is in some way directed at them. See Trump supporters.
It's 100% directed at those kids. He's standing 30 feet away from them with a zoom lens. This is not strangers appearing in stock footage for the news. I'm not a parent, but I teach kindergarten and I have to deal with people jUsT tAkInG pHoToS every day. The kids absolutely are uncomfortable with it and so are their parents.
This is the biggest reach I've witnessed in my 38 years on this planet.
They're in public. Is it smart to get consent from the parents? Sure. But there's nothing creepy about photographing something in public. It's not like he's taking up-skirts, sporting events make for great photo shoots for a lot of reasons.
Saying "I don't care if it's legal, it's not right" isn't new and it isn't specific to parents. People have been saying that about things like being able to legally own and walk around with an assault rifle strapped to you, super young ages of consent in some countries, drugs that have absolutely no right being available for legal purchase etc.
Like, what does this post even mean? Not wanting a stranger to take pictures of your kids means you're on the path to becoming a fascist?
What a bunch of nonsense. Being a parent often makes people think about the future ensuring their kids also have a future as well.
20 year olds aren't some miraculous demographic that are more enlightened than their future selves.
There's plenty of adult sporting events to take pictures of which wouldn't have raised these sort of questions in the first place. "It's public and it's legal" doesn't reassure any parent that the stranger taking pictures of their children is doing so with good intentions.
I would not want someone I didn't know taking pictures of my kids unsolicited full stop.
Fucking especially in today's social media driven world, nah nah nah nah, getting uncomfortable just thinking about it.
Fucking especially in today's social media driven world, nah nah nah nah, getting uncomfortable just thinking about it.
In most states, the threshold for felony theft is between $500-$1000 which is easily below the cost of most DSLR/Telephoto combos.
Not advisable unless you want to become an easily convicted felon over your failure to control your petulant impulses.
Making a massive reach and acting as if it's a fact is the start of becoming a Trump supporter. See how that works.
I would take issue with people I don't know photographing my child, and I would ask them to stop. If they refused to stop, then yes I would find that somewhat disturbing.
That said, my recourse in that hypothetical is to simply leave the area, because what they're doing isn't illegal and I don't get to demand the world accede to my specific parental concerns.
That said, my recourse in that hypothetical is to simply leave the area, because what they're doing isn't illegal and I don't get to demand the world accede to my specific parental concerns.
yeah, his setup is worth about 3500
also the mere act of physically taking it from their person is battery.
I don't think I've ever encountered a post on this site so completely bereft of logic or intelligence.
This wouldn't happen.
I have got rid of photographers before. Most people have the common sense to stop if they are asked to. There aren't many photographers who want to stand and bang for the right to take photos of other people's kids. If you tell someone you will take their camera they will just leave.
even if she's right that its just not cool to take pictures of the kids, FUCK HER for posting this shit on her instagram for her 16 million fans to go after the guy
she's 10000% in the wrong here
she's 10000% in the wrong here
Hilary Duff: Who are you here with? Who are you here with?
Unknown Photographer: I'm here with me.
HD: With you?
UP: Yeah?
HD: Do you know any people on the team?
UP: No.
HD: Oh, can you stop taking pictures of the kids please.
*photographer unleashes his THE-LAW-IS-ON-MY-SIDE POWER card*
UP: It's legal. (This will always be a creepy response, much in the same way an adult saying "It's legal" in response to someone questioning their sexual relationship with a teenager) (Also, it's possible to be creepy without also being a predator, but responding to a parent asking "Can you, a stranger, please stop taking pictures of my child." with "It is perfectly legal that I, a stranger, take pictures of your child, so I will continue to do so despite you having a problem with it." might not make you a predator, but it does make you are arsehole.)
HD: It's, it's making me feel really uncomfortable.
UP: Well you shouldn't feel uncomfortable. You want me to show you ID? (a racist would LOVE to see his ID because they get off on having power over those they deem "lesser". She's not interested. She just wants him to stop.) (Also, I don't think an actual predator would offer up ID, they're more likely to leave as soon as you approach them.)
HD: I'm not asking for your ID, I'm asking you to stop taking pictures of our 7 year old children if you don't know anyone that's here.
UP: But, it's legal. It's not against the law. (She never disputes this.)
HD: I'm asking you, human to human, as a mother, if you don't know anyone here can you please stop talking pictures of our children playing football.
