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[NYT] Hours After Biden Inauguration, Federal Agents Use Tear Gas in Portland
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You've a completely upside-down impression of what anarchism is, Masterz. Like, we've talked politics before. You're completely off-base with this.
Yeah. We're already reverting to the typical fear-mongering of anarchists as chaos demons whose single-issue policy is "bomb" and crocodile tears about broken windows.
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In Seattle, I don't think Tear gas was used, but it definitely was in Portland.
Oh a task force, well, problem solved.
No, this (social unrest) is going to continue until a sufficient number of detained families have been released and compensated. Hopefully all of them, but I can see motivation petering out at around 90%.
You guys don't seem to get that direct action is a continuous thing. It's continuous by design because you can't flip protests on/off like a switch. You need to keep people engaged and energized. Every protest lays the groundwork for every future protest. Protests that don't sustain engagement die out, like OWS.
On top of this general idea, the PNW is home to a lot of radicals on either end of the spectrum so it gets crazier there first.
For certain and that alone seems so ridiculous in the year 2021.
I had the opportunity to teach a number of (illegal) immigrants in the past and I always felt they perfectly encapsulated the American Dream. These people would work all day and then come to my ELD class at night to learn English.
Remarkable people really.
Then again, I live in SoCal so when anyone starts blathering about immigrants from Mexico, I remind them that we are now in what used to be Mexico.
So, you know, maybe we're the visitors. :)
No it doesn't.
Crocodile tears? How so?
I did not know that. I appreciate the clarification.
We have been in an unprecedented event of political unrest for a while now. That's why these people are out there.
Folks who reserved judgment last summer when police precincts were burning, and now coming at it from the complete other end. Reads false to me.
He also signed a deportation 100 days moratorium, a draft on citizenship path for immigrants, ended the Muslim ban as well as action on DACA.
If that doesn't give you an idea of where the wind is blowing, well, I can say they have their head in the sand.
I won't cry for windows or defend tear gas in this case, but it's really not the best way to push your agenda into a new administration
Portland has had protests almost daily since the spring, this is nothing new.
You skipped the first half of my post.
I meant specifically attacks on a political apparatus. That being said I don't live in the PNW and haven't kept up with the Portland protests other than knowing they're ongoing, so I'm all ears if I'm off base on anything.
This is the dumbest shit. Sentencing and bias needs to be handled better, but some people just need to gtfo of society
Good thing Fox News and Newsmax aren't any kind of measure for truth or a source that the left should be worried about.
So? The protests will end once all the problems that ignited the protests are gone, this has been true since the start.
"We promise to do better" was never going to satisfy them. You seem to think that the protests were waiting for a sign of things "getting better" to pack up and go home. I can tell you now that this is not how I understand their operation. They're waiting for things to have gotten better, in the classic "don't count chickens before they hatch" way. When their demands are met is when their motivation will die out for good. No amount of promises, signals, or gestures, will change that, or so I hope.
People should realize that both side have nut jobs and both blame each other when they do stuff that doesn't seem appropriate.
A reason why black people during last summer for the BLM protest had to stop white guys from being violent because again, it does nothing for the movement but hurt the movement.
A reason why black people during last summer for the BLM protest had to stop white guys from being violent because again, it does nothing for the movement but hurt the movement.
The point is, these are not promises. A deportation moratorium is real action and goes against what ice is about. It's missing the forest for the trees.
Fox News and Newsmax are going to push their narrative past 100 no matter what. I wouldn't much about the optics -- they'll make up stuff if they need to to keep their audience terrified and watching. Any time they run out of other shit they just make up a migrant caravan.
I don't think it will particularly hurt their cause all that much more than previous violent protest have.
I was asserting that it won't help. Which means that, at best, it's pointless destruction. Which, as I said, is stupid.
People like Trump, his family and other treasonous members of his administration and the GOP belong in prison, sorry.
I think it helps show that these protesters are more than just pawns of the Democratic party. They have own political agendas that they will keep fighting for regardless of which party is in charge.
Their are plenty of ways to show that without pointlessly destroying property. Like the rest of the stuff they were doing -- signs, speeches, chants, marching, etc etc etc.
Pointlessly destroying property is stupid.
How many families under detention have been freed by the EOs, 0%? Okay. I'll check back on the protests when that number is around 50%.
The protestors hopefully measure the success of their movement in the same way I do; literal physical change in the circumstances of the oppressed.
Signing a sheet of paper is not a "real action". Well some people think it is, but some people (myself and probably these protestors) don't. Here is a trivial example of the difference. It is the difference between signing a bill that allocates $X million dollars to combating child hunger versus literally giving food to children.
Destruction of property has been and will continue to be a perfectly valid form of protest.
The operative word in my post was "pointlessly." That being said I've pretty clearly answered your initial question of why it's stupid, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree beyond that.
Abolish prison. Abolish the cops. Abolish landlords. Abolish work. Guarantee healthcare for all. You cannot begin to tackle white supremacy and capitalism until you do that, although I guess liberals have never actually wanted to tackle those things. I shouldn't be disappointed with the responses in this thread and yet it still bums me out.
Better things are possible folks. If some people destroyed some property and it reminded people "oh yeah I said I cared about this stuff last summer" then that is a win. Force the assholes and chuckle fucks to take their masks off and say they care about windows and property more than progress.
Better things are possible folks. If some people destroyed some property and it reminded people "oh yeah I said I cared about this stuff last summer" then that is a win. Force the assholes and chuckle fucks to take their masks off and say they care about windows and property more than progress.
Keeping the protests alive and in the news cycle is well worth the "property damage", IMO.
If you wanted to get really macro with it, fixing property damage injects economic activity into the construction sector so it has financial benefits on top of social (awareness) and political (morale).
If you wanted to get really macro with it, fixing property damage injects economic activity into the construction sector so it has financial benefits on top of social (awareness) and political (morale).
Yeah, we gotta purge those dirty commies. God bless America.
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Time for Biden to bring back the House Un-American Activities Committee so when can get to bottom of this.
I guess you and that poster believe in utopias then. But here in the real world thinking you can abolish all those things is deluded.
Saying "your idea for a utopia isn't realistic" isn't at all close to saying "better things aren't possible."
They're not wrong though, "back to normal" is what got people here.
Nothing inherently wrong with Anarchism, stop believing what Hollywood told you.
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The Conquest of Bread
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I'm sure calling other people's beliefs utopian is a good faith engagement.
If you completely abolish everything wouldn't gangs just take over? What about human trafficking, and what about all the other countries in the world, some of whom are nuclear states? Who would control our own nuclear stockpile? Who would provide for all the elderly, the disabled, kids in foster care etc?
Then please explain how anything in society works if you eliminate prisons, police, landlords, and work.
You didn't actually respond to my post. Saying "your idea is [utopian/unrealistic/preferred similar adjective]" isn't at all close to saying "better things aren't possible."
What adjective would you prefer?
Again...
I actually think it's really funny you seem to think we need landlords, compared to those other 3. Just the most useless, parasitic part of our society lol
Anyway, it will require drastic restructuring of our society, including... *whispers* socialism. I don't want to derail this thread TOO much but you can always come to the socialism OT in hangouts if you want to talk to some comrades!
I'd prefer "we can't fix our society by reforming the same institutions that brought us here in the first place" but that's a mouthful.