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Obi-Wan Kenobi |OT| Well of course I know him. He's me! [SPOILERS ON EPISODE DROP - NO LEAKS]
- Thread starter WadiumArcadium
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Was I the only one expecting Bail to show up during Reva's Luke hunt? I thought he said he was returning to Tatooine in the message he left Obiwan.
I also love Reva "I'm here to murder the child, but the parents... we cool".
Someone needs to take the Vader "Obi-wan!" yell at the end and replace it with the "NOoooooo" from ROTS, lol
I also love Reva "I'm here to murder the child, but the parents... we cool".
Someone needs to take the Vader "Obi-wan!" yell at the end and replace it with the "NOoooooo" from ROTS, lol
Obi Wan: You must face Darth Vader, again.
Luke: I can't kill my own father.
Obi Wan: ah yes your father that you have known for 1 year, chopped your hand and tried to convert you to the dark side.
am i imagining things or did Obi Wan try to do his duel of the fates back block thing against Vader and then get punched in the face
He got the Qui Gon punch.
Maul was in doubt on if Kenobi survived Order 66 when we meet him in Rebels, so there won't be an interaction between those two unless they adapt those moments in Rebels for Kenobi S2 to tie in what they are doing with the Ahsoka show as they should and put that closure to Obi-Wan's growth outside of the Vader situation in his own show.
Maul is likely on Malachor after taking an L to Vader, as he implied that he had that displeasure. Though hey, maybe that can be the Reva team-up and the Kenobi show is split between Kenobi doing ghost training and some local issue, and Reva teaming with Maul on doomed revenge mission v3. Doubt it would get that involved and the fall of Crime Lord Maul will probably be in animation, but one can wish.
Edit: Spoiler tags added since shouldn't assume people watched Rebels. Which btw, y'all who haven't should watch Rebels.
Obi Wan broke the right side of the helmet, Ahsoka the left side. But only Luke managed to remove the entire helmet.
It's like pottery.
Wow...this got a very sensible chuckle out of me. Thanks!
Yes. He also cut off his "brother's" legs and left him to burn in a molten pit of lava, and then was *extremely* surprised to find out he was still alive ten years later.
I don't know, he doesn't seem *that* conflicted.
I can't believe I recognized Malcolm McDowell's voice from this bit.
ESB/ROTJ Obi-Wan is a thinly drawn character that I'm fine retconning a little.
It's a shame we didn't stay on Vader a little longer after his SheevTime, because it's a great end to that arc: Obi-Wan has kicked his ass TWICE, and you know Vader must be dying to hunt him down and avenge himself, but Palpatine is still dangling the Inquisitors as his possible replacement if he gets distracted. Vader is now season premiere Reva.
As with much of Star Wars, I really dig the macro story beats even if the execution isn't all there.
There were few good ways to end this. But Obi-Wan leaving him to continue killing in the name of the empire was a fucking terrible one.
Have Vader flee. Have Obi-Wan fake his death to make Tarkin's comments in a New Hope work better.
Have Vader flee. Have Obi-Wan fake his death to make Tarkin's comments in a New Hope work better.
Really? I thought he looked great. He's older, but certainly passable as younger Anakin still.
Chump ass Kylo Ren wanting to be like Vader when he was named after the dude who dunked on him twice.
I don't think it's a retcon that Obi-Wan can't bring himself to finish the job, and is pretty in-line with the crap the Jedi were about in their twilight. All deflection, projection, and pushing, which also happen to be their signature uses of the force.
Sliiight exaggeration, lol. Hayden's fine as hell.
Ewan is only 10 years older than Hayden though — 51 to Hayden's 41. The flashback duel wasn't doing Hayden any favors doing close-ups of his face with barely any de-aging, when he's supposed to be a teenager in the scene.
is he really?
he is having his jedi knight exam.
so im not sure he is supposed to be a teenager at all.
So...
- How did Reva know to look for Owen's kid? I'm confused as how much she knew. Did she know that was Anakin's son? How???
