Ok ERA where do you fall on the rights of Photographers? Hillary Duff calls Photographer creep for shooting Childs soccer game.

TheGhost · Feb 25, 2020

Hillary Duff calls Photographer a creep for shooting Childs game.

As a photographer myself, I shoot whatever the hell I want, sure 2 out of a 1000 times I was asked not to use a picture and I respected their wishes.

Hell I know people who make a living on the weekend just shooting games and selling pictures to the parents.

But I think what she did here was uncalled for. But that's just me.

nsilvias · Feb 25, 2020

its because hes black.

if it was a cute white dude i doubt she would have reacted the way she did. people dont care what you do when your attractive.

Yams · Feb 25, 2020

If its in public it's in public

as long as you're not a coward using a long lens to get creepy candid pics

MonstaZero · Feb 25, 2020

As soon as I saw the old brotha. It answered all my questions. Fantastic how life works

Akira86 · Feb 25, 2020

How is your name not Karen?

:lol

TheGhost · Feb 25, 2020

nsilvias said:
its because hes black.

if it was a cute white dude i doubt she would have reacted the way she did. people dont care what you do when your attractive.

I think the same thing honestly. If it was some white guy she would never have looked twice.

He knows his rights she doesn't. End of story.

Admiral Woofington · Feb 25, 2020

Hillary Duff channeling her best "Look I would ask this to anybody you just HAPPEN to be black by pure coincidence"

Cipherr · Feb 25, 2020

I saw this elsewhere. My dude was .... like extremely calm explaining himself. "Your paranoia is unwarranted". I would say my only issue here is photographing in public but wanting to cover her camera when she turns hers on you. If you are filming people publicly and saying the law backs you, then at least afford others the same.

But at the same time, I saw that he did that AFTER she threateningly tells him she's going to show this to her "15 million followers" /rolleyes. Which is basically "I'm going to sick my fans on you" in about as blatant a manner as possible. That after he was respectful in the confrontation.

Deleted member 18944 · Feb 25, 2020

"do you want me to show you ID?"

I love this response.

TheGhost · Feb 25, 2020

Hobbes said:
"do you want me to show you ID?"

I love this response.

It's funny until it's not. It's sad

Syriel · Feb 25, 2020

ITT I learned that Hillary Duff is racist.

Akira86 · Feb 25, 2020

@hilaryduff GOOD FOR U! This makes me soooooo mad! I thought that @jennifer.garner @halleberry & others helped get the law changed in CA where what that creep did *IS* illegal?! Did i get that wrong? Good for u mama bear! Sending u and your beautiful family oodles of love and light! Kids should be protected.

:lol

she's just a mama bear protecting her cubs
it's some coincidence this is the dark man that always in the background when children disappear.
he'll pull out his ID and it says John Q. Candyman, III.

vatstep · Feb 25, 2020

When she said "I'll post this for my 15 million followers" – gross. She could've done what she did without saying that OR posting it at all.

Also, this lady's comment especially irked me: "This guy is a creep and maybe worse. Has nothing to do with being a public figure. He's immoral and unethical and Ms. Duff acted like any caring parent would - and should - act."

Hmm I wonder why she thinks that...

Einchy · Feb 25, 2020

Paparazzi? Fuck 'em.

This dude? He wasn't doing anything wrong.

She was just on a self righteous kick right here and didn't care if she made this guy, who was doing nothing wrong, seem like a pedophile to her 14.6 million followers. That's fucked.

Deleted member 1190 · Feb 25, 2020

You guys really don't find it creepy that he's out there taking pictures of a kids soccer game when he doesn't have a kid playing in it?

Deleted member 31817 · Feb 25, 2020

Einchy said:
Paparazzi? Fuck 'em.

This dude? He wasn't doing anything wrong.

Yup

Hero_of_the_Day · Feb 25, 2020

Einchy said:
Paparazzi? Fuck 'em.

This dude? He wasn't doing anything wrong.

This.

Ramala · Feb 25, 2020

She may not be racist. She must just be super-entitled.

TheGhost · Feb 25, 2020

vatstep said:
When she said "I'll post this for my 15 million followers" – gross. She could've done what she did without saying that OR posting it at all.

Also, this lady's comment especially irked me: "This guy is a creep and maybe worse. Has nothing to do with being a public figure. He's immoral and unethical and Ms. Duff acted like any caring parent would - and should - act."

Hmm I wonder why she thinks that...

