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NYT: 'Weak', 'Shill', 'A Total Failure': Proud Boys turn on Trump

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The NYT is reporting that in group messages between members of the Proud Boys, there is growing anger towards Trump over his capitulation in the fight over the 2020 election results and the lack of pardons issued to members charged in the Capitol Riot. The article notes that the Proud Boys are not alone in this anger; other far-right extremist groups previously dedicated to Trump are also expressing anger towards Trump.

As Mr. Trump departed the White House on Wednesday, the Proud Boys, once among his staunchest supporters, have also started leaving his side. In dozens of conversations on social media sites like Gab and Telegram, members of the group have begun calling Mr. Trump a "shill" and "extraordinarily weak," according to messages reviewed by The New York Times. They have also urged supporters to stop attending rallies and protests held for Mr. Trump or the Republican Party.
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"When Trump told them that if he left office, America would fall into an abyss, they believed him," Arieh Kovler, a political consultant and independent researcher in Israel who studies the far right, said of the Proud Boys. "Now that he has left office, they believe he has both surrendered and failed to do his patriotic duty."

The shift raises questions about the strength of the support for Mr. Trump and suggests that pockets of his fan base are fracturing. Many of Mr. Trump's fans still falsely believe he was deprived of office, but other far-right groups such as the Oath Keepers, America First and the Three Percenters have also started criticizing him in private Telegram channels, according to a review of messages.
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Some Proud Boys became furious that Mr. Trump, who was impeached for inciting the insurrection, did not appear interested in issuing presidential pardons for their members who were arrested. In a Telegram post on Friday, they accused Mr. Trump of "instigating" the events at the Capitol, adding that he then "washed his hands of it."

"They thought they had his support and that, ultimately, Trump would come through for them, including with a pardon if they should need it," said Jared Holt, a visiting research fellow at the Atlantic Council's DFR Lab. "Now they realize they went too far in the riots."
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www.nytimes.com

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.
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Imagine how naive you'd have to be to shape your entire identity around a billionaire conman and having the audacity to be upset when he cons you.
 
Zip

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Fools of the highest order if they genuinely thought he had any concern whatsoever for them. Maybe they'll realize they are/were being used as useful stupid pawns.

Probably not.
 
Richiek

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Fascists abhor weakness. Once you show signs of weakness they'll kick you to the curb. That's what happened to Richard Spencer after he got punched.
 
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Fools. Trump used you and then tossed you aside when you had no more use to him. Like the motherfucker has been documented as doing for literally decades. Yet dumb motherfuckers keep thinking that somehow it won't happen to them.
 
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Of all the things Trump promised, loyalty was never in the cards for him, from day 1.

I can only presume that these people mistook Trump continually posturing for authoritarianism/right wing rhetoric as loyalty, because when you look at everything else the guy barely pays the people who work for him.
 

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Called it before the election, trumps base are obsessed with trump but I said then and I repeat now, his base wasn't just the die hards but also normal GOP die hards who went all in on trump because he won. Now he lost and gave up in their eyes there will be at least a good chunk that hate him and see him as weak because the GOP hate losers and turn on them insanely fast for it.

I hope the split trump caused in the GOP base lasts because it would be nice to actually have america have leadership that can bring the usa forward to at least start to catch up to what a lot of other Western developed nations have as standard rights, but that would take years and honestly a lot of hope and wishes for the democrats to force the "moderates" in their party to accept how far behind a lot of other countries the usa is when it comes to basic rights and needs of the people.
 
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Winny（๑•̀ㅂ•́）و said:
Imagine how naive you'd have to be to shape your entire identity around a billionaire conman and having the audacity to be upset when he cons you.
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Honor among thieves, right?

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My parents arent proud boys (lol)

But are diehard trumpers and along with thinking the world is going to end as biden supervillain destroys it all.. are starting to say stuff like "how could Trump let this happen, how could he let them steal the election, why didn't he do something"

When you've convinced your followers that you are some God Emperor with plans on plans on plans, and then tell everything has been stolen from you by evil people... they have to square that circle some how.
 
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Sure, they're upset now, but give it 4 years and we'll see how many of them won't jump at the chance to support him once more if (somehow) he ran for reelection again.
 

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Sayuz said:
Sure, they're upset now, but give it 4 years and we'll see how many of them won't jump at the chance to support him once more if (somehow) he ran for reelection again.
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A lot of them will. A lot isn't enough for him to win. There's also the problem of him having no direct social media access. Ask Milo how easy it is being a troll without mainstream social media access.

The thing about Trump is that he's more of an idea than a physical person to the worldwide right wing. Asia sees him as the God Emperor who will smite China; Europe sees him as the God Emperor who will make white supremacy great again; a lot of the blue collar men hold resentment towards policies that put racial minorities and women into positions of power and so forth. QAnon, regressive politics and Trump go hand in hand because he is whatever people want him to be and his inability to admit fault has the unintended (or intended?) effect of making everything he does look like 5D chess to his crowd.

When you listen to Sky News Australia talk about Trump, that guy does not exist. It's something they made up in their minds through propaganda, reading too much QAnon shit and getting high off both supplies.

Imagine their shock when their God Emperor couldn't even banish Horus to the Shadow Realm and hook himself to the Golden Throne to act as a beacon of light for humanity. Trump literally cut his losses and fled to Florida overnight like a bitch. In this world, Biden won and pushed Trump out of the airlock.
 
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This is the part where they look for a smarter fascist.
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Pretty much. Trump is over but these people aren't going away.

I think it'd be harder to find a specific person like Trump again though, he wasn't just fascist. There was a whole lot more about him that was very appealing to a wide, often male, audience. His whole decades long cultivation of a "NEVER LOST" persona and business image is something that a lot of people would struggle to create.
 
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