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Trey

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Oct 25, 2017
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As President Trump prepares to leave office with his party in disarray, Republican leaders including Senator Mitch McConnell are maneuvering to thwart his grip on the G.O.P. in future elections, while forces aligned with Mr. Trump are looking to punish Republican lawmakers and governors who have broken with him.

The bitter infighting underscores the deep divisions Mr. Trump has created in the G.O.P. and all but ensures that the next campaign will represent a pivotal test of the party's direction, with a series of clashes looming in the months ahead.

The friction is already escalating in several key swing states in the aftermath of Mr. Trump's incitement of the mob that attacked the Capitol last week. They include Arizona, where Trump-aligned activists are seeking to censure the Republican governor they deem insufficiently loyal to the president, and Georgia, where a hard-right faction wants to defeat the current governor in a primary election.
Republicans on both sides of the conflict are acknowledging openly that they are headed for a showdown.

"Hell yes we are," said Representative Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, one of the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Mr. Trump.

Mr. Kinzinger was equally blunt when asked how he and other anti-Trump Republicans could dilute the president's clout in primaries: "We beat him," he said.
Still, Mr. Trump has vowed a campaign of political retribution against lawmakers who have crossed him — a number that has grown with the impeachment vote. The president remains hugely popular with the party's grass roots and is most likely capable of raising enough money to be a disruptive force in 2022.

Scott Reed, the former chief political strategist for the Chamber of Commerce, a powerful business lobby, said that Republicans should prepare for a ferocious internecine battle. Mr. Reed, who as an ally of Mr. McConnell's helped crush right-wing populists in past elections, said the party establishment would have to exploit divisions within Mr. Trump's faction to guide its favored candidates into power.

"In 2022, we'll be faced with the Trump pitchfork crowd, and there will need to be an effort to beat them back," Mr. Reed said. "Hopefully they'll create multicandidate races where their influence will be diluted."

An early test for the party is expected in the coming days, with Trump loyalists attempting to strip Ms. Cheney of her House leadership role. Should that effort prove successful, it could further indicate to voters and donors that the party's militant wing is in control — a potentially alarming signal to more traditional Republicans in the business community.
Jonathan Lines, a former chairman of the Arizona Republican Party who is supportive of Mr. Trump, said he feared that an insular faction would cripple the G.O.P. at a moment when it needed to be rebuilding.

"It's just destroying the party to go out and try to censure people," Mr. Lines said. "It doesn't show that they're trying to attract new people to the party."

Several Republicans said they hoped Democrats would overreach with their newly acquired power in ways that would unite the G.O.P. "Nothing unites a party like a common threat," said Representative Steve Stivers of Ohio.

Yet Mr. Stivers, who ran the House campaign committee in 2018 and saw how Mr. Trump hurt the party, said he hoped the president would "step aside" in the fashion of his predecessors who have "had their time in the sun."
www.nytimes.com

Post Trump, Republicans Are Headed for a Bitter Internal Showdown (Published 2021)

G.O.P. leadership would like to blunt President Trump’s influence over the party. Mr. Trump and his allies want to punish those who have crossed him. A series of clashes looms.
 

iksenpets

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Oct 26, 2017
6,501
Dallas, TX
I feel like I've been waiting a decade for the Republican civil war to wreck them all, and so far they keep managing to stave it off.
 

stew

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Dec 2, 2017
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If there's every a straw that broke the camel back, it's the congresspeople being involved in January 6th.
 

BeYourOwn3AM

Member
Oct 27, 2017
256
Washington, DC
I feel like we've been hearing this with every Trump scandal for the last four years. Even with the insurrection being a much more severe and visible act on the part of Trump and his supporters, I remain cynical that any more than a few Republicans will make any real, permanent break from Trumpism.
 

SolidSnakex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,413
I feel like I've been waiting a decade for the Republican civil war to wreck them all, and so far they keep managing to stave it off.

This seems particularly unique given the type of people that Trump has created within the party. Because those people don't actually care about Republicans, they care about Trump.
 

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
12,725
I feel like I've been waiting a decade for the Republican civil war to wreck them all, and so far they keep managing to stave it off.

This. They could have problems now, but once they have a candidate, they'll stop fighting again. Plus, Democrats aren't trying to fan the flames or pour oil on it.
 
