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Observation (game from creators of Stories Untold, published by Devolver Digital) exclusive to Epic Games Store on PC
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That post is from 2005 if i am not misreading; 14 years ago. Pc gaming in 2019 is not the same as it was in 2005.
100% this.
Anyone complaining about devs "selling out" is in the wrong - you take the money, especially at the amounts we've heard Epic is shelling out. Sure, you'll have some diehards complaining on the internet for a week, but then everyone will forget and you get to reap additional sales once the year of exclusivity has run out.
The gaming industry has the memory of a goldfish, take the money and be happy.
Very good point. I'd imagine they want to keep it a 1:1 comparison since Redux also launched alongside the original game's remastered version and at a reduced price point, so sales aren't equivalent. I'll agree that it's not a perfect comparison, but it is the most relevant.
Given how consumer hostile stores and attempts have gone before on PC, I wouldn't bet on it.
Or maybe some PC gamers just have a different opinion than you. We're not a hive mind, you know, not every PC gamer thinks alike.
Over twice a version of a game that has two, which means this info could mean atleast 3 different numbers, instead of just giving hard numbers for some mysterious-but-not-really reasons.
I dunno man.
A 90% discount on steam launch looks less like 'a little extra'and reeks more of desperation to me :x
That's literally what they did. Devs had to stop selling the game on their website and removed the demo because it became a Steam exclusive game. And Valve told them what they had to do.
Of course it's 2005 and completely different times but "Valve didn't ever moneyhat" is a wrong statement. Otherwise why would anyone voluntarily stop selling the game on the official website?
My doubt with all this is what should we do once all these games release on steam
1- Get them Day1 as (If it was on Steam I would have purchased Day1 1 year ago), but then devs are getting the Epic Money + Second profit income in a year, so doing this looks pretty much profitable for them while we have waited for a year
2. Not getting them Day1 on Steam (And then have devs saying things such as "We sold 3x times on the first month on the Epic store than on Steam, so we will continue with it")
I'm not sure what's the best way to send a message. it's clear that money is the only way to communicate...
1- Get them Day1 as (If it was on Steam I would have purchased Day1 1 year ago), but then devs are getting the Epic Money + Second profit income in a year, so doing this looks pretty much profitable for them while we have waited for a year
2. Not getting them Day1 on Steam (And then have devs saying things such as "We sold 3x times on the first month on the Epic store than on Steam, so we will continue with it")
I'm not sure what's the best way to send a message. it's clear that money is the only way to communicate...
You're not communicating anything.
If they gave a shit about what consumers think, they wouldn't do this in the first place. You're not going to influence shitty actors into doing the right thing, if their mind is made up already.
This will come down as how much money they're getting and if Epic would pay them for exclusivity the next time.
Yeah, 2005. But you're right, this is both extremely old and rather off-topic.
For the reason mentioned in the included press release I presume:
Pretty much where I am at. I am not planning to utilize EGS at any time during the near future (ie say next three years) so these games don't exist as far as I am concerned.
I will take a look once this and other exclusives show up on other storefronts at a large discount if I am still interested with so many games constantly releasing.
Same. I'll probably wait for deep discounts, if you devalue your property like this, I'm not sure why I should value it too.
Developer or Publisher: Epic is bad. It is foolish to release your game where few people will buy it.
Epic gives a big fat cheque.
Developer or Publisher: Fuck Valve for the 30% cut. Epic is good for us and you, the consumer. Since we receive more money, we will improve our game so you can enjoy it. Oh, and we won't be in the black for months.
Yeah but even a promisse is more than steam is doing right now . So belive
Again, why did they voluntarily stop selling the game on their website instead of giving two options? You can read that thread and some people were saying that they wouldn't buy the game if it was Steam only from the beginning.
For some reason you believe this PR statement but don't trust devs and publishers who are happy with EGS and say the same PR bullshit.
For one thing we have plenty of evidence of the epic moneyhats. We have no evidence of the same from valve.
No one would believe it was a joke though. Plus it just reminds me of the terrible "gog is closing down" joke cdprojekt did long ago.
Selling from your own website, especially back in the day, was a ridiculous pain in the ass filled to th ebrim with ridiculous transaction fees and chargebacks. I expect that at the time they did that entirely voluntarily. Even more so since two options still existed. Physical copies didn't redeem on Steam.
