i have an evo 850 in my PS4 Pro and never saw this..........these new SSD's in both consoles are insanely faster than even that. I highly doubt this will be much of an issue if at all on either console
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Odd take: PS5 SSD is exciting, but we should be focused more on the XSX SSD
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i have an evo 850 in my PS4 Pro and never saw this..........these new SSD's in both consoles are insanely faster than even that. I highly doubt this will be much of an issue if at all on either console
Does everyone really believe that a faster SSD will solve everything? So Mark Cerny knows something that no one else in the PC or console space ever figured out? "Forget the CPU and GPU, just get the fastest storage possible and all of your graphics programming challenges will magically go away." I am very impressed by the PS5, but I really believe we are putting too much stock in it's SSD.
PC basically has no SSD on the market right now as fast as PS5 SSD but that will be rectified before years end. However, it will require new motherboards with PCI Express 4.0 (and 5.0 is coming), only AMD Ryzen X570 motherboards currently have PCI Express 4.0 support. Current PC maxes out at 5000 MB/s while Sony PS5 is 5500 MB/s and up to 9000 using compressed data.
Most PCs can only meet at best Xbox Series X SSD speeds (2500 MB/s) but even that requires a M2 NVMe slot and a relatively fast SSD. High end PC NVMe drives on PCI Express 3.0 (Intel motherboards) top out at around 3500 MB/s. But all those cheap $100 1 TB NVMe drives on pc are all around 1750-2000 MB/s which isn't even as fast as Xbox. Then you have allot of pc users who don't even have NVMe slots, their SATA based SSD (SATA connection is what PS4 used) top out at 550 MB/s.
I'd be pretty shocked if PC games started using SSD, let alone even XsX level SSD as minimum spec any time soon. You've got years before the first part is even going to be a big movement there.
I think it just comes down to how the PC will adapt in this regard. We will have very fast sustained NVME SSD solutions on both next-gen consoles. If developers want to put these games on PC as well, do they require a SSD? Or a NVME SSD? Or do they not really take advantage of any of it and allow PCs with mechanical HDD to still play their games?
On the next-gen consoles, there's a guarantee in place. There's variability in the PC space. Someone next year can buy a PCIE 4.0 NVME SSD with 7 GB/s read speeds for their PC, but if the game developers aren't altering requirements and building games on PC to take advantage of that, and allowing the PC version of their games to still use a HDD or SATA SSD, then that speed isn't really going to be fully realized.
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A game built around 7GB/s SSD will NOT work on HDD. So either devs develop for SSD or not.
There is no inbetween. Either PC player adapt or get left behind
This is not the correct way to view this. Computer games like all computer programs are severely limited and have been designed to use HDD as the baseline for their storage. They are optimized accordingly. PS5 and Xbox are the first set of large scale gaming platforms that can ignore the restrictions of a HDD bottlenecked memory hierarchy. The problem is that XSX and PS5 multiplatform games that do not wish to have PC versions with high storage requirements will not see any benefit beyond load times. In this regard PS5 and XSX exclusives are free to truly revolutionize game design and from this perspective the PS5 has an advantage which no amount of horsepower can overcome.
Yep, that's pretty much my point. Even a SATA SSD at ~500 MB/S isn't going to be sufficient.
Either game design changes and PC requirements for modern games require a 5+ GB/s NVME SSD as a result, or the bar remains low and developers allow their games to run on a HDD or SATA SSD. Which means the underlying design of the games isn't changing.
I'm surprised more hasn't been made of Lockhart being the lowest common denominator for multi platform titles. Everyone is taking the highest end model of the Xbox version as the Xbox baseline.
The Lockhart is going to run the exact same games but at a lower resolution and no ray tracing. It's going to work similarly to how the Switch works docked vs portable mode. It's really not that complicated.
You'll still be able to render the same worlds with the same physics, etc, you'll just be pushing out less pixels.
well.. ofcourse games will be built around the SSDs. Why would it not? PC players are a minority vs PS5 + Xbox.. either they upgrade or get left behind.
Look at triple A games sales this gen. PC sales are always at the bottom.
So now this is turning into "... super fast SSDs will make consoles leave the PC's behind?" Okayyyyy. Does an SSD draw pixels? Can it calculate physics? This is like Github is BS, MisterXmedia's secret sauce, and Crackdown's cloud on steroids. You guys really need to temper your expectations.