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Nox Potens

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
844
The only drawback is that this infighting may end up making the fascist side of the Republican party stronger.
 

SasaBassa

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,088
Yall like Zelda? These cats are Demise

Never count them out and stay active. They only win when we get complacent. They're also actively surpressing via MORE rule changes at various state levels, so this is far from over.
 

Dodongo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,462
Fuck Republicans. The majority will find a way to be even more fascist and detached from reality.
 

metalslimer

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,566
Trump literally sabotaged the parties chances in the GA Senate races which infuriated McConnell. It's one thing to be an idiot if you can block progressive policy. But I think the Trump wing of the party is the primary faction at this point or at the very least the vast majority is too scared to speak up.
 

ChrisD

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
4,612
Actual split is never gonna happen. If anything you'll have Trumpists go "Independent" and still vote R all the way.
 

TaySan

SayTan
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Dec 10, 2018
31,469
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Capitol siege may already be impacting Arizona Republican numbers (abc15.com)
PHOENIX — Data from Arizona voter registration statistics over the last week may suggest that Arizona Republicans could already be responding unfavorably to the January 6 breach of the Capitol by Trump supporters attending a "Stop the Steal" rally in Washington, D.C.

According to transaction data obtained from the Arizona Secretary of State, there were five times more requests by Arizona Republicans to switch or remove their party affiliation than their Democratic counterparts between January 6 and January 13.

In the days following the siege at the Capitol, 4,937 Republicans sent in a request to their county registrar of voters to switch or remove the party affiliation on their voter registration. Sixty-seven percent of these transactions designated the voter as "No Party Preference" by removing the affiliation from the voter registration record.

With over 4.3 million registered voters in Arizona, the 7,428 voter registration transactions represent only a small sliver of voters in the state. However, if the trend continues over time, it could have an important impact on state politics for years to come since the Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission will use party registration data as a factor in how districts are balanced out.
Republican infighting is going to cost them AZ so let them fight I say. :)
 

Saganator

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Oct 26, 2017
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If Republicans want to keep their party they need to remember they're supposed to be leaders and they should fucking act like it. That means not bending to the whims of the weakest members and instead set a fucking example for people to follow. Tell the shit lords of their party we're not going to demonize the other side and we're gonna work together, and if they don't like it they can start their own party.
 

stew

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Dec 2, 2017
4,188
I hope it will hurt their turnout. There's no doubt they will always rally behind a Republican whoever they are, but it's not sure that they will keep showing up to vote in numbers if they don't like the candidate.
 

BFIB

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Oct 25, 2017
11,677
I'll believe it when I see it. There were the same articles written when:

-Nixon resigned, and people thought the Republican Party would fall
-Bush lost everything Reagan built in four years to Clinton
-When H.W. Bush and his last four years majorly divided the party and he drug America in two senseless wars, then the party lost in a blowout.
-When Romney lost to Obama's re-election and the party was split
-When Trump ran, and all the moderates were screaming that he would forever divide the party



They all fall in line, every time. Sure, for a while you'll see the extreme right make horrible accusations, and the meanwhile, the moderates will shrug it off (sound familiar?) Then at some point, Biden's admin will do something that will easily unite them again.
 
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Mathieran

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Oct 25, 2017
12,863
I feel like I've been waiting a decade for the Republican civil war to wreck them all, and so far they keep managing to stave it off.

yep... after bush we were so sure the gop was toast. But they're like political cockroaches because they cater to the worst in people. They're the devil on America's shoulder, and they're not gonna fade away easily.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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They all fall in line, every time. Sure, for a while you'll see the extreme right make horrible accusations, and the meanwhile, the moderates will shrug it off (sound familiar?) Then at some point, Biden's admin will do something that will easily unite them again.

This is the key.

They will never hate each other as much as they hate their mutual enemies. The base knows as well as the party that an internal civil war would strengthen the Democrats' hand, and they won't be able to bear it.
 

Septimus Prime

EA
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Oct 25, 2017
8,500
We'll see. People have been saying this since those Tea Party fuckfaces showed up, and, well, look where we are now.
 

krazen

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Oct 27, 2017
13,159
Gentrified Brooklyn
I know people here go nuts when someone says a 'functional' GOP party is needed, but yeah...perhaps a party with less of a dedication to militia nazi's and the Q cult might do less day to day damage considering the free media time they get as politicians to overtly spread their views

Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out on the local level in the states, while they are worried about national implications its not surprising we might have a state ruled by Q adherents in the gov mansion and in its legislature
 
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Chaos Legion

The Wise Ones
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Oct 30, 2017
16,924
Unfortunately this won't kill the party.
They're like roaches.