Because this was 2005 and a small dev team with no publisher had no resources for distributing a game? If I were making a game myself, even today, I can't fathom what the costs of the kind of server bandwidth necessary for distribution would be, considering I managed to get my Dropbox banned from sharing just by posting my drawings.
I obviously have no numbers to support it, but I have a feeling that Steam's 'exclusivity' conditions back then were more than favorable compared to having to maintain the payment and distribution infrastructure for your game yourself.
So what you think they literally bought the game from devolver?
Which is sorta crazy to think about, but they've basically bought out Annapurna entirely since they're porting games for them and all of their games are being released on EGS.
Looking forward to this. Loved Stories Untold and hoping to go into Observation as blind as possible.
Seems most people think they are using the money to go and buy some Ferrari's
I do not dispute that Valve told them to stop selling a game through their website. I dispute that they did so because they received a check by Valve. Developers that signed on with EGS already confirmed that they got money for it.
I guess Epic's is bound to get a game I will care enough to buy it on their shitty store. But not for now.
Haha. How is Devolver gonna square this with their image? Either way, this game looked cool, but I can wait a year.
Sony did indeed get a lot of titles onto the PS2 simply by default, but there was still a significant number that they moneyhatted in that era(whether for temporary exclusivity or permanent).
The thing is that the former "exclusives by default" will eventually result from the latter moneyhatting practice. Logic being that moneyhatting increases market share and thusly decreases the amount of lost sales on competitor platforms you need to compensate for, until you're the only viable platform left and there's companies have no choice but to release solely on your platform.
Game looked really interesting, and probably the best from that State of Play thing. Sad.
Fuck it in this case then.
Fuck it in this case then.
Haven't seen this game before. The storefront guarantees I will not be be playing it anyways, I suppose. Valve really needs to start forcing contracts onto developers/publishers when they list a game on Steam to prevent this sort of free advertising / bait-and-switch tactics.
They better cancel their E3 presentation this year. Mocking anti-consumer stuff and bad business practices in general isn't gonna fly anymore.
Yeah, that's a good point. They can't do that anymore with a straight face.
Entering a publishing deal with Observation that requires a not-quite-last-minute payout from Epic doesn't seem like Devolver's usual way of operating. I very much doubt this is a "we need this to make it to the finish line" cash injection. (And if it is, yikes, that's some bad business.)
I think the most likely scenario is that Epic is giving out stupid money for these moneyhats and most developers and publishers think that they might as well take the money and run because they won't get another chance like that in the future.
Devolver becoming what they used to make fun of. Are they going to rip on themselves for their bext dumbass presentation? Think we all already know the answer to that
I post this, but money is ultimately my main concern here as well. Can only fault them so much.
But Devolver and No Code effectively making us a secondary consideration and doing something that's purely bad for consumers, is a reason to feel less supportive of them going forward.
Because this game is €25 and not €60, the Epic tax will make for less of a difference in this case.
So there's that, I guess...
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Developers that make the choices in the relationship between Devolver and them, so i guess that was up to NoCode. In the Discord server they said that Stories Untold wasn't a sale success so they are trying to get more visibility in the EGS, hope it goes well for them. Still gonna get the game. Stories Untold was an amazing horror experience.
Cool. I'm not bothered where I buy my games so I'll still be getting this day one on the Epic store. I also don't care about having another launcher. I'm not blindly loyal to Steam/Valve. Stories Untold was awesome and I'm expecting the same from Observation. Looks like a good majority of my PC game purchases are on the Epic store this year. Metro, Control, Outer World's now this.
Devolver has been making fun of the industry for a few years now with their E3 things. IDK why anyone would think they were the cook kid on the block to begin with. They're in this to make money, plain and simple.
That's not to say that I agree with this move, since I'm not a fan of the Epic store/moneyhat model. Their 'good for the industry' schtick shouldn't fool anyone.
That's not to say that I agree with this move, since I'm not a fan of the Epic store/moneyhat model. Their 'good for the industry' schtick shouldn't fool anyone.
Pretty much. Them Twitch and/or Youtube comments will be totally trashing their conference...that is if they allow commenting this time around. Man, the irony of doing an Unethical Business Practices conference all the while muting chat comments.
