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Obi-Wan Kenobi |OT| Well of course I know him. He's me! [SPOILERS ON EPISODE DROP - NO LEAKS]
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This version of Vader definitely matches up with the PT depiction of Anakin. He's bloodthirsty, impetuous and explosive. The guy who lost his mind and murdered a room full of children on a whim is definitely the same guy in the suit on this show. Totally unhinged.
It doesn't match up at all with the OT's depiction of a stoic, eloquent Vader and never will but they have at least bothered to change Vader's character to fit what George wrote in the PT.
It doesn't match up at all with the OT's depiction of a stoic, eloquent Vader and never will but they have at least bothered to change Vader's character to fit what George wrote in the PT.
No, what is "yikes" is thinking that a character, especially a women, can only be seen as strong so long as they are holding a gun. If that's the only way you can show Beru as strong then you're a shit writer.
But hey, this is also the series that needed to show Obi-Wan whoop Vader again in another "epic" physical duel. Because we'll be damned if Kenobi evolves past lightsabers and finds some other way to best his former apprentice.
I think a lot of people forget that within his first five minutes of screen time Vader was screaming, yelling at his men, and choked a guy to death with his bare hands. Dudes always been super unhinged
My brother in christ wtf are you talking about. What is this tangent??? Literally no one said that. Or even implied it.
He beat him by walking away.
More with the force ghosts would actually be pretty cool. They could even be connective tissues to post-TROS stories if they wanted.
No don't you get it? Star Wars always had shit writing so its ok for this show to have shit writing too.
This got me thinking, I believe every single game where the main character wields a lightsaber except for maybe Dark Forces: Jedi Knight gives you a throw move. Just because it functions as a ranged attack that way.
I think once a few of the other shows release like Andor, Ashoka, and Mando 3 we will hear about a Vader series directly following the events of Obi-wan. Hayden did well and a lot of the Vader centric moments are the best in Obi for sure.
Ah, I must've missed the part where Obi-Wan beat Vader by just walking away and not launching a shit ton of rocks at him and then chopping his suits to bits with his lightsaber. I mean, that was such a non-violent confrontation. I mean, it's not like we've seen a Jedi win without using violence.
It's like poetry.
I actually liked that reveal, because it implied that Beru had a past as a gangster or something, and I kind of headcanoned her backstory as being that she was a hardcore raider or whatever until she wanted to walk away from her life and settle down with a good man. If anything, it made me wish that we actually did have an episode that just focused on Owen and Beru, maybe Beru teaching Luke how to shoot and all.
But yeah, I doubt that they meant to imply anything with beru's battle readiness, they were just making an action scene.
Given their set up from the last episode, I'm not sure how they could have climaxed the series without a fight. I don't disagree with you, but unless you go back and set up other things to pay off with a non-violent or more intelligent confrontation, it's hard not to feel that this was the only way things could have gone, if only because everything is set up around Obiwan returning to his PT status.
if all you can get from the scene is that "women strong with a gun" you are shit viewer.
it was the fact that she was ready for this
it was the fact that she didnt wanted to run
it was the fact that she didnt wanted to involved other people that had nothing to do with it
it was the fact that she was up to give up her life for defending Luke and he is not even related to her nor Owen
the whole thing shows you so much about Beru, and all you can get from it was " woman with a gun"
Star Wars fans are never happy
> Finn: *isn't a Jedi*
> Fans: "Finn should be a Jedi wtf is this shit"
> Obi-Wan: *does Jedi shit*
> Fans: "Ugh this shit again? Obi-Wan should evolve past that"
> Finn: *isn't a Jedi*
> Fans: "Finn should be a Jedi wtf is this shit"
> Obi-Wan: *does Jedi shit*
> Fans: "Ugh this shit again? Obi-Wan should evolve past that"
I mean, it's the problem with how the entire series is written. I always figured that Obi-Wan faked his death and that's why Vader stopped looking for him and everyone assumed he was dead. I kept thinking any series would end with Vader coming for him and Kenobi realizing that confronting him wasn't the answer and instead pulling off a great ploy to fake his death and draw any attention away from Tatooine. Everyone would think Kenobi was dead, but since there is no body only Vader would have some small lingering doubt. But nothing he could actively pursue. Thus, everyone is kinda forced to just let it go and Obi-Wan gets to go back to being a hermit and watching over Luke.
But the series is written in the most blunt and base-level fashion as possible from start to finish that of course Obi-Wan can only be shown to have evolved by returning to prequel power levels and whopping Darth one more time.
Cool, cool.
You realize this was the only scene Beru had? I would think she thinks of Luke as her son given that they have been raising him since birth. And I'd also think they'd be ready since, I dunno, Obi-Wan literally said they'd all be killed if the truth got out.
Hey, since this is a character we rarely see anything about maybe don't shove a gun in her hand and call it characterization. You know what would be cool? How about some one on one time with Luke where perhaps she instills some values into him. You know, to explain why Luke is such a good person and different than Anakin. Why can't we just have a scene with the family harvesting crops with Luke, teaching him about farming and whatnot? I don't know maybe, just maybe, it might be cool to see why having good parents is a strength in itself and important.
