Vader controlling that ship must have been the most powerful use of the force we've seen in current canon.
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Obi-Wan Kenobi |OT| Well of course I know him. He's me! [SPOILERS ON EPISODE DROP - NO LEAKS]
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Definitely no room for de-aging in the budget, which was unfortunate cuz from where I was sitting, he looked 40
Yeah, it's symptomatic of 'reveal' based storytelling, and very frustrating. Motivation clarity should always be at the forefront of your storytelling (unless obscuring it is exactly the point of the character), and there's no reason for them to have hidden Reva's background from us for so long beyond wanting to make it a big "ah ha!" moment. Especially as most people guessed she was a youngling from the first episode.
You put that stuff up front so the audience can understand the character and allow a bit of depth to her actions. It would have been perfectly fine to know she was a survivor all this time, and then we suddenly have a personal motivation to latch on to for her pursuit of Kenobi, and another aspect of his 'failure' for us to layer his story with. It gives her eventual turn in Episode 5 space to breathe, as we can even fill in the gaps that over the previous 4 episodes she's been internally struggling with these feelings, and Obi Wan is the final push.
Honestly? The entire series could have been Reva's story. The failure of the Jedi to protect its young, the things she had to do to survive and turn to the dark side, and her turning back - all thematic of Kenobi's internal conflict and feelings about Anakin. Instead they made her out to be a thinly written petulant child. So many meaningful emotional beats that were glossed over or skirted by.
"YOU THINK I DIDN'T KNOW YOUNGLING"
is the hardest I think I laughed at Star Wars dialogue. Anakin can just sniff out children
is the hardest I think I laughed at Star Wars dialogue. Anakin can just sniff out children
My expectations were always super low in regards to the writing. I mean look at the lead writers resume:
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Why was he put on rewriting duties lol? Deborah Chow and Chung-Hoon Chung's work so far has been the most disappointing part. Did not expect that. Is it their inexperience with shooting inside the Volume? Dunno.
Saying this even though I think this episode was the best one yet. It should have been better.
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Why was he put on rewriting duties lol? Deborah Chow and Chung-Hoon Chung's work so far has been the most disappointing part. Did not expect that. Is it their inexperience with shooting inside the Volume? Dunno.
Saying this even though I think this episode was the best one yet. It should have been better.
Vader transport scene
Got me feeling nostalgic for TROS lol. Remember when Star Wars had a budget?
Not a fan of that AT ALL in an episode I otherwise really enjoyed.
It breaks Vader in the OT. If Vader was strong enough to do that then why not do it when the Millenium Falcon is escaping Hoth ..since he was standing right there. If he can grab and manipulate ships on the ground then why not do it in outer space. Why not just force throw the X-Wings going down the trench of the Death Star? This is a retcon of Vaders abilities that I am not a fan of.
I suppose they would justify it by the OT being 9 years later and Vader is older and weaker.
However, in my mind, I always viewed him as getting more powerful in the darkside the longer he is in the suit. So, I dunno.
It was embarrassing how do you not de-age actors for flashback. I agree he looked his age.
Definitively better than last episode. Watching Obi Wan and Padawan Anakin was great; bet Ewan and Hayden had fun doing that scene.
It is still flawed, but entertaining. My only complaint is, again, the shaky camera. If there is indeed a second season, havea different director per episode.
It is still flawed, but entertaining. My only complaint is, again, the shaky camera. If there is indeed a second season, havea different director per episode.
I know it was pretty obvious, but Vader just calling her youngling was pretty funny to me
It's pretty retconny but to me it makes way more sense that he can do this. Dude is the chosen one, the point of the character is that he is stupidly powerful in the Force to an exaggerated degree, and if Lucas knew what the character would become he would have probably depicted that better in the OT. In the Clone Wars Anakin was stomping both Son and Daughter at the same time.
The Vader suit holds him back but not that significantly.
The Vader power discrepancy with the OT is just building us up towards a decade's time when they use Ewan and Hayden and remake the OT lol
Also if Vader can force-pull Obiwan, in ESB why didn't he force-pull Luke at any point during their duel?
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You expected more from the DP of the Uncharted movie? That movie looked like ass
Never seen Uncharted but that DP is Park Chan-wook's DP, on movies like Oldboy and The Haidmaiden which are visually sublime.
Depending on how the series ends next week, for me, the biggest draw back is the pacing of charactor development, and lack of showing it in some cases. Like Obi-Wan's biggest story in this series is his force powers returning to him. There could have been a lot better build up to where his powers come back and he has a revitalization. Also, Reva's story might have been better if it was sped up. Then we got episode 4, which could have been deleted from the series with a little rewriting.