UP: But I'm just telling you, it's not illegal. (Again, she never disputes this, but it's the only argument he has.)
HD: That's okay, that you're saying...
UP: Well, I'm, I'm taking pictures of, practicing photography, and I'm...
HD: Can you practice it on another, on another...
UP: I'm not here to scare you or anything like that..
HD: But you are... (scaring her, because you are a stranger taking photos of her kids. Her fear may not be warranted but it is real, and as a celebrity* this isn't her first run in with strangers taking unwanted photos of her.)
UP: Your paranoia is unwarranted, that's what I'm telling you. (On one hand he's right, people get unreasonably paranoid when it comes to male strangers and kids. On the other, he's a stranger who's refusing to stop taking photos of her child despite her asking politely (but angrily) to "stop taking picture of the kids please".)
HD: No, it's just an uncomfortability factor that these are 7 year old children and you don't have a child here.
UP: What's that got to do with anything? (What's that got to do with anything? That's the entire issue!)
HD: Well, there are children and we would like to protect them so if you could take pictures and practice your photography somewhere else...
UP: Well, you, me taking pictures ??? is not, what about other people?
*Celebrity unleashes her DO-YOU-KNOW-WHO-I-AM POWER card*
HD: Well I will just post this to my 15 million followers on Instagram and let people know how creepy it is that this is what you choose to do on your Saturday morning. (Prior to this nothing she said was unreasonable. He was doing a thing and she asked him to stop doing a thing. His refusing to stop led her to make a bad call, but it doesn't negate everything else she said.)
*Attacking her celebrity status isn't the gotcha that people seem to think it is. It just makes you a dick.
Also, WTF at people thinking this wouldn't be an issue if he was white? People routinely freak out about men they don't know even being in the vicinity of children, regardless of colour.
Ultimately, I don't think he was a predator, and I don't think she did anything wrong asking him to stop. I feel like if you are photographing strangers and their children, and they are uncomfortable with that and ask you to please stop, the only reasonable response is to stop. Why is that a hill you want to die on?
Unknown Photographer: I'm here with me.
HD: With you?
UP: Yeah?
HD: Do you know any people on the team?
UP: No.
HD: Oh, can you stop taking pictures of the kids please.
*photographer unleashes his THE-LAW-IS-ON-MY-SIDE POWER card*
UP: It's legal. (This will always be a creepy response, much in the same way an adult saying "It's legal" in response to someone questioning their sexual relationship with a teenager) (Also, it's possible to be creepy without also being a predator, but responding to a parent asking "Can you, a stranger, please stop taking pictures of my child." with "It is perfectly legal that I, a stranger, take pictures of your child, so I will continue to do so despite you having a problem with it." might not make you a predator, but it does make you are arsehole.)
HD: It's, it's making me feel really uncomfortable.
UP: Well you shouldn't feel uncomfortable. You want me to show you ID? (a racist would LOVE to see his ID because they get off on having power over those they deem "lesser". She's not interested. She just wants him to stop.) (Also, I don't think an actual predator would offer up ID, they're more likely to leave as soon as you approach them.)
HD: I'm not asking for your ID, I'm asking you to stop taking pictures of our 7 year old children if you don't know anyone that's here.
UP: But, it's legal. It's not against the law. (She never disputes this.)
HD: I'm asking you, human to human, as a mother, if you don't know anyone here can you please stop talking pictures of our children playing football.
UP: But I'm just telling you, it's not illegal. (Again, she never disputes this, but it's the only argument he has.)
HD: That's okay, that you're saying...
UP: Well, I'm, I'm taking pictures of, practicing photography, and I'm...
HD: Can you practice it on another, on another...
UP: I'm not here to scare you or anything like that..
HD: But you are... (scaring her, because you are a stranger taking photos of her kids. Her fear may not be warranted but it is real, and as a celebrity* this isn't her first run in with strangers taking unwanted photos of her.)
UP: Your paranoia is unwarranted, that's what I'm telling you. (On one hand he's right, people get unreasonably paranoid when it comes to male strangers and kids. On the other, he's a stranger who's refusing to stop taking photos of her child despite her asking politely (but angrily) to "stop taking picture of the kids please".)
HD: No, it's just an uncomfortability factor that these are 7 year old children and you don't have a child here.
