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Not really sure it has worked, Trump hasn't gone up in polls at all. I think he can still be damaged by this quite significantly.
Apparently you can be the subject of the President's ire, attacked by him, slandered and libeled by his propaganda mouthpieces on Fox news, and attacked by the whole of the Republican Party for the entire length of your investigation and still be surprised that your results are handled disingenuously by your targets Attorney General.
It would be criminal to leak grand jury and/or classified information directly to the public. Especially as a civilian. Barr wouldn't hesitate to pull a Reality Winner on him (she's still got 3 years left, last I checked).
Barr's redactions will inform on where this goes next, as it's obvious his memo was designed to simply control the narrative for one news cycle. If he cuts the sections on conspiracy and obstruction to pieces under the rationale that convictions aren't forthcoming, it will be exceedingly obvious the intent is to hide the appearance of wrongdoing. At the very least, if he doesn't allow the SC's original section summaries to be released unaltered, he's playing games.
My dad and I have been discussing the whole report thing a bunch and I always said the most transparent thing would've been a summary that was written by mueller himself without any damaging info that could be released. I can't believe he actually did that and that was still covered up. There must've been some really damning information even in those to not release them as well.
I still can't believe the media is so quick to bend over backwards to try and seem unbiased against trump. Polls have been showing that the summary really didn't do much to influence people's opinions though so I'm really curious to see how this stuff does.
Also if there is summaries with no classified info then I hope the second that someone else gets those copies they'll leak.
I still can't believe the media is so quick to bend over backwards to try and seem unbiased against trump. Polls have been showing that the summary really didn't do much to influence people's opinions though so I'm really curious to see how this stuff does.
Also if there is summaries with no classified info then I hope the second that someone else gets those copies they'll leak.
That this narrative still exists when Mueller's own team is saying otherwise is just sad.
You know, for being really smart people the Mueller team comes across as super naive.
WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED that a republican hack would protect the republican president.
WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED that a republican hack would protect the republican president.
If you don't want your years of hard work undermined, don't decline to make a call on obstruction despite your evidence and leave it up to Trump's DOJ to interpret how to present that to the public. I don't doubt some are frustrated, but it just strikes me as incredibly naive that they expected anything different.
They probably did. That's probably why they made it incredibly obvious the report was meant for public. Then Barr's caught with his pants down. I mean what else can they do? He was essentially their boss and these are incredibly professional people.
Yep.
I still have faith in Mueller. He is a legal genius who thinks several moves ahead, and you can bet your house he knows Bill Barr better than anyone else in the public sphere. Mueller's team either are not aware of the long-game Mueller is playing here, or they are deliberately leaking particular ideas to shift the narrative. Maybe even both.
But whatever is happening, Mueller is guaranteed to have considered its probability thoroughly.
It's important to note that since the investigation has wound up a number of people on the team have now left the DOJ. In doing so, they are no longer beholden to the rules of the DOJ provided they do not release classified information.
Regardless of perceptions of their naivety, they still must conduct themselves professionally. You can't just have Barr release a summary, then come out and say it's bullshit. It's not the order of things. It will come out in time. If any of them were to go "rogue" it would just feed into the partisan witch hunt narrative.
Direct your anger at Barr and the Trump administration. They've tried to get out and control the narrative wrongfully before the report gets released through the proper channels. Legally, there is nothing the Mueller team could have done differently, it has to go through the AG.
This kind of thinking got us into this mess. I want to believe, though.
Hahaha, perfect. Yes, I'm reminded of Ned Stark going to Cersei and explaining all the dirt he had, to her only, and saying she should leave quietly. Next day Joffrey was on the throne and he was fucked.
From a WaPo writer:
Also, Rudy last night:
vs Rudy Mar 24th
We're right back where we started.
It's safer to assume that old guard Republicans still operate under the assumption that nebulous things likes "checks and balances" and "basic decency" will keep blatant criminality at bay. Comey is still publicly deferring to Barr. I wouldn't put it past Mueller to genuinely believe that a former DoJ colleague wouldn't twist his words to help a corrupt president.
Also, Rudy last night:
vs Rudy Mar 24th
We're right back where we started.
It's safer to assume that old guard Republicans still operate under the assumption that nebulous things likes "checks and balances" and "basic decency" will keep blatant criminality at bay. Comey is still publicly deferring to Barr. I wouldn't put it past Mueller to genuinely believe that a former DoJ colleague wouldn't twist his words to help a corrupt president.
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Hang them all. Build the gallows on the White House lawn.
Maybe, but it may also show that the report, no matter what it says, won't dramatically change minds. We should still know the truth, it just may not be worth the brain cells wondering how it affects his approval.
I realise it's criminal (that's why I mentioned exposure) but I didn't assume it would be leaked in its entirety or directly to the public - I was assuming a leak to Congress so it's still as close to SOP as possible while serving under a corrupt government. I also postulated that someone of Mueller's stature is a different kind of whistleblower than Reality Winner (which would be the reason why everybody under Mueller is on background.)
That Barr is playing games is already obvious based on his confirmation hearing vis a vis his behaviour in recent weeks.
