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I'd have preferred they went in the opposite direction. Allow only an explicit whitelist at launch and guarantee high level of QA with that hardware. If it turns out to have no issues and maybe 12-18 months down the line in practice devs new games are not relying on 5.5GB/s, relax the requirements to make things more flexible for users.
By not setting a high bar from the outset, people will make $100+ purchasing decisions based on it and once that happens it is hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube PR-wise.
Tbh my guess is it would be fine without the heatsink generally speaking, and I bet if you left that white metal cover off it would help with temps a bit.
Cut a hole in it. Bust out the soldering iron
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i think the heat sink issue is pretty across the board for gen4 drives. Even on the pc they require them. Some MB even have the heat sink built in.
As a tech-minded user, I'm going to sit my ass on the sidelines and see what DF and a half dozen other places say about the SSDs. This will be WAY easier to research than any computer part. All of which we manage fine. Don't cry for little Timmy. If he can afford these SSDs rn it won't kill him to google a bit.
Yeah I'm just saying they are sold without heatsinks and people use them without. It will undoubtedly happen with PS5, even with a whitelist. I don't see how they can actually hardcheck if a heatsink is installed.
They actually should do a stealth hardware revision and start including a heatsink in the on new ps5s for this reason. Just a basic metal plate heatsink is better than nothing and people will buy naked drives because they are cheaper.
Seagate already did that this morning and WD posted an image a little before the PS5 launch saying their new drive was PS5 compatible.
Sony are doing what they always did. Make you put a hard drive in, that would fit your PC as well.
Microsoft are doing what they always did. Make you buy a hard drive in a packaging that only fits to your console. Remember the 360 days.
So nothing new here on either sides.
Microsoft are doing what they always did. Make you buy a hard drive in a packaging that only fits to your console. Remember the 360 days.
So nothing new here on either sides.
For sure the 980 pro should be good enough
Prices are already dropping fast even considering the chip shortage and pandemic. In a few years it will clearly be the better option. In fact, I would go on to say both next gen consoles will surely use a similar setup. I have a Series X but wish it at least had a bay to insert an M.2 SSD. If they provide such an option on a slim model in 3 years from now it would be a godsend. Cooling seems to be the biggest issue though.
they sell them bare because high end motherboards include a heat sink. Using a gen 4 without one is rather unwise.
gen 3 was fine bare, though I'd still recommend at least a heat spreader.
I think we'll see manufacturers sell "ps5 compatible " heat sinks soon. I'm not sure if Sony would build one in due to the different ssd sizes and models.
On a related note, I do hope people test a wide variety. While no doubt we'll see the weather digital, Seagate and Samsung's, I'd really love to see smaller manufacturers like Mushkin and so on.
Just bought a 2TB Corsair MP600 Pro. Now just need a replacement heatsink. Saved 20% and got free shipping thanks to my employer.
LOL, DF was one of the major outlets disappointed with Sony titles becoming cross-gen after being initially announced as PS5 exclusive. Mainly because they were concerned that devs would compromise technical decisions. Quite similar to the potential need to compromise if there is a new soft limit for storage performance.
Right, I'm just saying I don't think it would be that hard for Sony to do a stealth ps5 revision with an included 2280/22110 heatsink, like MB manufacturers include.
Tbh it's surprising they made the slot 22110 compatible even, there's very few drives in that format. I guess it does allow a bit extra space at least.
Thx sorry I scanned it and didn't see that.
Interesting it seems he did his testing with no heatsink at all and didnt seem to have issues.
I've got 3 of the drives on the list and just got my beta invite, but the heatsinks won't be here until tomorrow. I knew I should have opted for same day delivery lmao.
I want to buy something but the lack of clarity over potentially harsher limitations after the beta I'll just wait I guess. Main drive I'm considering is honestly the xpg s50 lite. I'm willing to compromise on loading times a bit to save $80.
I think the heatsink thing is overblown. TechPowerUp's review of the bare SN850 shows it performing at full speed without a fan blowing on it, with it running at over 80C. The Samsung 980 Pro ran even hotter and still maintained speed. That's in a non-enclosed environment but PS5 will have some air circulation.
I think the use case for the PS5 is going to be unique because SSDs typically aren't inside some kind of enclosure / cage as is the case on the PS5 though.
I mean even most PC towers there is some sort of airflow from intake fans (Of course this isn't factoring watercooled setups)
I think Sony recommends users to have heatsink because there is only one single large fan acting as the main cooling unit for the console, not factoring the huge ass heatsink for the motherboard of course.
just leave the back cover off. and add a bigger heatsink with its own PSU and stand
Does the firmware have additional fan profiles for the extra heat, or already unlocked?