UP: What's that got to do with anything? (What's that got to do with anything? That's the entire issue!)
HD: Well, there are children and we would like to protect them so if you could take pictures and practice your photography somewhere else...
UP: Well, you, me taking pictures ??? is not, what about other people?
*Celebrity unleashes her DO-YOU-KNOW-WHO-I-AM POWER card*
HD: Well I will just post this to my 15 million followers on Instagram and let people know how creepy it is that this is what you choose to do on your Saturday morning. (Prior to this nothing she said was unreasonable. He was doing a thing and she asked him to stop doing a thing. His refusing to stop led her to make a bad call, but it doesn't negate everything else she said.)
*Attacking her celebrity status isn't the gotcha that people seem to think it is. It just makes you a dick.
Also, WTF at people thinking this wouldn't be an issue if he was white? People routinely freak out about men they don't know even being in the vicinity of children, regardless of colour.
Ultimately, I don't think he was a predator, and I don't think she did anything wrong asking him to stop. I feel like if you are photographing strangers and their children, and they are uncomfortable with that and ask you to please stop, the only reasonable response is to stop. Why is that a hill you want to die on?
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"The worst thing about being mistaken for a pervert with a camera, is people not believing it happens to us white guys too!" the thread.
To be fair as a white dad who has experienced this sort of attitude from other parents, it is incredibly frustrating and aggravating to see so many posters saying "this wouldn't have happened if he was white".
i'm aware that its a gross abuse of her power in this situation, yes
Its like people forget about all the stories of dads taking their kids out without mom and getting harrased for being pedos.
No, as I said it wouldn't even come to that. The 2 or 3 times I have spoken to photographers, they just stopped.
That's exactly what she did:
Oh, can you stop taking pictures of the kids please.
it's making me feel really uncomfortable.
I'm not asking for your ID, I'm asking you to stop taking pictures of our 7 year old children if you don't know anyone that's here.
I'm asking you, human to human, as a mother, if you don't know anyone here can you please stop talking pictures of our children playing football.
Can you practice it on another, on another...
No, it's just an uncomfortability factor that these are 7 year old children and you don't have a child here.
Well, there are children and we would like to protect them so if you could take pictures and practice your photography somewhere else...
She repeatedly asks him to stop. It's only after he refuses, having said it's legal three times despite her never arguing otherwise, that she does the dumb thing and uses her social media following as a weapon. If he had immediately stopped and left she never would have uploaded the video. She didn't "attempt to get him shamed by their large internet following right off the bat ".
Taking pictures of kids that aren't yours without consent is creepy, that also needs to be said.
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"it's legal" in regards to children will never not be creepy
Definitely a tough call, but I kind of liked her saying that she knows it's not illegal and is asking him as a favor, person to person. It's not like she ran up to him and said to leave or she's calling the cops. Then she went all vengeful and it got weird.
Fully agree.
I'm not saying her broadcasting him to millions of people was okay, or that what he was doing was illegal. And it is quite likely her confronting him the way she did was racially motivated, nobody can dispute that.
But if a parent asks you to stop taking pictures of their child, just comply. Can't pretend that guy wasn't wrong.
The correct move is to leave. It sucks but I'm not catching an assault charge cause some weirdo is doing weirdo shit in public.
I just think some folks give no shits. This dude gives no shits going around taking pics of kids that parents don't want him to. She give no shits and tries to go the vengeful route.
I think the lesson for both parties needs to be: Learn when to pack it up and walk away.
Issue here is the context, was he there to take pictures of kids, or "stopping the movements of little humans interacting in a kinetic environment in an aesthetically pleasing manner". I've photographed a kid twirling around a toy that lit up and his eyes immediately lit up. His mom just smiled at me.
But I'm not a big black man, so...
I do think there's a bit implied accusation in the act of having your camera phone out recording the interaction, which is why I think is partly why the photographer goes defensive with the 'its legal' response.
Well that's the thing...Doing shit that's legal but not cool cuts both ways in this case. Now maybe dude can understand just saying "It's legal" ain't always gonna hold up lol. It's like someone sticking their finger in tour face and saying "But I'm not touching you!"
This is the adult version of petty childishness taken to its natural conclusion. I just think in all this a child shouldn't be photographed without their and/or their parent/guardians consent.
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