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Official PlayStation Next-Gen plans (2020, Wired Exclusive Article) [ Ray Tracing, BC, SSD, & more]
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The raytracing thing is kind of a bummer to me as that will be a buzzword and devs will probably chase it at huge performance hits.
I just really hope we see more 60fps options in games with a much better processor, even if it means 1080p/60 (or better - 1440p/60). I'll take that any day instead.
I just really hope we see more 60fps options in games with a much better processor, even if it means 1080p/60 (or better - 1440p/60). I'll take that any day instead.
The Travelstar 5K1000 in the PS4Pro can sustain speeds of no more than 90MBps (and I'm being generous). This is sustained speed, say a a compressed file containing a level, forget about loading a bunch of assets from random parts of the disk it will fall to around 1MBps in random reads. A Pcie 4.0 NVME drive would be able to do a sustained transfer rate of 31500Mbps if it can bottleneck the port (minus overhead et al).
It's a big old SSD with a great interface and well performing flash.
I wonder if the ray tracing name drop is just fancy PR speak just like dropping the mention of 8k support. Ray tracing is extremely expensive on even RTX GPUs (it literally halves my framerate at 4k in Metro) and while the ray tracing benefits are obvious and appealing, i think devs can produce amazing envrionments without ray tracing.
See the rebirth demo screenshots below. Done on a single 1080Ti with no ray tracing.
This is Metro with Ray tracing Global Illumination on.
I think next games can look just fine without ray tracing. I'd rather they spent the GPU resources elsewhere.
See the rebirth demo screenshots below. Done on a single 1080Ti with no ray tracing.
This is Metro with Ray tracing Global Illumination on.
I think next games can look just fine without ray tracing. I'd rather they spent the GPU resources elsewhere.
Ray Tracing? Extremely fast high-end custom SSD? Zen 2 and a Navi GPU? Plus backwards compatible with at least PS4? Damn Sony is not playing around. If those were rumors I honestly would not believe it them just based on the SSD part.
you still living in 2009 or something? Zen Gen 3 is amazing as fuck.
I dont want to bubble burst, but I have heard from two separate sources that what is shown off in editor in the rebirth demo vs. what occurs in the rendered out video is in fact not the same.I wonder if the ray tracing name drop is just fancy PR speak just like dropping the mention of 8k support. Ray tracing is extremely expensive on even RTX GPUs (it literally halves my framerate at 4k in Metro) and while the ray tracing benefits are obvious and appealing, i think devs can produce amazing envrionments without ray tracing.
See the rebirth demo screenshots below. Done on a single 1080Ti with no ray tracing.
I think next games can look just fine without ray tracing. I'd rather they spent the GPU resources elsewhere.
I don't know if having that cheaper console will necessarily benefit them versus Sony's one system strategy. It's difficult to tell how the market will react. And yea, I can't see those new studios having games ready for launch, and then with the exception of Playground Games and Ninja Theory, I'm not even sure of the potential quality of the titles those acquired studios will make. I guess only time will tell. But Sony has some serious fire with these specs and with the potential launch line up.
Yeah. But with what storage considering that games will be huge?
This is an indoor screenshot of Metro Exodus with no sun or sky, so it is not using Ray Traced Global Illumination in that screenshot, rather, just Ray Traced Ambient Occlusion.This is Metro with Ray tracing Global Illumination on.
I think next games can look just fine without ray tracing. I'd rather they spent the GPU resources elsewhere.
Usually companies are super secretive about their future plans right up until they announce it themselves.
The game will load before even clicking the travel option.
Yeah so that goes back to the previous post. The NAND flash that fully uses that "great interface" isn't cheap. I'd be VERY surprised if a 1TB 5+GB/s flash storage solution makes the BOM cut.
That's something that should be there by default on that type of game honestly.
I really hope they do. I hate dusting off old consoles when I want to play an older game. The lack of any kind of PS1 support and the fact that I can't play my digital PS1 games still pisses me off. How cool of a selling point would it be if the PS5 supported games from every PlayStation console? Maybe it would be too much of a challenge in terms of licensing, but it would be amazing.
...people thought it could be 2019?!I don't want to be smug and laugh at people who thought it'd be a 2019 release but..
The PS4 pro is a 5400 rpm HDD so it's definitely not getting anywhere near maximum SATA II speeds.