I'm surprised some guy didn't try to get tough and threaten to beat the guy up.

End of the day he would be in jail and the photographer would still be shooting.

Plus I'm pretty sure he is shooting the new mirrorless and I'm pretty jealous.

SolidSnakex · Feb 25, 2020

Given that they're just children, I think it'd make sense to at least ask the parents if they're okay with him photographing them. I don't fault any parent for not liking the idea of a stranger photographing their kids.

RadzPrower · Feb 25, 2020

On the title of this thread alone, I agreed with her, especially considering who and where she is. If some person who I didn't know was taking pictures of my kids' games, I'd be a little weirded out. If I had to deal with paparazzi, especially from a young age like her, I'd be pretty pissed personally.

MonstaZero · Feb 25, 2020

Skab said:
You guys really don't find it creepy that he's out there taking pictures of a kids soccer game when he doesn't have a kid playing in it?

Is this victim blaming?

Akira86 · Feb 25, 2020

Skab said:
You guys really don't find it creepy that he's out there taking pictures of a kids soccer game when he doesn't have a kid playing in it?

so you think every photographer everywhere is somehow related to the people they take snaps of?

i know as soon as he saw her camera out and heard her go "um, excuse me, who are you with?!" he knew he was in for a swell time

Jedi2016 · Feb 25, 2020

Skab said:
You guys really don't find it creepy that he's out there taking pictures of a kids soccer game when he doesn't have a kid playing in it?

Photographers tend to get paid for gigs like this. Sites will buy up pictures from local photographers and then offer them for sale so all those parents can have cool action shots of Little Johnny that their iPhones can't capture.

TheGhost · Feb 25, 2020

Skab said:
You guys really don't find it creepy that he's out there taking pictures of a kids soccer game when he doesn't have a kid playing in it?

If you look on IG there are probaby hundreds of thousands of pictures of people (kids included) with pictures taken with out their permission. I do that shit all the time at sunset. Adds to the picture.

RadzPrower · Feb 25, 2020

Akira86 said:
so you think every photographer everywhere is somehow related to the people they take snaps of?

If not related, they should at least be affiliated with the team or grounds. I think it's weird and rude for anybody to be taking pictures of someone without some level of concent. Yeah, it's your job/hobby, but the least you can do is have a little courtesy and get permission.

Powdered Egg · Feb 25, 2020

It's a " they are both right, whaddya gonna do?" situation.

No one in public has a reasonable expectation of privacy from being photographed. At the same time it's annoying having your kids photographed by the public, especially knowing there's always a chance the person with the camera is a perv.

I've started taking a photo back of anyone that photos my kids.

Akira86 · Feb 25, 2020

RadzPrower said:
If not related, they should at least be affiliated with the team or grounds. I think it's weird and rude for anybody to be taking pictures of someone without some level of concent. Yeah, it's your job/hobby, but the least you can do is have a little courtesy and get permission.

thats not how this works thatsnothowanyofthisworks

if you ever played kiddie sport, often it happens in public spaces, there are no formal "organized teams" and hardly any formal "grounds". you just paid 75 bucks to rent a jersey for your child and give them the privilege to play on a ball team in a community park.

Finaika · Feb 25, 2020

nsilvias said:
its because hes black.

if it was a cute white dude i doubt she would have reacted the way she did. people dont care what you do when your attractive.

What if he was a cute black dude?

PaulloDEC · Feb 25, 2020

It's a tough one. I'd probably avoid taking pictures of kids (or even near kids) if I were practicing photography, simply because I know that how innocent the activity is matters less than how innocent it looks.

The guy is obviously within his rights, but it's dangerous territory.

Z-Beat · Feb 25, 2020

"[T]he police were, you know, pretty dismissive of me, saying, 'What do you want us to do? You're at a public park,'"

lol, pretty much

That said, everything's creepier with a long camera lens

I swear if I have to add /s at the end of that...

Powdered Egg · Feb 25, 2020

Also, his race made it obvious he didn't have a kid on the field. He would have been left alone if he was a white dude.

RadzPrower · Feb 25, 2020

Akira86 said:
thats not how this works thatsnothowanyofthisworks

I never said it was illegal. It's fucking rude. Your an entitled ass to think otherwise. Some people don't want their image plastered all over the internet, or worse, some strangers fucking wall.

It's a damned invasion of privacy regardless of what the law says.

Akira86 · Feb 25, 2020

RadzPrower said:
I never said it was illegal. It's fucking rude.

no it isn't.

birdinsky · Feb 25, 2020

Legally, public is public, and I understand that.