I'm curious about beta users reporting on heat output, sound and general acoustics.
I'm curious about beta users reporting on heat output, sound and general acoustics.
What does that have to do with anything???
I'm talking about testing and evaluating which SSDs make then cut and which don't. There will be a concrete list of products, whether from Sony or from someone else.
It was the same when 360 and Xbox One had USB expansion. Xbox set up warnings when you plugged in the device that wasn't good enough. Back then there was a glut of garbage USB sticks.
I am aware, that's why I said "other" manufacturers. Thanks for reposting the link to WD however.Seagate already did that this morning and WD posted an image a little before the PS5 launch saying their new drive was PS5 compatible.
I imagine during or shortly after the beta manufacturers will start adding "PS5 compatible" to product pages.
I cant believe people are going to bat for proprietary solutions
The Gigabyte AORUS 1TB NVMe Gen4 SSD should be fine size wise, right?
Width - 80.5 mm
Depth - 11.4 mm
Height - 23.5 mm
I was also looking at the GP-ASM2NE6100TTTD for $100 less - surely the slight difference in speed will not make that much of a difference?
Should probably just wait for benchmarks...
Width - 80.5 mm
Depth - 11.4 mm
Height - 23.5 mm
I was also looking at the GP-ASM2NE6100TTTD for $100 less - surely the slight difference in speed will not make that much of a difference?
Should probably just wait for benchmarks...
The point is that Sony should've made a list themselves that they guaranteed equivalent performance with. That would eliminate doubt for users with respect to compatibility and devs with respect to performance minimums. Instead we have confusion among users and devs like Insomniac tweeting about them testing performance.
DF can do this but DF has no access to internal metrics and no skin in the game if they fail to catch problems with a particularly demanding part of a specific game.
Technically the max height (depth in your specs above) is 11.25mm. But someone tested a 11.4 drive and it fit.
Ok... I'm no dev. So I don't want to trivialize any work they may have. But testing is part of the game. They test shit. Go complain about the Xbox Series S, that's a whole ass extra console they have to test, and they do.
As far as consumer confusion I see minimal. Someone will google "upgrading PS5 Hardrive" and they'll know the 5 favorite options of people.
I mean, proprietary solutions are clearly better. Why should you just be able to buy some "random" drive and install it in your PS5? That's PC territory, and should have nothing to do with consoles. At least on Microsoft's console, you just go to the store, buy a thing that works and plug it in.
Pretty sure the XBOX HDD could be replaced with off the shelf parts. Back then Sony also used proprietary memory cards.
Same for the PSP and Vita with proprietary memory cards, though the Vita was super proprietary.
Sadly, given the way it's set up in the PS5 I'm not sure I'll ever upgrade mine. I don't even like opening my PC and am extremely bad, because of dysgraphia, with hand dexterity.
By that metric the HDDs in the PS3 and PS4 should have never been user upgradable which Sony completely allowed.
I really don't like we are making arbitrary metrics of what should and should not be allowed on console just because people don't want to associate them with PC centric hardware.
You also have the choice to NOT upgrade. Also proprietary solutions are pretty much always more expensive, you don't get alternatives because of the nature of being proprietary. Case in point the Xbox 360 HDD, The PS Vita Memory Card, and so forth. There were less expensive and much more efficient choices on the market but those angles weren't given because of being proprietary in nature.
I really don't like we are making arbitrary metrics of what should and should not be allowed on console just because people don't want to associate them with PC centric hardware.
You also have the choice to NOT upgrade. Also proprietary solutions are pretty much always more expensive, you don't get alternatives because of the nature of being proprietary. Case in point the Xbox 360 HDD, The PS Vita Memory Card, and so forth. There were less expensive and much more efficient choices on the market but those angles weren't given because of being proprietary in nature.
Yep, it's clear why Microsoft went with a proprietary solution here. It's true plug and play. The PS5 upgrade method is going to scare off many people who might have otherwise thought of upgrading their fast storage. Opening up a console is something a lot of people will never entertain.
The heat sink requirement especially seems dangerous to me, something some people will be unaware of when upgrading. Who knows what kind of damage the lack of info could cause in that situation.
I don't think either solution is great. I'd like a way on the PS5 to be able to plug more storage in and run games without the fridge. But I think you should still be able to change the internal storage. Same for the XBOX, I think not being able to change the internal storage is a mistake but I like that the option to just plug in an expansion exists.
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