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Yeah, from a corporate gamesmanship angle (which, to be clear, I don't think is exactly super healthy for their customers to concern themselves with, but whatevs) it's difficult to see how this deal leaves Microsoft with egg on their face.
It's bizarre to me that you're the first poster in the 101 threads about this subject that has such a measured and sensible take on this. That so many are cheerleading the purchase of independent third party publishers is frankly pretty disgusting -- and in the long term self-defeating.
My bigger concern for future Bethesda games is MS's declaration that all will be released day-one on GamePass. While it might sounds amazing for those who evangelise the service's value proposition, reading between the lines poses the question of how a service charging a $10 monthly fee (if that) will possibly be able to finance the huge multi-hundred million dollar projects that Bethesda games tend to be? Either GamePass monthly subs will need to shoot up (which is extremely unlikely) or Bethesda games scopes will reduce drastically and become seriously compromised by this move. I think people are naively believing that MS will forever dump billions into the GamePass service without ever concerning themselves with a possibility of profitability later on down the line.
I'm just expecting more buyouts, 3rd parties looking best on Xbox, plus the value of game pass, PS5 raising its prices, there's just no hype for PS5 now.
I'll pick one up in about 5 years when it has a handful of exclusives for cheap.
You know you have high-quality pasta when people keep falling for it!
You're right, short term is fine. But I feel that the effect big acquisitions like these will have on the entire industry will hurt the consumer. Kind of like what's happening in streaming right now? Having to be in multiple ecosystems to enjoy exclusive content.
English isn't my native language so I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across properly :)
Saw this and thought "Holy Fuck". As it happens I genuinely don't think I've bought a Zenimax/Bethesda title or any of the associated franchises since... Morrowind on 360 and Quake III: Revolution on PS2. Planning on buying Deathloop though. Still this is absolutely huge news.
Will presumably lead to a fair amount of eventual redundancies in the publishing/marketing etc side, with the added downside that now surely Sony feel the need to retaliate with an acquisition of their own (not of this scale obviously) and more and more consolidation.
Still, holy fuck! What a move.
Will presumably lead to a fair amount of eventual redundancies in the publishing/marketing etc side, with the added downside that now surely Sony feel the need to retaliate with an acquisition of their own (not of this scale obviously) and more and more consolidation.
Still, holy fuck! What a move.
Yeah, I've already bookmarked their post. Can't wait to whip it out in every thread about acquisitions.
it's, like, the "my favorite games company is doing something I don't like" meltdown copypasta
Who is losing their jobs? They're going to continue operating as normal. Zenimax is still going to publish.
The only one of those franchises that carries the weight of an Elder Scrolls, Doom, Fallout would be RE. SF and DMC are far narrower in terms of sales.
I'm normally on board with your posts Matt, and I agree with the second half, but honestly how many of the recent Xbox acquisitions have led to people losing their jobs? Let's not be hyperbolic here.
Jeez.......
Becareful who you call ugly in high school eh?
2021 still looking dry but 2022 onward mannnnnnn
Why wouldn't game pass subs shoot up ? It went from 10 to 15 million in a few months , no ?
And 10 million was already very impressive .
More content will mean more subscribers will mean more money made .
If it takes off on mobile , it could be huge .
My favorite dev (Arkane) going to MS is the real game changer for me personally. Fuck.
Then again, Rare is on that list and they haven't put out anything I care about since the N64 days.
It always comes back to the games though. If Beth provides the games I want, then I'll go where they go.
Then again, Rare is on that list and they haven't put out anything I care about since the N64 days.
It always comes back to the games though. If Beth provides the games I want, then I'll go where they go.
To me next year they are, if FFXVI gets released. I want to play it as soon as possible, so i dont have another chance. Sure, Microsoft thing is different, but who knows what Sony is going to buy in the future. They are both playing the similar game.
Yes, paying for timed exclusivity and buying an entire publisher so their games may no longer be on a competing console AT ALL is entirely the same thing. Interesting use of being forced as well.
For the record, they are both bad, but they are not close to being comparable.