- It was pretty cool to see Owen and Beru hold their own against a(n injured) Force user, but that kinda makes their deaths in ANH a bit ridiculous. I guess they were older, and taken by surprise.
- I skipped a few pages and I didn't see any complaints about Obi-Wan just walking away and letting Vader live... Seriously, he wrecked Anakin/Vader's shit TWICE (ROTS and here) and both times he left him alive just like that?? Then in the OT he had to gall to push Luke to go and commit patricide lmao, that's shameless.
- Obi-Wan praising the hell out of Leia's biological parents right in front of her adoptive parents was a bit awkward lol
- The Emperor's appearance was completely unnecessary.
- How did Reva know to look for Owen's kid? I'm confused as how much she knew. Did she know that was Anakin's son? How???
- It was pretty cool to see Owen and Beru hold their own against a(n injured) Force user, but that kinda makes their deaths in ANH a bit ridiculous. I guess they were older, and taken by surprise.
- I skipped a few pages and I didn't see any complaints about Obi-Wan just walking away and letting Vader live... Seriously, he wrecked Anakin/Vader's shit TWICE (ROTS and here) and both times he left him alive just like that?? Then in the OT he had to gall to push Luke to go and commit patricide lmao, that's shameless.
- Obi-Wan praising the hell out of Leia's biological parents right in front of her adoptive parents was a bit awkward lol
- The Emperor's appearance was completely unnecessary.
Best episode of the season. If they do another they should put better writers on it at least. I enjoyed it. Wish I enjoyed the whole show as much as the last episode.
Owen and Beru going toe to toe with an inquisitor yet ten years later going down like chumps to a stormtrooper scout team. Smh.
Owen and the children were mentioned on the comlink holomail. She remembered the Owen who likely covered for Obi-Wan on Tatooine, and put it together with Bail Oragana talking about the children being of interest to Vader that they must have been Anakin's.
So glad I didnt follow this series with this thread....geez some of you. Last 2 episodes were excellent. Felt quite sad for Anakin during that last fight despite what he's done.
They had warning that Reva was coming. So they were prepared. Also, they were older in a new hope.
Loved the last episode. Series/Season ended so strong these last two episodes. So many great moments in that final duel. Hoping the season 2 thing is real.
The underlined parts are huge leaps IMO... No one even knew Anakin had a lover, let alone kids.
I am older than Hayden, and he looks way older than me, he has not aged well, smoking does that to a person, even with all that make up on i can see his face looks rough..
Eeeeh, The Clone Wars portrays it as an open secret tbh.
Anyway, I binged this series last night, and was pretty whelmed. It felt very assembly line, a perfunctory showing because they wanted to capitalize on fan fervor for more Ewan as Obi-wan, rather than a project with any amount of passion behind the writing/premise.
Actors all did the best with what they were given, but what they were given was "very little," with few exceptions (e.g. Hayden was great at the end). Young Leia was spot-on personality-wise, and probably a highlight, but the focus of her relationship with Obi-wan obviously strains credulity of canon. Might've better fit canon if Leia was somehow never privy to him being Obi-wan Kenobi, instead thinking he's just some jedi named Ben.
Reva just never worked particularly well, especially in the final sequences. Felt bad for the actress. The Luke chase was just silly, although it allowed for Aunt Beru to have an unexpected badass moment (cue the Aunt Beru origin story, go Disney).
The Obi-wan vs Vader fight in the finale was... I dunno. It felt like a cheap imitation of the Vader vs Ahsoka duel in Rebels, complete with rehashing the sliced helmet. Can't be too mad, since it gave Hayden time to seriously shine, which he deserved. But I don't particularly like that Obi-wan has now allowed Vader to live again, despite knowing even more what a mass murderer he is and will continue to be. And I'm not sure that Obi-wan should have really ended the show on such a return to fitness, when he's geriatric in short order.
Anakin became a Knight at 19.
Uhhh, all right, sure. Let's all pray to look that rough in our 40s.