I'd love for this to be true and hopefully the saner side of the party wins, but I doubt it. I also fear they'll be successful in 2022 despite any internal chaos. Nothing like witnessing progress in America to bring them together in disdain for helping the common man.
 

Arkanim94

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Oct 27, 2017
14,126
It would be fun see the right selfdestruct if those things wouldn't always end up with them ending up being way way worse then before.
 

Dodongo

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Oct 25, 2017
7,462
No matter what happens, conservatives will surely scuttle back out from the shadows to vote R en masse by 2022. It's a cult, and logic/reason plays no part in their voting behavior, so that's what they'll do.

Everyone who is even slightly liberal needs to be ready to vote against them. Be prepared.
 

Ogodei

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,256
Coruscant
I feel like I've been waiting a decade for the Republican civil war to wreck them all, and so far they keep managing to stave it off.

Obama averted it because of how deeply they all hated him. Biden's whiteness will mean they aren't as fixated on their hate for Dems and will have more energy to turn on each other.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
93,184
Nope, not doing this again, we said the same thing in 2008. They always fall in line
 

Beignet

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Banned
Aug 1, 2020
2,638
The GOP always bounces back after their shit backfires on them to the point where it looks like they might collapse entirely or be a permanent minority party. As long as there's "godless America-hating socialist liberals" to rally against, nothing's going to happen to them.
 

darkhunger

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,270
USA
You're seeing it. 10 Republicans just voted to impeach Trump, and he has vowed retribution on them all. The battle lines are explicitly being drawn.
I really have trouble seeing Trump maintain this politician facade for long. One he's going to be distracted by all the lawsuits and legal and financial problems he's going to face, and two he's a lazy ass man who just wants to spend his days at the golf course. And once he fades into the background and his supporters forgets this stuff like they forgot Sarah Palin everything will fall in line again (until the next Trump that is).
 
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Trey

Trey

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Oct 25, 2017
18,014
Nope, not doing this again, we said the same thing in 2008. They always fall in line

The Tea Party dramatically changed the GOP since then, Trump got elected by driving out just enough new voters to secure the swing states necessary for him to win, then he spent 4 years fermenting extreme polarization that lead to the largest turnout in American political history - one where Republicans lost the state of Georgia for the first time in a generation.

This is a completely different political landscape - historic in almost every way. Of course the GOP won't die as a party, but the fractures are fundamentally there, and GOP primaries will be a different sordid affair due to Trump.
 

squeakywheel

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Oct 29, 2017
6,083
I really have trouble seeing Trump maintain this politician facade for long. One he's going to be distracted by all the lawsuits and legal and financial problems he's going to face, and two he's a lazy ass man who just wants to spend his days at the golf course. And once he fades into the background and his supporters forgets this stuff like they forgot Sarah Palin everything will fall in line again (until the next Trump that is).
But look what he did after Obama made him the butt of a joke (deservedly after all that birther crap). Nothing consumes this old-manchild like pettiness and revenge.
 

darkhunger

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Oct 28, 2017
1,270
USA
The reason the US has stuck with a two party system ever since the beginning is because it doesn't make sense for any politician to not fall in line. The nature of the electoral college necessitates that any party must have the potential to get majority electoral votes for it to matter, which means that the two biggest party will do whatever it takes to make people within their parties fall in line, and for politicians to associate themselves with one of the parties to get support and funding... Even during the country's biggest crisis, the Civil War, the two parties were able to survive and evolve ( the Whig party became the Republican Party but they were essentially the same thing in the end). Trump isn't going to change that.

The Tea Party dramatically changed the GOP since then
the tenant of the Tea Party was small government and reduced deficit. That's literally the opposite of Trumpism. And hilariously many people have been part of both movements. As long as there's someone or something for racists and fascists and gun nuts to align themselves to they don't give a crap about the policies that are actually being called for.
 
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Tryphosa

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Dec 22, 2020
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I feel the biggest advantage now is that people will take the joke candidate much more seriously and not just stay home and trust the polls.