Lol I remember that one of my reactions to TLJ when I was first watching it was how the slow spaceship chase was a boring ass version of the chase in 33, the first episode of the Battlestar Galactica remake.
He didn't sound "off" in Rogue One so much as he sounded like an 85-year-old James Earl Jones.Honestly I remember thinking he sounded off in Rogue One so I didn't pay much attention but listening back I can see how it sounds unnatural, yeah.
oh reeeeeeeallyRespeecher is also credited though (or whatever that technology is called)
... yeah, that's literally what I was saying.He didn't sound "off" in Rogue One so much as he sounded like an 85-year-old James Earl Jones.
I don't know, I feel like that perfectly explains why the beginning of the episode felt tonally stronger while parts later in the episode and the ending felt pretty different and weren't as strong, like different people were writing for different scenes.ngl 4 people writing each episode feels like.. a lot.. for this level of return lol
Saw Ep. 3 tonight. Still a very mid-to-low tier show all-around. I liked the interactions with Leia and Ben, as well as some aspects of the Vader/Obi-Wan fight (him burning Obi-Wan is just too perfect), but everything else was a mess.
The editing and direction especially was extremely poor this episode, even more so than the writing, which still isn't great.
I agree with what others have said, this feels like a fan-film, not something officially produced.
Also, although I was initially receptive to the idea, I'm starting to really question the whole "Obi-Wan is off his game, he hasn't been keeping up with his Force exercises" approach that they're taking.
It makes very little sense when you think about it for a second. After RotS, Obi-Wan takes it upon himself to watch over Luke, protect him from any threats, and presumably train him when the time comes. This is further underlined in this show.
If Obi-Wan is planning on training him, or protecting him in any meaningful way, why has he completely cut himself off (seemingly)? Wouldn't he want to be at the top of his game in case an Inquisitor or Vader himself showed up? Even if he doesn't want to draw attention, couldn't he use more subtle Force abilities (mind trick and whatnot)?
Also, upon reflection, I think he's too far away from who his character is in ANH at this point. I mean, in ANH, he's pulling out all the tricks in the book to protect Luke- hell, he chops off a guy's arm without a moment's hesitation when it seems Luke is under threat. How is he going to go from inexperienced jobber to confident Jedi master in three episodes?
And as much as I love tiny Leia, I think it would have been a much better decision to build off of Luke and Obi-Wan's relationship and explore that. It contextualizes their interactions in ANH and also how sad Luke is after losing him. It also wouldn't have caused all these inconsistencies, which- while minor- are starting to add up and get a bit ridiculous.
Cue flashback scene where 10 year-old Reva tis chased by Clone TroopersYup, didn't Obi-Wan send a message during Order 66 in ROTS to warn off-world Jedi not to go to Coruscant? Maybe young Reva was left alone in the turmoil and blames Obi-Wan for it or something
Saw Ep. 3 tonight. Still a very mid-to-low tier show all-around. I liked the interactions with Leia and Ben, as well as some aspects of the Vader/Obi-Wan fight (him burning Obi-Wan is just too perfect), but everything else was a mess.
The editing and direction especially was extremely poor this episode, even more so than the writing, which still isn't great.
I agree with what others have said, this feels like a fan-film, not something officially produced.
Also, although I was initially receptive to the idea, I'm starting to really question the whole "Obi-Wan is off his game, he hasn't been keeping up with his Force exercises" approach that they're taking.
It makes very little sense when you think about it for a second. After RotS, Obi-Wan takes it upon himself to watch over Luke, protect him from any threats, and presumably train him when the time comes. This is further underlined in this show.
If Obi-Wan is planning on training him, or protecting him in any meaningful way, why has he completely cut himself off (seemingly)? Wouldn't he want to be at the top of his game in case an Inquisitor or Vader himself showed up? Even if he doesn't want to draw attention, couldn't he use more subtle Force abilities (mind trick and whatnot)?
Also, upon reflection, I think he's too far away from who his character is in ANH at this point. I mean, in ANH, he's pulling out all the tricks in the book to protect Luke- hell, he chops off a guy's arm without a moment's hesitation when it seems Luke is under threat. How is he going to go from inexperienced jobber to confident Jedi master in three episodes?
And as much as I love tiny Leia, I think it would have been a much better decision to build off of Luke and Obi-Wan's relationship and explore that. It contextualizes their interactions in ANH and also how sad Luke is after losing him. It also wouldn't have caused all these inconsistencies, which- while minor- are starting to add up and get a bit ridiculous.
also - protect luke at all costs - ah fuck leia let her go alone with a random stranger through a tunnel while I look through a window at Vader. Yes I get he was freaked out by him which seem the theme of the show but he should be better prepared.
And as much as I love tiny Leia, I think it would have been a much better decision to build off of Luke and Obi-Wan's relationship and explore that. It contextualizes their interactions in ANH and also how sad Luke is after losing him. It also wouldn't have caused all these inconsistencies, which- while minor- are starting to add up and get a bit ridiculous.
Ugggh the little kid acting is so bad. Obi One's acting is the only thing holding this together
Guess I'm also in the minority that liked how this show portrays Obi-Wan. In many ways it mirrors Luke in TLJ. Somehow it seems people expected Obi-Wan to continue with his sarcasm and be the top jedi he was in the Clone Wars.