Feels like a much more significant leap than last gen while bringing the existing product in to the future with it. Couldn't be more excited after reading that article. Gonna be a fun next 18 months.
Hoped*
If I had to guess, they'll have a "cache drive" that's 64-120GB that loads the game you're playing. The game while not being played will still reside on old fashion platter spinning drives. Just my guess.
Does Xbox have a Cerny like figure working for them? I mean, is there a lead designer of Xbox, who we just don't hear about?
I've been saying this for years... November 2020 499$ with no mid gen refresh on mind for next gen which is clearly now since they will start selling the console with loss and they are preparing a beast of a console from the very beginning unlike PS4.
And I guess next gen life cycle will even be longer than the usual 7 years now.
And I guess next gen life cycle will even be longer than the usual 7 years now.
I cannot wait!
The SSD is interesting though, I mean what size is it going to be it is going to have to be at least 1TB there is then the cost implications, a 1TB Pro is £350, I couldn't see the PS5 being out in eighteen months time for £400, a 1TB SSD is about £100 so trade would be £50 and maybe Sony if buying millions would get them for £30-£40, but I would think that you would want to get at least a 2TB, I got a 500GB PS4 and the first thing I did was put in a 1TB SSHD.
The SSD is interesting though, I mean what size is it going to be it is going to have to be at least 1TB there is then the cost implications, a 1TB Pro is £350, I couldn't see the PS5 being out in eighteen months time for £400, a 1TB SSD is about £100 so trade would be £50 and maybe Sony if buying millions would get them for £30-£40, but I would think that you would want to get at least a 2TB, I got a 500GB PS4 and the first thing I did was put in a 1TB SSHD.
I can't imagine Sony want to rock the boat with an over $400 price. They may consider taking a loss on hardware because they will easily make up that revenue on software and services.
If one of the core aspects of the PS5 is this SSD that has supposedly higher "raw bandwidth" than any SSDs available in current PCs then I don't expect this to be user upgradable storage, nor for games to be able to run off external storage. Seeing as games will be built with this bandwidth in mind and the system will require that it be present.
Custom SSD = $$$, PCIe4 SSD = $$$
I'm so glad the next console is coming with an SSD, I assumed it would be too pricey to keep in, but I'm glad Cerny and his team saw the value, so much so they doubled down with this custom (?) configuration.
However a custom or PCIe4 SSD is likely to be more expensive on a per GB basis than probably a good chunk of the currently available SSDs. This box can't cost more than $500. So I don't think we're getting 1 TB of storage on this SSD. (I hope I'm wrong for the record) But this might be a dual drive machine. Hopefully 512GB (although I could see them even doing 256GB) of this custom SSD + 500GB+ conventional drive for storage purposes that's also potentially user upgradable.
Personally I'll take SSD > user upgradable storage. Hopefully there is still a way to expand storage, as the 2TB drive I put in my PS4 has been full for over a year.
Custom SSD = $$$, PCIe4 SSD = $$$
I'm so glad the next console is coming with an SSD, I assumed it would be too pricey to keep in, but I'm glad Cerny and his team saw the value, so much so they doubled down with this custom (?) configuration.
However a custom or PCIe4 SSD is likely to be more expensive on a per GB basis than probably a good chunk of the currently available SSDs. This box can't cost more than $500. So I don't think we're getting 1 TB of storage on this SSD. (I hope I'm wrong for the record) But this might be a dual drive machine. Hopefully 512GB (although I could see them even doing 256GB) of this custom SSD + 500GB+ conventional drive for storage purposes that's also potentially user upgradable.
Personally I'll take SSD > user upgradable storage. Hopefully there is still a way to expand storage, as the 2TB drive I put in my PS4 has been full for over a year.
And that would make Sony's speed increase claim require an even faster SSD.
they'd have to take a massive loss if they want to sell hardware with those specs at 400.
BC is confirmed so you should be able to play every PS4 game on it.
Very nice, very ...expected...well the custom SSD aside...Also $499 / E529 / £429. No way on this planet this is $399 I'd bet a packet of Love Hearts on this.
If it's BC which it says it is, is Cross Buy even a thing? The game should just work.
As a team2019er, I concede. But I was on point with the SSD, tho.I don't want to be smug and laugh at people who thought it'd be a 2019 release but..
Which fools said that? They deserve to be shamed.I don't want to be smug and laugh at people who thought it'd be a 2019 release but..