It's not actually clear. The latest Trump Con Law actually talks about precisely this.
Turns out it was all verbal agreementHow is this even a possibility? It's like the US allows their president to act like a king. That is not democracy.
How is this even a possibility? It's like the US allows their president to act like a king. That is not democracy.
If this somehow works, all Biden has to do is get some people to act as if Trump wasn't pardoned, hold a trial, and mete out whatever imprisonment is determined by the court.
Is that illegal? No problem. Biden can simply pardon himself and the others involved.
This is a joke, to be clear. Unless...
This. The party has no shot in high level office positions by playing fair game. 2024 is gonna be a shit showRepublicans have to play every move like a sleazy political chess game to keep their fragile and volatile base from canceling them and supporting a different (R). So there's a lot of placation, dodging questions, and thoughts like oh nothing like that will happen. It's finally blown up to epic proportions.
Can someone explain what this would entail?
So like, from my understanding this would absolve him of various nondescript "Crimes" he may or may not have committed as president/during the presidency, right? And states like NY, etc would still be able to nail him on state crimes?
Or does this just blanket cover everything?
This could create some interesting scenarios. For example, if the legality of a self-pardon didn't hold up, would it be needless self-incrimination?It's not actually clear. The latest Trump Con Law actually talks about precisely this.
Can someone explain what this would entail?
So like, from my understanding this would absolve him of various nondescript "Crimes" he may or may not have committed as president/during the presidency, right? And states like NY, etc would still be able to nail him on state crimes?
Or does this just blanket cover everything?
It's not an absolution, a pardon simply forgives the crime, so no punishment is given. The conviction still occurs, and is on the subject's permanent record.
Agreed. It would definitely harden the resolve of any state level prosecutors.Ironically I feel like a self-pardon would make him more likely to be charged with something than just fucking off quietly. Nobody wants that precedent to be set.
How is this even a possibility? It's like the US allows their president to act like a king. That is not democracy.
Yes, he can. It is pretty much carte blanche and can be used that to pardon even potential crimes where there aren't even any charges yet.Can you pardon someone who isn't actually convicted of anything yet? I suppose as a non-American I might not quite understand how pardons work, but I would imagine it's not a carte blanche but instead tied to a specific charge?
Presidents are literally held to respect their office on the fucking honor system in this country lolHow is this even a possibility? It's like the US allows their president to act like a king. That is not democracy.
The US allows the incumbent President so much power, that they're effectively kings for four years. It's incredibly undemocratic.How is this even a possibility? It's like the US allows their president to act like a king. That is not democracy.
He would have to admit he committed crimes in order to pardon himself.
He hasn't even been charged with anything yet.
He might actually be setting himself up for jail time if he admits he committed crimes and then the court throws out his pardon.
Yeah, this is probably how it would play out... and most of his crimes probably have a state crime component.
He'd probably do a blanket pardon, but that similarly needs to be tested in court.
Yup NY closed the loopholeAny self-pardon Trump carries out could likely be treated as a confession.