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NYT: Trump Is Said to Have Discussed Pardoning Himself
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But according to him he hasn't done anything wrong so there shouldn't be a need for a pardon right? š
Here's hoping Pence pulls a Claire and ignore his ass until the inauguration.
Here's hoping Pence pulls a Claire and ignore his ass until the inauguration.
It's basically a race against time at this point, if they will manage to remove him before he pardons himself and everybody else.
Although, even if the removal happens, I'm sure he'll have at least some forewarning, so not sure what's stopping from just doing in then in the last hours before it's made official.
To be honest the prospect of mass pardons for himself and his cronies is the one thing that annoys me the most and unfortunately I know that there is 99% chance it won't be possble to stop it, or do anything about it even afterwards.
Although, even if the removal happens, I'm sure he'll have at least some forewarning, so not sure what's stopping from just doing in then in the last hours before it's made official.
To be honest the prospect of mass pardons for himself and his cronies is the one thing that annoys me the most and unfortunately I know that there is 99% chance it won't be possble to stop it, or do anything about it even afterwards.
hes trying to save himself from the unfair and very mean democrats that will make up crimes to come after him. hes only doing this because he has to!
Right. He wants to run for President in 2024 and he'll lose the Trump supporters if he invokes the 25th.
If I were a prosecutor, those would be the first points I'd attack the moment he did try to pardon himself.
I do wonder if he has done all his pardons already and they just get revealed at whatever time they choose or something. It would be a bit risky to not do them and you get removed from office, incapacitated or die.
I hope one day his whole family/empire goes bankrupt and we can start taking down all his monuments. "Trump Tower?" Now we call it "Your Name Here."
Yes.
This would also imply that you are guilty, and basically asking the next AG to investigate you. Which would inevitably come before the Supreme Court whether self-pardons are constitutional.
Please do it.
Even if he escapes prosecution (which is quite likely anyway), this would set a critical precedent, where each current Supreme Court member would have to vote.. on public display.
Unfortunately, he still have the much savvier option of just granting pardons to his cronies, and then accept to renounce, in condition of being cleaned by Pence.
Even if he escapes prosecution (which is quite likely anyway), this would set a critical precedent, where each current Supreme Court member would have to vote.. on public display.
Unfortunately, he still have the much savvier option of just granting pardons to his cronies, and then accept to renounce, in condition of being cleaned by Pence.
Just those specific advisers and family members though. Not others, who weren't involved in...uh nevermind.
I think you are right. But at the same time I hope he realizes that his life was very literally put in danger by Trump himself. He would have not even blinked an eye if those terrorists strung up Pence in the Senate chamber.
Which will be an interesting case to follow. Aside from ACB who is just flat out unqualified, most conservative justices are fairly strict constitutionalists. If the founders had wanted the president to be able to pardon himself they'd have made it explicitly clear he could. I doubt any court wants to be the one that says that the president can simply pardon himself whenever he gets into hot water.
The scary thing is that once he does this, and he will because he's Trump, that's a Rubicon crossed. No president going forward is going to limit their own expanded power; the presidency just moves on within those expanded bounds as it has in the past
Meanwhile his little ass-kissers will hope to be pardoned, but he's too worried about himself to pardon the ones that will be arrested for yesterday
Doesn't he needs to be trialed and convicted first? Else it would be preemptive immunity or something?!
Yes, but only if the crime was conducted in the past from the point of the pardon. If you're pardoned, then go on to commit more federal crimes, you can be charged and convicted if guilty. Trump and his spawn are incapable of stopping committing crimes, particularly white collar (financial) crimes. Their entire existence is wrapped up in financial corruption. They could be pardoned for all the shit they've done up to the point of pardon, but then get nicked for continuing to act in a criminal manner, which they 10000000% cannot stop doing.
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It would be the surest way to make sure he faces consequences and also probably the easiest way to get a clear precedence/ruling that it is NOT how it works at all. It's obviously a travesty, but I couldn't see even the craziest of the crazy judges ruling that it is within his right to declare himself above all laws.
A pardon is a clemency, so a conviction without punishment. "Admitting to" something is immaterial.
Like he's scared of the abuse his entire scummy family have committed.
Pardon yourself from what, Don? You only need a pardon if you committed a crime. Got anything you want to tell us?
It's been done before but I don't think it's actually ever been tested in court. Johnson pardoned people in the confederacy and Carter pardoned vietnam war draft dodgers but it's never been tested.
This video does a great job going over it:
Won't make a difference with state charges, doofus.
AND Iran had issued a warrant for his arrest for the assassination of Qassem Soleimani.
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I don't think even the ball-washiest SCOTUS would allow it. It would grant the executive branch complete and total power.
And he legit thought he was the best so much that he was willing to go to any length to steal a 2nd term.
Wow...this POS is really determined to completely break US democracy.
I bet fascist wannabes in the US are looking at all the pathways this dumb-ass is creating for them.
I bet fascist wannabes in the US are looking at all the pathways this dumb-ass is creating for them.
Ok, I'm not really following how he can pardon himself then. In advance? How would that even work? Doesn't he have to face charges to be pardoned from?
edit: I see now that my question was a bit fuzzy from the start. I didn't mean admit to a crime as much as be cetrain that he would be prosecuted for one.