If Xbox plans to expand gaming to 2 billion people through cloud streaming, 1) don't you agree that's amazing for the industry, 2) don't you think a platform for 2 billion gamers requires more first party studios than a platform for 100 million gamers?
And if so, isn't this fine if there aren't job losses? In Phil's interview on CNBC, they ask him if they will make cuts, and Phil responded that they have no plans to. They want to support Zenimax to be its best version.
Obviously we'll see if this is the case in the coming months. But seeing how Xbox has handled previous acquisitions, and knowing their plans for the future, I think it's a bit hyperbolic to blanket claim that this is awful.
Pipe down there. Bethesda has been not doing so hot lately. Fallout and Elder Scrolls are the big IPs here along with maybe Doom
2021: Plow through as much of the Gamepass' current selection as you can, supplement with F2P titles like Warzone, Rocket League, and Fortnite
2022: Feast
You are not going to get Series X level of performance spending a couple of hundred dollars more on a PC. Source: Me who has a gaming PC.
Seriously, the resistance on these forums to just getting an Xbox is something to behold
Just to point out that recently Bethesda games have been primarily reviews based on their PC versions, With PS4 being #2 in review count.
Fallout 76 = 52 MC (-1)
Rage 2 = 73 MC (+6)
Wolfenstein: Young Blood = 69 MC (+6)
Doom Eternal = 88 MC (+1)
How does this change anything in terms of choice for the consumer though? You still have PC, mobile, Sony, Nintendo and MS. If we see that space tighten then I'll start to agree with you but there is plenty of choice on the consumer side. Hell MS is offering plenty of places for you to engage with their content and a variety of ways for you to pay for it whether that be a subscription or buying the game outright on the PC in different stores or on the console.
I have some mixed feelings about this.
It's great that Bethesda's game catalogue is coming to Game Pass. Which greatly increases the value of the service.
But on the other hand. Now that platform holders seemingly can buy publishers, where is this going to end? Will Sony also buy a publisher in response?
It's great that Bethesda's game catalogue is coming to Game Pass. Which greatly increases the value of the service.
But on the other hand. Now that platform holders seemingly can buy publishers, where is this going to end? Will Sony also buy a publisher in response?
Honest Opinion: If Bethesda games become Xbox Exclusives (Windows 10 does not count) I will buy an Xbox (More expensive unit). If not, I will spend the additional money on a high-end PC and PS5.
I am currently at a loss. I do not see this changing the purchasing behavior for the Josiah gamer.
I am currently at a loss. I do not see this changing the purchasing behavior for the Josiah gamer.
I don't like exclusives. I wish there was ONE "system" and all the game developers just developed for that one.
However, this doesn't "lock" anyone out. Just buy the hardware that has the games you want. I've been doing that for 30+ years now (even when I was young my dad would buy Atari/Nintendo/Sega hardware across those generations starting in the 80s).
The one major drawback I see, is people that can't afford multiple systems. That sucks. I buy the hardware from every maker, so this doesn't faze me access wise.
I bought a PS4 just for The Show, God of War, and the Uncharted games. Them being Sony exclusive doesn't lock anyone out.
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I don't think it debatable now. This firmly squared them up as having the best 1st party family.
You are spot on. MS has been gearing up for this for the last 2 years it seems, which is why the checkers vs chess description is apt IMO.
If you think Microsoft is going to maintain two separate publishing operations indefinitely, then I have a bridge in Maryland to sell you.
I'm so glad this format has persisted after all these years.
Zenimax is a major publisher with lots and lots of jobs that will be redundant as part of MS, plus the fact that not all developers and studios within Zeni and likely to fit in with MS's overall game strategy.
There will be job losses, to think otherwise is naive.
I think the idea that there are two billion people just waiting to play videogames for a large subscription fee but also those people never even considered buying a console is a flawed premise to begin with. See also: stadia.
In addition, this doesn't really get Microsoft any more titles they couldn't have had anyway, it just makes Sony get less.
This was a response to someone saying the majority of Bethesda games had a really great critical reception this gen. Just proving that wasn't really the case.
And sure the biggest games score good (Fallout 76 excluded), but even "smaller" games like Prey or Evil Within are on big multimillion dollar budgets.