Personally, I abhor getting my picture taken WITH my consent, never mind without. Fuck photographers who are shooting people in public, including paparazzi and random joe schmoe. Shrug.

RadzPrower · Feb 25, 2020

Akira86 said:
no it isn't.

How about I set up a camera outside your door? It's public and therefore legal. How would you feel about that?

MattB · Feb 25, 2020

RadzPrower said:
I never said it was illegal. It's fucking rude. Your an entitled ass to think otherwise. Some people don't want their image plastered all over the internet, or worse, some strangers fucking wall.

It's a damned invasion of privacy regardless of what the law says.

Then honestly don't go outside. Once you are outside in a public space you give up privacy.

Squirrel Killer · Feb 25, 2020

There is no expectation of privacy when you (or your kids) are in public.

Kendrid · Feb 25, 2020

Looks like a Nikon Z6. That is $2400. He was probably wanting to test its autofocus with sports. Nothing wrong with that.

TheGhost · Feb 25, 2020

RadzPrower said:
I never said it was illegal. It's fucking rude. Your an entitled ass to think otherwise. Some people don't want their image plastered all over the internet, or worse, some strangers fucking wall.

It's a damned invasion of privacy regardless of what the law says.

Well it wouldn't really change anything because it's not against the law to shoot the public.

deimosmasque · Feb 25, 2020

Skab said:
You guys really don't find it creepy that he's out there taking pictures of a kids soccer game when he doesn't have a kid playing in it?

Selling them as stock photos, selling them to local news papers, to local schools, to the athletic organization, etc, etc.

When your a photographer you have to hustle.

TheGhost · Feb 25, 2020

Kendrid said:
Looks like a Nikon Z6. That is $2400. He was probably wanting to test its autofocus with sports. Nothing wrong with that.

That lens he has probaby cost more than the camera 😂

RedMercury · Feb 25, 2020

People should be able to take pics of whatever they want, and if they are specifically using images of people for profit they should get consent as far as papparazzi goes. Like if you're taking pictures of people for the express purpose of selling those images for profit, with the exception of journalists. Thing is papparazzi can just call themselves journalists so nothing can really be done. But that should only be determined after the pictures are sold, up to that point I don't think you have much standing to tell anyone they can't take pictures in a public place.

Akira86 · Feb 25, 2020

RadzPrower said:
How about I set up a camera outside your door? It's public and therefore legal. How would you feel about that?

so you go from taking pictures of kids at a soccer match to posting up at my front door from across the street because you're a reasonable person?
as long as you're not on my lawn, go ahead and knock yourself out.

photogs snap pics everywhere. she can be paranoid and feel unsafe, but the feelings are unfounded, and she has no support at all for her suspicions.

IDreamOfHime · Feb 25, 2020

Hobbes said:
"do you want me to show you ID?"

I love this response.

Not the 1st time he's been harrassed by an irate white woman.

nsilvias · Feb 25, 2020

Finaika said:
What if he was a cute black dude?

what do you think?

Squirrel Killer · Feb 25, 2020

deimosmasque said:
Selling them as stock photos, selling them to local news papers, to local schools, to the athletic organization, etc, etc.

When your a photographer you have to hustle.

He wouldn't be able to use them commercially without a release. Perhaps if it was particularly newsworthy, he could get around that, but certainly not as stock photos.

Kendrid · Feb 25, 2020

TheGhost said:
That lens he has probaby cost more than the camera 😂

yeah I was trying to see what it was. The dude is seriously into photography.

Some of the people here would flip if they saw street photography. There are a few members of this site that are pretty good at taking pictures of complete strangers. Although most street photographers do not photograph kids

RadzPrower · Feb 25, 2020

TheGhost said:
Well it wouldn't really change anything because it's not against the law to shoot the public.

Just because something's legal doesn't make it right. As others have said, I hate being in photos even with my consent, so back the fuck up. A fancy camera doesn't mean you're free from being called out for being an asshat.

BlueTsunami · Feb 25, 2020

I'd say it was rude of him to specifically shoot kids he doesn't know without consent but she straight up insinuated things about him to a wide swathe of people for what amounted to pretty much nothing. I hope he sues the fuck out of her.

I shoot as a hobby and have had an urge to get some shots of local games I've passed by just to try it out when the lighting is interesting but I'm pretty sure I would get some mean mugging over it. Not worth the possible altercation regardless of the law.

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