Or we could just show that your parents are super cool cause they stash weapons around the house and are ready to kill for you. Yeah, that's a strong parent. Fuck that parenting shit. Violence is the best love.
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I mean, if it were up to me, I would definitely have Rey and Finn occupy different sphere's of Jedi duties.
Rey is always a fighter and she has a personal connection to Kylo Ren, so she's favor the combat parts of it. Meanwhile, if we were going to go with the "Finn frees the stormtroopers" storyline, then I'd place most of his abilities in leadership, charisma, and persuasion. It's not an absolutist thing, Rey would still help with the non-combat stuff and Finn would get a lightsaber and have action scenes, but it would make sense if we're following the arcs set up by the previous movie that Rey would be focused on resolving personal drama, while Finn would be oriented towards a more social type of justice since his arc of the last movie was about learning to care about the freedom and rebellion of everyone, not just those in his personal circle.
(side note but I think one really lost conflict in the ST is that you'd think Rey and Finn would have different feelings regarding Kylo Ren's fate. To Rey, he was clearly a very troubled person, but she saw his humanity underneath. Even if he were to never recover to the lightside or whatever, she'd see him as a guy who lost his way. Finn, on the other hand, only knows him a murderer and torturer, the boss he had to follow when he was ordered to slaughter villagers. I imagine he would only want to see him punished or dead and not feel sorry for him in the least. They could have had a talk about that, if Episode 9 had any idea wtf it was doing)
I feel like you missed the bit where Obiwan's choreography slowly shifted to Anakin's fighting style throughout the entire fight. Before landing a devastating blow that makes him take a step back and realize what's happening. And yes Luke is indeed a better Jedi for not harming Kylo.
I mean, shit where would Luke learn that shit from? Certainly not murder Ben whose always ready to go out swinging...
I'm not sure it works for "I am your father" (I think he's being sincere there), but imagining that sinister grin makes his snarky lines so much better.You know, I never realized that Vader probably had that same evil smile on all the time in the OT, we just couldn't see it behind the mask
"I find your lack of faith disturbing 😈"
"Apologies accepted, Captain Needa 😈"
"No. I am your father 😈"
"Perhaps you feel you're being treated unfairly?"
after this show led to extremely low expectations, I actually enjoyed the finale
I liked the vader fight, some of the dialogue and visuals were very good and that was the most important scene in this show
apart from that, the usual dumb stuff for this show
- how the freighter evaded the star destroyer shots, just silly, like from spaceballs, remember the tantive IV intro in episode 4?
- did the freighter really jump into hyper space 10 seconds after obi wan launched his transporter? I thought they had not enough time? so obi wan did not sacrifice himself for them, but just wanted to face vader? and then does not kill him because? no, that did not work.
- revas motivations continue to be chaotic, which is a shame because her character had a very interesting premise with a very cool twist, but the execution failed at every single step
- and that fight against owen and beru, ugh. the worst fan fiction fears coming true
- I did like the fan service with Neeson and McDiarmid, Sheev will always place a smile on my face no matter what
- I really liked Obi Wan calling Vader "Darth", it did not make sense of course but it was a nice attempt to fix the retcon in episode 5, that kinda worked
I liked the vader fight, some of the dialogue and visuals were very good and that was the most important scene in this show
apart from that, the usual dumb stuff for this show
- how the freighter evaded the star destroyer shots, just silly, like from spaceballs, remember the tantive IV intro in episode 4?
- did the freighter really jump into hyper space 10 seconds after obi wan launched his transporter? I thought they had not enough time? so obi wan did not sacrifice himself for them, but just wanted to face vader? and then does not kill him because? no, that did not work.
- revas motivations continue to be chaotic, which is a shame because her character had a very interesting premise with a very cool twist, but the execution failed at every single step
- and that fight against owen and beru, ugh. the worst fan fiction fears coming true
- I did like the fan service with Neeson and McDiarmid, Sheev will always place a smile on my face no matter what
- I really liked Obi Wan calling Vader "Darth", it did not make sense of course but it was a nice attempt to fix the retcon in episode 5, that kinda worked
Wouldn't have been great to have scenes like this with Owen, Beru, and Luke? Scenes that actually shows where Luke got his values:
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Eh? Is that so? From what I read they are pretty much comparable, OLED has better blacks, but QLED wins out in other categories.
He very specifically did not go out swinging.I mean, shit where would Luke learn that shit from? Certainly not murder Ben whose always ready to go out swinging...
If there was a remake of ANH Obi would still let himself be killed but the scene could be improved. Obviously said remake would require some more insight into why Obi is ready to just let himself be killed at that point and how this is more useful than not dying.
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Not every Star Wars fans or viewer is living an internet-culture based lifestyle. There is stuff that I would groan over as annoying memetic fan-service, but that same material could also be completely benign and normal to someone else who has only seen the movies once or twice. Hell, my father was the one who texted me asking if I recognized the toy Obi-Wan was trying to give Luke, I had no idea it was in original movie.