It's frustrating that the good guys keep putting their faith in checks and institutions that are actively being dismantled around them. The US is going the way of Italy, Brazil and Indonesia while everybody is passively waiting on some magical system kicking in to halt the descent into corruption - that didn't work out too well for those other countries.
I for one am pretty bitter about this. I can only get so angry at Trump, but the people we put our trust in, these mueller investigators are the ones who have let us down. For 2 years they raised our hopes and found nothing to charge him with. How do you look at someone like trump for two years and find nothing. the guy is as corrupt as you can get. we all saw him obstruct justice on live tv. he literally said he fired comey for the russia thing. what more do you need?
you know hes a pathalogical liar, interview him and get him to lie. do something. no, they sent questions so his lawyers can answer them. they spent two years trying to get pawns like Manafort and Papadoplous and couldnt get them to turn on trump. same goes for Stone. they spent two years digging into his finances and couldnt find a single thing to charge him with? That could mean two things; trump is clean or these guys on Mueller's team fucking suck at their jobs. they have no right to bitch about how Barr didnt include the incriminating details in his summary because they themselves didnt do anything with those incriminating details and they had two years to do so. And while i would love to be relieved that our preisdent isnt a traitor, i dont think trump is clean. he wouldnt have acted like a guilty person for two fucking years if he was. i bet he was shocked their didnt find anything.
you know hes a pathalogical liar, interview him and get him to lie. do something. no, they sent questions so his lawyers can answer them. they spent two years trying to get pawns like Manafort and Papadoplous and couldnt get them to turn on trump. same goes for Stone. they spent two years digging into his finances and couldnt find a single thing to charge him with? That could mean two things; trump is clean or these guys on Mueller's team fucking suck at their jobs. they have no right to bitch about how Barr didnt include the incriminating details in his summary because they themselves didnt do anything with those incriminating details and they had two years to do so. And while i would love to be relieved that our preisdent isnt a traitor, i dont think trump is clean. he wouldnt have acted like a guilty person for two fucking years if he was. i bet he was shocked their didnt find anything.
Basically. Mueller's team had one job, and they've allowed a Trump crony installed to manipulate their findings into a narrative that favors Trump to... do exactly that.
It's a little optimistic to expect there's some sort of 4D chess at work here by Mueller, when Comey, his disciple, was similarly naive. That's not to say that good things couldn't happen, the full report be released, or Mueller's team combat Barr's narrative, but damage has been done and public preconceptions formed.
The puzzling thing about that read is that Mueller himself warned eloquently of 'iron triangles', the confluence of corrupt government, amoral business and organised crime as a clear and present danger.
If he felt that strongly about the risks, surely he would recognise it in the shape of the Trump administration and all it drags along?
It's not directly about the polls, it's about the report itself, which can affect poll numbers.
If they have convinced a large enough segment of the population that the report is a settled issue, then it will look like the Democrats are grasping at straws to them.
Don't forget William Barr's Son-in-Law Just Landed a Job Advising Trump on "Legal Issues" too.
Clearly Trump projects an "aura of confusion" that makes anyone who gets too close to him or observes his activities too closely an incompetent mess.
Then that to me looks pretty good for Trump. Yes he was maybe manipulated, but he did not know that. So I don't think the report will do anything. And also Mueller wrote that Trump didn't do any collusion. So what are we still trying to get?
Mueller is very by-the-book.
If a doctored copy of the report is released, he would comment. But otherwise, he'll let the system play out. It's not his role to make his own report public. If Congress asks him to testify though, he'd likely show up without hesitation.
I'd still want to know why everybody of consequence on Team Trump was meeting Russians on the regular and consistently lying about it. Especially after being warned about these activities by the FBI.
The media has really shown us that they are truly incompetent to handle someone like Trump. They were so quick to print huge headlines of him being exonerated with zero concern of it being false.
They didn't take into account his lies in regards to situations like this in the past? Pathetic and irresponsible reporting all around. Call Trump out.
They didn't take into account his lies in regards to situations like this in the past? Pathetic and irresponsible reporting all around. Call Trump out.
The "he's too stupid to know he was being used" defense looks good? It's not criminal, but it's also not a good look for a leader.
This right here lines up with exactly what I have thought all along. Mueller isnt an idiot. I knew his team provided a pre-redacted report. Or in this case, a report that was already ready for the public with very few redactions to be made if any.
This is a fucking take over of our democracy, folks. We are seeing it in real time. Democrats in power are not attacking this hard enough. They are either spineless or they too are caught up in this report somehow. There seems to be no eagerness to get this out there from either side and its scaring the shit out of me.
I too would like to be on this short list to see the report. I do enjoy exclusivity, I don't even eat at a restaurant unless I have a reservation.
The reality is that they can't handle this the way you want them to, they're going about this the right way.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Posts like this are laughable. Let me see the report. You have a link?
You might be right, but there is no precedent for how to handle something of this magnitude. We have the AG lying about the report to cover for trump and his cronies. We have the special counsel coming out and saying that Barr's summary downplayed the seriousness of their work. The Dems dont need to act out of character, but I would like to see a tad more urgency from them given the seriousness of all of this.
The bold is the desired outcome from the book report a few weeks ago.