I;m sure the SSD will be nice to use, but are you actually thinking it will give the machine more graphical grunt? That's the GPU/CPUs job.
I can't even tell what you are saying here. Or why you quoted me.
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It (can) fundamentally change game design, in a way that can be not scalable, before you even get to drawing it.
if the SSD is fast enough, devs can use higher quality texture since they can swap it out immediately when they need to.
SSD will affects graphics immensly.
That's not going to happen considering the market leader on PC, Intel might not have any motherboards supporting fast SSDs until 2021 or 2022. Intel might not even support PCI Express 4.0 at all and skip to 5.0. If anything changes for multiplatform games, it will just be requiring a SSD which includes SATA SSDs at 550 MB/s.
I know it's whispered around these parts when folk want to hamstring the series x...but no i don't actually know what it is or capable of.
lol ok
That would be the worst case scenario and I don't see it happening at all.
PC sales are the minority when it comes to AAA games, why would devs hamstring themselves because of PC? especially considering PC players can and will upgrade when they find the landscape changing around them.
Convinced that we haven't heard much of anything about XSX's architecture yet? Good.
It's not about load times, it's about streaming assets during gameplay. Higher quality textures, LOD, larger worlds, etc.
We might just have another few of games not coming to PC because of the performance gap of the consoles and the majority of PCs being used.
We are going into a gen with good specs this time. Last gen's long long tail and the under specced PS4/XboxOne have spoiled PC gamers for the last decade
People who keep harping on the load times don't get it. Even cerny himself said that's not the reason they went with the SSD.
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Hopefully we move to SSD faster than the speed of getting rid of VGA ports.
This is likely, hence me saying it would need some convincing from Sony for them to do otherwise. Their SSD will shine with their first party though.
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Not even larger worlds, just more natural worlds where you arent put in long hallways stairs doors or elevators all the time.
I don't think they would flat out not come to PC. But they will require an nvme storage to run.
Do you think devs might compromise on their next gen games because some PC players are still using HDD? I don't think so.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Velocity Architecture software developed in MS SSD solution suppose to be game changing?
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Xbox Velocity Architecture – The Xbox Velocity Architecture is the new architecture we've created for the Xbox Series X to unlock new capabilities never-before seen in console development. It consists of four components: our custom NVMe SSD, a dedicated hardware decompression block, the all new DirectStorage API, and Sampler Feedback Streaming (SFS). This combination of custom hardware and deep software integration allows developers to radically improve asset streaming and effectively multiply available memory. It will enable richer and more dynamic living worlds unlike anything ever seen before. It also effectively eliminates loading times, and makes fast travel systems just that: fast.
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Xbox Velocity Architecture – The Xbox Velocity Architecture is the new architecture we've created for the Xbox Series X to unlock new capabilities never-before seen in console development. It consists of four components: our custom NVMe SSD, a dedicated hardware decompression block, the all new DirectStorage API, and Sampler Feedback Streaming (SFS). This combination of custom hardware and deep software integration allows developers to radically improve asset streaming and effectively multiply available memory. It will enable richer and more dynamic living worlds unlike anything ever seen before. It also effectively eliminates loading times, and makes fast travel systems just that: fast.
I'm just saying we might go through that awkward 2007 Crysis phases where piracy is rife and pc sales are poor, so companies pull out of PC ports.
I mean, I hope not, but you never know.
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Dunno yet. But, I hope so, because the less Delta in performance the better it is for gaming
How is that potentially any different to a game on Xbox X vs PS5?
I don't even know why Sony bothered with a CPU and GPU it seems like this SSD makes everything else redundant.
They've not talked about it a great deal, but the velocity architecture is a whole bunch of technologies that will make things better.
One of the MS boffins is talking a little bit about it on twitter
I mean...wow! This is where we are now? With no shred of evidence anywhere people are throwing about mad "certainties" like the above.
Cerny spoke a lot about removing bottlenecks between the SSD to the ram to ensure 5.5GB/s throughput.
Do you think PC will suffer from those bottlenecks since it doesn't have any customized hardware?
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I watched almost all of the DirectX thing yesterday, but missed the bit on Storage. That bit there is actually really exciting now that I think about it and based on what I watched.