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OLED has better blacks because QLED is an LCD. The more cynical will suggest Samsung named it as such to muddy the waters when it was having trouble competing with LG's OLEDs at the time.
Seriously. It's so damn tiring seeing the same posters complaining in every Star Wars thread. The amount of passion and vitriol is frankly embarrassing.
Yup, echoing this sentiment. I liked how the blue light on Vader's face could be interpreted as some good part of Anakin still speaking out at that moment. It really felt like the Ashoka scene in Rebels but this version seems all the more better with Hayden's performance.
This is why the poll thread was so nice. People did actually enjoy it, they just largely didn't bother trying to argue the toss about it.
I wouldn't say *better* Matt Lanter is just as much Anakin as Hayden is at this point, but I did love the similarities between the 2 scenes and how they each handled it.
The more I think about it, I do loathe that they had two people survive lightsaber strikes to the stomach. And one of them has now done it twice!
And I still maintain 2 hour movie would have served this story better. No need for a shitty b plot and it could have a had a proper budget.
Still loved the Obi Wan/Vader stuff, though.
And I still maintain 2 hour movie would have served this story better. No need for a shitty b plot and it could have a had a proper budget.
Still loved the Obi Wan/Vader stuff, though.
Um, the problem is the definition of *Jedi shit*
We've already seen super good at violence Jedi Obi-Wan, maybe it's time to show a wiser one that is able to get through a situation without whipping out his lightsaber. I don't expect a first time Force User to astral project themselves across the galaxy to trick their foe into wasting time so that their friends can escape. I do expect a Jedi Master to think of a way to resolve a matter that doesn't involve swinging a lightsaber at someone's head.
You can't possibly be serious with this? First, you don't know if the people complaining about Finn are the same complaining about Obi-Wan. And second, they are two entirely separate complaints that happened for very different reasons.
"Finn should have been a Jedi" is mostly because of the bait-and-switch marketing that tried to show a black Jedi in a lead role for the first time, and the disappointment that followed when it wasn't the case (and that he ended up being terribly sidelined in general in addition to not being a Jedi). This was largely about black representation.
None of this has anything to do with whatever you or anyone else think should have been done with Obi-Wan. Come on.
Wouldn't surprise me that they're so creatively bankrtupt that they'll get involved with kidnapping hijinks with Luke this time.
You know, I never realized that Vader probably had that same evil smile on all the time in the OT, we just couldn't see it behind the mask
"I find your lack of faith disturbing 😈"
"Apologies accepted, Captain Needa 😈"
"No. I am your father 😈"
"Be careful not to choke on your aspirations. 😈"
"Be careful not to choke on your aspirations. 😈"
"Hee will come to meee~?"
Half-mask Vader sums it up for me: it was a great moment... but did it really need Obi-wan doing a ninja diving slash to get there? It felt like something out of that godawful fan remake of their ANH duel.
Good ideas, some strong individual moments, but some really sloppy execution.
Good ideas, some strong individual moments, but some really sloppy execution.
That's what Maul vs Obi-Wan is for. That shows how far he's come.
Now we could do with more of that in live action, but let's not act like we haven't seen a wise Kenobi.
Furthermore Kenobi isn't Luke, sometimes one has to act in a decisively violent manner to end things.
Kenobi has gone on a spiritual and emotional journey during this show, however he STILL has a ways to go. I think it fits where he is currently at in his story.
Maybe if they actually gave enough episodes without worrying about more seasons, and actually gave more time to characters' growth/changes, some of the previous elements we both have mentioned could've been shown more smoothly.
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Like, it can be frustrating debating with folks when their response is just:
"It's that way, because it is that way."
Yeah, but what if it wasn't? That's the whole point of critique. It didn't HAVE to be that way. It didn't HAVE to be shit.
Ding. Ding.
"It's that way, because it is that way."
Yeah, but what if it wasn't? That's the whole point of critique. It didn't HAVE to be that way. It didn't HAVE to be shit.
Ding. Ding.
Kenobi never once evolved beyond using a lightsaber like Palpatine and Yoda did. Dude was still using it in ANH against angry bar thugs. Ofc he wasn't doing what he was doing in this show anymore because of age.
Did I miss something? How does Reva know that the kid/boy is Anakin's? Did she know Leia was his daughter? AFAIK she used Leia as bait because she felt Obi-Wan had familial ties/he was close. Did I miss the Anakin angle?
Just trying to understand what her rage trip was all about.
Just trying to understand what her rage trip was all about.
Every time i think i saw everything from the SW fandom, something like this appears. Impressive, most impressive.
She was lashing out against the closest possible thing she could which happened to be this small family on Tattoine and the recording very specifically mentions Owen and "a boy." And she put 2 and 2 together because why else would the senator who's aligned with Obiwan enough to have secret communication have any desire to help someone on a backwater planet like Tatooine? Especially after the amount of effort Obiwan went through to rescue Leia. The message very specifically says
"If he's learned of the children, I'll head to Tatooine, Owen...help the boy."