I've personally seen better choreography and mise-en-scène while at film school. Super low budget, on a tight deadline, we had to make do with what we had, but still churned out watchable shit. This show's compositions are unbelievable.
We've had to endure the hilariously stupid forest chase of Leia, Vader's inability to get past a bit of fire, the most ridiculous 'disguise' in recent memory, rebel ships somehow manneuvering in an impossibly small hanger, and the underwater hallway scene. You know, the one where Obi-Wan squeezed through the door completely dry with no leakage on the ground. It's such a simple thing to anticipate while shooting. If you can't be assed to have water spill into the other hallway in his wake, then just have the dude be closer to the exit, stop trying to milk a chase scene out of the moment, it's just stupid. We know he makes it, there's no tension whatsoever.
Even the way the stormtroopers were arrayed outside the blast doors this episode just looked so half-assed to me. They could have deployed some temporary barriers for cover or something, made the antagonists look tactically dangerous, not just because they have superior numbers.
I know this is Star Wars, it's fantasy nonsense, I'm used to goofy shit, but this show's premise and tone imply seriousness, but I'm just laughing every episode.
Also we didn't even get to hear the sweet sound of a thermal detonator. Inexcusable!
I thought that episode was amazing. A few quibbles here and there but nothing that ruined it for me. Loved seeing the flashback, the refugees, the ship trick (I rewound it and it was in the background the whole time), the stormtroopers still can't sim for shit but the shoot outs were so chaotic it didn't diminish anything. Really curious where this ends up.
He's already flying a fast moving ship in ANH, not sure he wants to put himself in additional danger by also trying to force throw another fast moving ship at the same time.
Otherwise Vader in the OT is rarely if ever actually working at full strength. He's usually toying with the protagonists or using them as tools for something else.
He's already flying a fast moving ship in ANH, not sure he wants to put himself in additional danger by also trying to force throw another fast moving ship at the same time.
Otherwise Vader in the OT is rarely if ever actually working at full strength. He's usually toying with the protagonists or using them as tools for something else.
I thought this episode was great.
Based on the reaction from many other people IMO I'm feeling more and more this should have been a movie. The way the story & action is constructed-- it doesn't really work episodically when you watch 4 episodes before you understand the villain's motivation.
With a movie it can start dull and you can raise the stakes as you go, but with a TV show, if you are 5 episodes into a 6 episode run before it feels like there's something real at stake and before you understand character motivations, it's a fail.
Based on the reaction from many other people IMO I'm feeling more and more this should have been a movie. The way the story & action is constructed-- it doesn't really work episodically when you watch 4 episodes before you understand the villain's motivation.
With a movie it can start dull and you can raise the stakes as you go, but with a TV show, if you are 5 episodes into a 6 episode run before it feels like there's something real at stake and before you understand character motivations, it's a fail.
The point of the scene was to show him as a padawan, he wasn't one in Clone Wars.
The way I took the flashback was to mimic Vader still learning from Obi-Wan. He can't help himself. I'd have to watch it again and make notes how I saw that subtext but I can't ATM.
I'm not talking about this episode in particular, just in general, especially after they had that retired clone in the earlier episode. Although I will say that Padawan Anakin is the worst so I would've taken General Anakin during the war flashbacks as well.
He did Last Night in Soho, so he's clearly capable of good cinematography. Not sure why he doesn't do anything good here.
The writer though... those credits are not good.
I think Reva's motivations would have been even more jarring and off-putting if the entire thing was a movie. Reva just last episode was about 5 seconds away from literally torturing a 10 year old child and there was no indication yet at all that it was all part of some plot to get revenge on Vader for killing children. It feels like something really got messed up in the execution of her character arc, or 2/3rds of the way through they decided on a different arc for her? It feels so amateurish that it's hard to pinpoint what it could've been, but it feels wrong.
Vader throwing a saber down down to just someone a chance before telling someone that he always knew who they were is peak Star Wars. That amount of self hatred between the two gives me life.
Apparently, not enough hatred to make sure she is dead, though! The show needed her alive for next week.
Well, it did have a pretty turbulent production. Almost the entire show was re-written because Disney execs weren't happy with it.
Why didn't Vader just grab the lightsaber out of Luke's hand in ESB? It was established earlier in the movie that a barely trained, severely injured Luke could use the force to grab his lightsaber while hanging upside down so why didn't Vader do that in ESB and ROTJ?
You can do this all day with Force powers in SW stories.
Eh, Vader showed she wasn't a danger to him at all. It's more torment to let her live at that point than end her misery.
But you know she'll be a thorn in his side next week. Just ,the bad guys would do the obvious thing.
I liked the prequel style fighting in the flashback. You could never imagine current Vader being able to fight that way in the suit.