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Obi-Wan Kenobi |OT| Well of course I know him. He's me! [SPOILERS ON EPISODE DROP - NO LEAKS]
- Thread starter WadiumArcadium
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If you're pulling from TRoS to justify that "WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!"/obiwan.
But yes, sure, I guess this didn't start with this show. Christ, this franchise is cursed.
I'm one step closer to finally seeing a Darth Nihilus planetary force drain on screen.
true but they could have made it more dramatic. Put in more rocks, bring some shields, etc. to make it more plausible then just a bunch of people shooting each other from 5 feet away and missing. The close quarter action scenes were more jarring then Christian Bale fighting in the dark knight movies.
and then Vader destroys a ship with his force powers - the same powers that neglect to inform him the ship was empty. Not to mention Leila fixing the door, or the ship flying away scott free, or only one Rebel had a hand grenade….
I dont expect Breaking Bad level of writing and intensity but for god's sake just try a bit harder, Disney.
A reminder that the sort of stuff Anakin and the Skywalker family does is literally abnormal compared to other force users. The average person can not in fact pull down a ship and rip everything off with no issue or consequence. Does that mean the force doesn't make jedi powerful? Absolutely not. However Vader is clearly a one percenter in terms of the things he's able to do.
In a vacuum, I might agree with you, but it's one of many such different scenes / choices this show has made.
Everything just feels very low energy / like they just came up with plot points without thinking through what was going on around those plot points
Nature vs. nurture. Leia and Ben are royal scions and Anakin is granted the ultimate galactic scholarship program, while Luke is raised by his resentful drunk uncle on a desert moisture farm.
Or we're gonna get a full blown "Young Luke" show where he discovers he's force sensitive but is bonked in the back of the head in the last episode or something
I'm one step closer to finally seeing a Darth Nihilus planetary force drain on screen.
To be honest, if we are just gonna throw our hands up in the air, I want force powers to be more impressive than "basic telekinesis, but really strong" and the rest of the smattering we had thus far.
I want force users who are able to condense matter to such a degree that it creates a black holes out of particles that they throw at people. I want force users who walk in hyperspace because they don't need a space ships to bend time and space for them. I want users who create entire species be using the force manipulate the DNA of other beings. I want force users who can know both the position and acceleration of particles at the same time. I want force users who use their powers to become aware they are movie characters written by a corporation.
If we're gonna have 'crazy' force powers, then lets get fucking C-R-A-Z-Y.
So Jojo shit? I agree.
That's what the Old/High Republic stuff needs to lean into. In Light of the Jedi, Force users have radically differing relationships with the Force.
I agree , one thing I really like about some of the High Republic books is how they describe the force and how different people view it.
"What Avar Kriss heard as a song, Elzar Mann saw as a deep, endless, storm-tossed sea. The Wookiee Burryaga was a single leaf on a gigantic tree with deep-dug roots and sky-high limbs. Douglas Sunvale saw the Force as a huge, interlocked set of gears, made of an endless variety of materials from crystal to bone. Bell Zettifar danced with fire. Loden Greatstorm danced with the wind... All of the Jedi were the Force, and the Force was all of them."
I want to take that stuff and really go nuts
Inconsistent force abilities doesn't matter imo you have to suspend your disbelief a bit with sci fi fantasy. What I think matters more is characterisation, story and isn't great to be honest.
The high republic audiobooks are so good. They add sound effects and music.
I thought the first half of the Vader/Reva fight was cool.. and then it kinda fell of the cliff when they both had lightsabers. The first half Vader looks agile as fuck, once he gets a lightsaber, he moves like he's 90 years old.
I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded.
This episode fucking slapped.
Yeah I agree with all of this. Doubly so in a story like Star Wars, death really robs other writers of getting a crack at characters, it's like killing a Batman Rogue in the comics. You can tell infinite stories until someone's dead, then you're stuck with just prequels if anything. It's more impactful to do something life changing to them and see them react to it.
I really don't think Vader or the Grand Inquisitor give a shit if Reva lives or dies. The latter underestimated her and suffered for it, but otherwise she's no threat to either of them so leaving her alive on an abandoned planet is whatever. Like, Anakin probably remembers how Maul came back, and he didn't turn the tides either. Leaving Reva alive to them is just gonna cause minor inconveniences later on. And we know they're right because both die and Reva has nothing to do with either death.
Huh? I'm saying Luke would have gotten people die like Tala and others died in this episode. He would NOT have Dragon Ball Z'd the enemy army
Isn't that consistent for Vader? His swordplay is always on par with ANH I assume because of the cybernetic body parts? He can't do Hayden haymakers anymore but with robot strength and insane dark-side pressure he can just fight single-handed by flicking his wrist. I don't even think he goes two handed until he's fighting Alec Guiness.
