Ok, forget the "cancel" thing then. What actual damage does internet criticism do, realistically?
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Obama on 'Call-out culture' - "The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws."
- Thread starter vestan
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Come on, "sexual assault", are you serious? Reading signals wrong, and immediately apologizing and pulling back upon realizing hardly consitutes an unforgivable crime. Like we are all unfailable saints. That's exactly what Obama was talking about.
Lol is this even a question? He bailed out the economy from a recession and passed sweeping bank regulations. What part of the white ruling class loved that?
I dunno about that, Jesus never mentioned anything about overturning stuff
Yeah people no longer engage with the idea because everyone's fighting over usage rules, or just doing "lol pronounciation"
The brand prevalent today destroys peaceful discourse and polarizes people to a side. Sometimes for some issues, its justified taking a hard stance. Alot of times its not.
I would consider boldly proclaiming yourself the Son of God to the point of trolling yourself to death as trying to overturn things. Jesus trash talked those in power all the time. You don't get murked if you're harmless to those in power.
1 year. ted kennedy died in august only 7 months after he took office. scott brown won his seat a few months later. that left them with 59 votes in the senate. by then it was too late to pass obamacare through proper channels and they had to settle for reconciliation.
the first year was essentially wasted trying to pass the Obamacare and the $800 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment act. you could argue he couldve done more in the first year, but those were insane times. we were still losing 600k jobs a month and he had to step in to save the auto industry which couldve plunged us into depression if he hadnt bailed them out and saved tens of millions of jobs.
besides, no one couldve forseen ted kennedy dying 8 months in and then MA electing a republican senator. he basically had 1 year to do stuff and he was too busy fighting fires to do anything of lasting value. the fact that he got obamacare through somehow is an achievement of its own.
That's fair. But I'd argue those people wouldn't really be engaging in meaningful discourse anyways.
i guess so, but I'd say the benefits of calling people out faaaar outway the negatives still.
I don't. Internet toxicity has degraded society tremendously. And the only thing gained is that the really shitty people have gone underground to where we can't easily find them.
No one cares about the facts. Im pretty sure most people here would know how much Obama had to fight even in those first two years.
Obama is so dead on the money here. If this god-forsaken presidency has taught me anything it's that nothing is black and white, and a bad deed doesn't negate a good one. Applaud for the good and criticize for the bad, but don't ignore all the good for the bad
I agree about not letting people off the hook who abuse privleges. I did not see Obama saying to do that, at least not in the 2 minute clip linked in the OP. Nor did he say not to call people out, he says that calls out are "not enough."
Not directed at you personally/only, but so many of the defensive reactions in the thread seem to not have even read or listened to what he said. They read the headline about "woke callouts" and immediately started shit-talking and trying to get clap-backs and only furthered his point.
Ah ha! I knew I got the wrong number. Thanks!
Fucking good. We already know deplatforming works. If it's harder for us to find them, it's also harder for the general public to find them as well forcing their shitty views to stay with them.
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I don't really like what he says about call outs being "not enough". I think it's kind of uncool to say that an individual isn't doing enough when they often don't have the power to do much in the first place.
I agree with everything you're saying here and admit that I'm sort of taking what Obama's saying here to talk about more than just "call out culture". I'm definitely guilty of using this as a means to talk about a bigger issue (people abusing their power, privileges).
I don't really like what he says about call outs being "not enough". I think it's kind of uncool to say that an individual isn't doing enough when they often don't have the power to do much in the first place.
Good for you maybe. Deplatforming only works for people who had a platform to begin with. The average POS doesn't and them outing themselves on social media is among the few tools people have to identify them.
There's people who don't have the means to do more and people who do but are satisfied with doing the bare minimum and feeling good about themselves.
Not everything can be forgiven even if the person changes their ways.
Yeah, I guess I just don't really care about those people personally. Let them think they're doing something good, it doesn't really matter.
And unless they're out there spouting off their shit, it's not an issue is it?
Once a POS outs themself, then what do you think happens? They're magically locked up in some jail? Nah. They now can reach other people with similar views or convince others who don't hold those views. Or maybe they go quiet and hide because of "cancel culture"
If they never out themselves and are forced to keep quiet then they are doing no harm outside of being a shitty person with bad views and are basically doing the same thing as if they had been outed.
so again I fail to see the issue with deplatforming (because it is, a space to talk and share shitty views is still a platform) POS people.
The often go viral and lose their jobs for one.
I don't buy the "they can't reach other people" angle. No decent person can be turned into say a racist from online discussions.
cool. They fucked up and lost their jobs. As it should be. If they don't ever do the thing that would cost them their job, they're effectively not adding harm into the world. So, nothing is lost or gained. Once again, deplatforming wins again.
Also you don't know enough about teenagers apparently. If someone is able to make a smart enough sounding argument they will usually listen. I would know I used to work with teens.
If I thought that would be enough for those people, I'd be elated.
God bless that man. How on earth did we go from him to Trump???!
This post is vague nonsensical centrism that extols civility as the most important part of discourse.
Seriously. Peaceful discourse is meaningless in the face of genocide, and many genocides are happening right now