Actors all did the best with what they were given, but what they were given was "very little," with few exceptions (e.g. Hayden was great at the end). Young Leia was spot-on personality-wise, and probably a highlight, but the focus of her relationship with Obi-wan obviously strains credulity of canon. Might've better fit canon if Leia was somehow never privy to him being Obi-wan Kenobi, instead thinking he's just some jedi named Ben.
Reva just never worked particularly well, especially in the final sequences. Felt bad for the actress. The Luke chase was just silly, although it allowed for Aunt Beru to have an unexpected badass moment (cue the Aunt Beru origin story, go Disney).
The Obi-wan vs Vader fight in the finale was... I dunno. It felt like a cheap imitation of the Vader vs Ahsoka duel in Rebels, complete with rehashing the sliced helmet. Can't be too mad, since it gave Hayden time to seriously shine, which he deserved. But I don't particularly like that Obi-wan has now allowed Vader to live again, despite knowing even more what a mass murderer he is and will continue to be. And I'm not sure that Obi-wan should have really ended the show on such a return to fitness, when he's geriatric in short order.
Anakin became a Knight at 19.
Uhhh, all right, sure. Let's all pray to look that rough in our 40s.
Sorry, should have /s that as in theme about complaints of power inconsistencies.
Is there a good Rebels one besides Obi/Maul?
I'd say the final duel here is easy top five for me, along with Sidious v Maul/Savage, Rey/Kylo v the Praetorians, plus the ROTS Ani/Obi duel and Luke/Vader in ROTJ (almost entirely for the music cue, I love that music cue).
I consider the Obi/Maul duel it's own thing, since it's power is more in the poetry of it in the grand scheme of things versus it as a duel in isolation.
There's been a few discussions about Obi leaving him. My two cents is Vader could still have struck him down if he tried and Obi still loves him and can't bring himself to truly end things. He's just flawed as a person in some ways.
I think Owen and Beru got roasted alive by a bunch of Stormtroopers, no? It's a bit different than defending against a lone intruder. They also expected her, and she didn't expect them.
I think Obi talking about Leia's parents is fine in front of Bail. He loves them as much as Obi does.
It's actually a different Sheev clone each time.
I've only seen it on YouTube but for the vast majority of viewers this will be the first time they have seen something like this. As much as the hardcore Star Wars fans watch the animated shows, for most of us it is never something we will be watching given the horrible early episodes you have to slog through.
I mean what do to expect? We only really see close ups when he's suppose to be young and they didn't de-age him well. It's been 20 years since he was suppose to be teenage anakin of course you're gonna look older in some capacity. I wouldn't say it's an issue with him as much as Disney not putting more resources into making him look younger because he can't do anything about it lol
Try watching the last two episodes of the second season of Rebels. I won't say much, but there's a lot that they borrowed from there in this finale.
Well to be honest the age part is not as important as the "having warning and time to prepare" part. That makes a big difference imo.
Fair. To be honest I like the Ashoka duel in Mando S2 more than that and her big one at the end of Clone Wars. The Mando one feels like it has a unique edge to it, that puts it a bit above for me (not that either of the others are bad).
It's really everyone else's loss. Clone Wars is essentially fire once it gets its footing midway through S1, and when it swings and misses it's because it took a swing at something utterly insane.
Rebels takes longer but is also shorter.
People complaining about the lack of good Star Wars content need to just watch the good Star Wars content. Like, Star Trek TNG is kind of trash for the first two seasons, but people stuck through it until it was good. It's normal for shows to take awhile to get their footing.
The first bit Reva was making that leap herself in the first episode.
As for the second, Bail is talking about children and Owen is mentioned, who said in their confrontation in E1 he had a child and wife back home iirc. Obi-Wan rushed to protect Leia, which was Reva's plan in thinking Bail was the only connection. But now multiple children and this Owen are mentioned, and imply Vader's direct interest in getting a hold of them. Given she already makes obsessive leaps when it comes to Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader, it's not that far for her.
Pretty sure Luke's last name was also kept as Skywalker instead of Lars, so just knowing to look into that situation that bit is a dead giveaway if she hadn't already made that leap herself.