10 years alone, with traumas about your best friend, your brother, betraying you, the Jedi Order, the Republic and his wife, killing children and other innocent, watching him burn alive... If he didn't get PSTD, that would be surprising. 10 years later he sees his old student for the first time continuing killing people, children again, without a second thought, and in that big robotic armor, with that horrible breathing sound. Oh, and he might also believe those people died because of him, because he didn't make sure Anakin died in Mustafar. I think this show is doing a great job with Ben.
Another aspect I liked is how they kept Vader intimidating. But also sluggish. 10 years trapped inside that armor and Anakin hasn't mastered his robotic limbs.
Incredibly well said, I don't understand what people were expectingGuess I'm also in the minority that liked how this show portrays Obi-Wan. In many ways it mirrors Luke in TLJ. Somehow it seems people expected Obi-Wan to continue with his sarcasm and be the top jedi he was in the Clone Wars.
10 years alone, with traumas about your best friend, your brother, betraying you, the Jedi Order, the Republic and his wife, killing children and other innocent, watching him burn alive... If he didn't get PSTD, that would be surprising. 10 years later he sees his old student for the first time continuing killing people, children again, without a second thought, and in that big robotic armor, with that horrible breathing sound. Oh, and he might also believe those people died because of him, because he didn't make sure Anakin died in Mustafar. I think this show is doing a great job with Ben.
Another aspect I liked is how they kept Vader intimidating. But also sluggish. 10 years trapped inside that armor and Anakin hasn't mastered his robotic limbs.
Are they doing an ai recreation of James Earl Jones voice? Vader sounded perfect in this episode. He sounded old in rogue one, something changed.
Also, daaamn Anakin burning obi wan was brutal. They portrayed Vader's anger perfectly.
Really liking that between the shows, games and movies the only person who gives Vader a challenge is Ashoka and she loses. Vader is a force of nature for 25 years until Luke in Rotj. A pure implementation of unstoppable fear and power.
As far as Vader's movement goes, in the old EU it was described that Palpatine intentionally put him into a rudimentary suit that wasn't as advanced as it could be. Reason being that the struggle and pain that the suit causes Vader actually feeds into his anger and abilities in the dark side. Not sure if that's still the case in the new lore but I always liked that.
I knew it! When Vader said "You should have killed me when you had the chance!" I was really impressed because it felt like classic Vader's voice but the mannerisms of RotS Anakin. For such a cheesy line I loved the delivery there.I read on Twitter that apparently they're combining James Earl Jones and Hayden Christensen for all the Vader lines? It's a neat idea.
I knew it! When Vader said "You should have killed me when you had the chance!" I was really impressed because it felt like classic Vader's voice but the mannerisms of RotS Anakin. For such a cheesy line I loved the delivery there.
what? He literally says he's going to draw Vader away so that Tala can escape with Leia. It's not "fuck Leia, I'm just going to be freaked out over here" he is making sure she can get away safe! Vader is there for him, running away with Leia only ensures Vader will be on her trail too, which is the #1 mission.also - protect luke at all costs - ah fuck leia let her go alone with a random stranger through a tunnel while I look through a window at Vader. Yes I get he was freaked out by him which seem the theme of the show but he should be better prepared.
huh? a few posts up says otherwise.using AI tech for vader's voice is so stupid
they could just hire a sound-a-like and it'd be so much better
its an emotionless mask, theres not even any lipsyncing that needs to be done
yeah woops haha. i replied before hitting the last few posts
Just imagined Vader saying this with Hayden's voice. And it is on character which is even more funny. Anakin still needs to work to become the Vader machine we knew in the OT.I knew it! When Vader said "You should have killed me when you had the chance!" I was really impressed because it felt like classic Vader's voice but the mannerisms of RotS Anakin. For such a cheesy line I loved the delivery there.
I think that was just an excuse to explain why Grievous had better mobility lol
Your expectations? Obi Wan is reviewing great compared to boba lols. LF greenlit a second season because of the reception.So what is the through line that is making these shows so bad?
LucasfilmSo what is the through line that is making these shows so bad?
Man I want to like this show so much.. I mean it's Obi-Wan and Ewan McGregor! This should have been a homerun. How did they mess up this big? It feels so cheap and cartoonish at times. I can't get that scene out of my head where Obi-Wan sees Vader for the first time and then just joggs off the screen to the right. WHAT THE FUCK.
Lack of imagination.So what is the through line that is making these shows so bad?
It doesn't seem realistic to you that a man hiding in a cave not fighting for 10 years due to his complex traumas and possibly literally harboring the only hope for the galaxy would run away when his former student, who he dismembered and left for dead, starts chasing him with a lightsaber?
Some of you all seem to make no effort to get inside the character's minds and it shows. Obi-Wan in that quarry is not the quipping Jedi Knight of TCW or even the prequel movies, he's a totally broken man.
Now that you mention it, it does feel a lot more like a PT Anakin line than an OT Vader line. Good call.Just imagined Vader saying this with Hayden's voice. And it is on character which is even more funny. Anakin still needs to work to become the Vader machine we knew in the OT.