I know, but Luke is meant to be atleast comparable in terms of force power to Vader. If Vader can do THAT, and Luke is in his ball park, then he would have DBZ'd the enemy army. Unless I guess you're saying his connection to the force has been as weakened as Obiwan's is here, where he doesn't have more than basic force abilities. But the assumption here is that Luke is stupendously powerful in the force, he'd have to be to do that illusion, so that's my assumption.
If this is what Jedi can do then, the detractors are right and Luke was just being an irresponsible coward.
They've made Darth Vader so powerful (in this and in Rogue One) that there was no reason he shouldn't have taken part in the first assault. He would have wiped the floor with everyone.
They have a freaking Star Destroyer in orbit, they know the location of the base, they know where the bay doors are, and they don't rain fire down on it, send out Tie Fighters to shoot down a transport ship whose hyperdrive did not work, or put guards around the only escape route.
Reva should have attacked while Vader was distracted trying to bring down a freaking ship. She could even get a free hit in so that the fight wasn't so one sided.
Wait a sec, episode 6 is set up to feature a showdown between Reva and Obi-Wan. What about that 2nd duel between Vader and Obi that was promised? The "rematch of a century"
If all we get between the two characters is that pitiful scene from episode 3, I would be super disappointed.
If all we get between the two characters is that pitiful scene from episode 3, I would be super disappointed.
I had the same thought about why they didn't have Tie fighters patrolling over the base but I think Vader wants Obi-Wan alive.
Just finished the latest episode. So I thought Obi-Wan's plan with Reva was he would fight Vader from the front where he had his full attention and Reva would then attack from behind. But nope, Obi-Wan just left her behind to fight on her own. That wasn't very sporting of him.
I've literally been on what is almost the exact same transport ship for Rise of the Resistance and the Star Destroyer there didn't just capture my ship but it took down escort fighters before doing so.
Went back to watch the Vader clips cause hype
The production values really stick out on rewatch. Small things like the absolute forgettable soundtrack take away from the show.
I won't start on the shaky cam business. I've never gotten motion sickness from it before but this episode and the scene where Obi Wan talks to a Jedi in the first.
I really wish Disney put more budget and time behind this to make a special show. But the cynic in me can't help but feel the conveyor belt for Disney plus content is running.
The production values really stick out on rewatch. Small things like the absolute forgettable soundtrack take away from the show.
I won't start on the shaky cam business. I've never gotten motion sickness from it before but this episode and the scene where Obi Wan talks to a Jedi in the first.
I really wish Disney put more budget and time behind this to make a special show. But the cynic in me can't help but feel the conveyor belt for Disney plus content is running.
She has Vader exactly where she wants him! He thinks she is weak and wounded, scared of him, and defeated. Now... the hunt begins.
The memes are really flowing with episode 5.
I felt like this was accurate because Vader is slow and lumbering. Reva was playing to that weakness and trying to maneuver in his weak spot since she knows he can't turn quickly.
That's on top of the fact that if Vader knew Reva tried to kill the Grand Inquisitor the whole time then it makes absolutely no sense to trust her to bring in Obi-Wan. There's no reasonable explanation for her to lead the assault vs Vader doing it himself if he knows she's already betrayed them once and has also failed multiple times at that point to capture Kenobi.
She's the kid of mechanical genius Anakin. Not that far fetched she would have a natural ability with the force.
I thought we all assumed she was in the very intro of the series with the younglings.
I think this show is running into a prequel era Star Wars problem where too many scenes are people just standing in an empty room surrounded by some CG artifice. That stood out to me multiple times this episode. It's like there's no set or set pieces to navigate or interact with. They're just standing, talking, and fighting in empty spaces.
yeah honestly this show has me missing tatooine which i never thought id say
a lot of the sets in this show look like sets. it feels like im watching a stage play.
i would take robert rodriguez any day over this….. something else i never thought i would be saying.
a lot of the sets in this show look like sets. it feels like im watching a stage play.
i would take robert rodriguez any day over this….. something else i never thought i would be saying.
If you had replaced Episode 4 with 10 minutes of spending time with The Path before Reva and Vader showed up this would be a much tighter season.
I'll be honest, I think at least some part of people's problems with the portayal of the force is trying to interpret the Force as some hard magic system with well defined rules when it never was that. Even when the prequels introduced midchlorians they were still super vague "living microscopic creatures that speak to the force" or whatever that means.