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kambaybolongo

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Oct 25, 2017
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a black jr. senator with "hussein" under his name a few years after 9/11 - running against a clinton - was quite the fucking moonshot at the time. not quite 1:1 with beto's situation, but goes to tell you never know
you never know? sure, I'd buy that. But he was built up as the second coming of christ for months before and after he ended his campaign and even when it was painfully obvious that he was out of his depth.
Didn't Trump lose to Ted Cruz in Texas as well and by a bigger margin than Beto?
why are you comparing Trump's primary to Beto's senatorial general election?
 

Jon Carter

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Oct 27, 2017
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why are you comparing Trump's primary to Beto's senatorial general election?

Because you said "a congressman coming off of a losing senatorial campaign (to TED CRUZ of all fucking people)" as if Ted Cruz was so weak an opponent that losing to him is a feat. In reality, the most popular Republican and the country's current president couldn't beat him either. Beto's campaign was incredibly impressive, and downplaying it is revisionist history.
 

Chaos Legion

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 30, 2017
16,907
Imagine if he had the same balls when it came to attacking billionaires and corruption.
Imagine if he was still as progressive as he first appeared back in the early Texas run days.
Maybe he'd still have a chance.
Ah yes, bemoaning billionaires takes balls. If only certain "progressives" in blue states actually had that same courage with regards to gun violence.

*roll eyes*
 

Halbrand

Member
Oct 27, 2017
19,615
What is he going to be born to do now?

Poor guy. I guess. Also, Obama reportedly met with him and convinced him to run, lol.

I hope that teaches Obama the lesson that he needs to rethink his political instincts.
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kambaybolongo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because you said "a congressman coming off of a losing senatorial campaign (to TED CRUZ of all fucking people)" as if Ted Cruz was so weak an opponent that losing to him is a feat. In reality, the most popular Republican and the country's current president couldn't beat him either. Beto's campaign was incredibly impressive, and downplaying it is revisionist history.
Dude what? Trump destroyed Ted Cruz in the primary. Yes, Cruz finished second but it wasn't remotely close.

As for winning Texas over Trump in the primary

1. Trump is far more popular now with republicans now than he was as a candidate back in 2016
2. It's Cruz' home state
3. Are you seriously trying to argue this?
 

lacer

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
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Oct 25, 2017
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Because you said "a congressman coming off of a losing senatorial campaign (to TED CRUZ of all fucking people)" as if Ted Cruz was so weak an opponent that losing to him is a feat. In reality, the most popular Republican and the country's current president couldn't beat him either. Beto's campaign was incredibly impressive, and downplaying it is revisionist history.
comparing a primary election competing for a single parties votes with six candidates vs a head to head election between two parties is... not a good comparison
 

Malleymal

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Oct 28, 2017
6,283
I feel like trump put the squash on him when he first entered the game, making fun of his arm movements and all. Then he bombed the first debate and that was it.
 

digit_zero

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Oct 27, 2017
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Glad to see the race starting to thin a bit, but still a ways to go to trim the excess here.

Realistically probably should be down to just Biden, Warren, Bernie, Pete and Kamala. Don't see any sort of path of viability elsewhere
 

Jon Carter

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Oct 27, 2017
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Dude what? Trump destroyed Ted Cruz in the primary. Yes, Cruz finished second but it wasn't remotely close.

As for winning Texas over Trump in the primary

1. Trump is far more popular now with republicans now than he was as a candidate back in 2016
2. It's Cruz' home state
3. Are you seriously trying to argue this?

Yes, I'm seriously trying to argue that losing to Ted Cruz for Beto wasn't, as you suggest, a sign that he would be a weak presidential candidate. There's a reason a lot of people saw him as a possible front-runner and he raised a record amount of money in his first 48 hours. You're trying to make his run less impressive than it was to make it look like it was always obvious to you that Beto had no chance.

comparing a primary election competing for a single parties votes with six candidates vs a head to head election between two parties is... not a good comparison

I'm not making a 1:1 comparison, it was just to point out that simply losing to Ted Cruz doesn't mean what the other poster suggests. There are different types of losses, you can't just look at the result of who won that race and say "This guy had no chance as a presidential candidate!"
 

Byakuya769

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Oct 29, 2017
2,718
as somebody who laughed off obama in 2006 (or '07, don't remember) i had a feeling the same thing was going on here. but nah

funny how unpredictable this stuff can be. i would've thought warren and to a lesser extent biden would fizzle out pretty quick too

You honestly just seem bad at political predictions, man...
 

Deleted member 37151

Account closed at user request
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Jan 1, 2018
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I thinks it's sad he's dropping out. He had some things to say, and whenever he was given a chance to talk, he always impressed me with his energy and passion.

But

He wasn't great at debates or fundraising.

Isn't that why America keeps getting shitty politicians? Being good on a debate stage isn't the important thing people seem to think it is, and the debates aren't structured in a way that allows thoughtful and articulate candidates to flourish. They allow people like Donald Trump to flourish. As much as he's an idiot, he's not bad with a quip. 'You'd be in jail' (I get that the implications of this are disgusting, but on the debate stage, it's funny, gets a laugh and distracts from any real policy. Hence why debates are bad)

He quit because of a lack of money. That's bad, man. You should need 100s of millions of dollars to run for president. You shouldn't need to have TV ads going 24/7. You should just need dedicated and hard working volunteers.
 

Critch

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Dec 10, 2017
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User Banned (3 Days): Inflammatory generalization, conspiracy theory

Or, at least in my case, I genuinely think Bernie sticking around like he did in 2016 hurts the frontrunner. There's no path to victory for an 80 year old socialist with a heart condition and the most questionable history of any of the main non-Tulsi candidates. He's just taking as much money as he can from his cult and its sickening.
 

Deleted member 7148

Oct 25, 2017
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I liked Beto, but he had no chance. Dude should aim lower than president. Try congress or senate. Same with Buttigeig.
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or, at least in my case, I genuinely think Bernie sticking around like he did in 2016 hurts the frontrunner. There's no path to victory for an 80 year old socialist with a heart condition and the most questionable history of any of the main non-Tulsi candidates. He's just taking as much money as he can from his cult and its sickening.
I don't know dude. Biden was best buds with Strom Thurmond and other segregationists. But yeah, Bernie is the one with the questionable past
 

StraySheep

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Oct 26, 2017
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Honestly he was still one of my favorites. Like in the top 5. Especially with the turn Pete is taking...
 

Nocturnal

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or, at least in my case, I genuinely think Bernie sticking around like he did in 2016 hurts the frontrunner. There's no path to victory for an 80 year old socialist with a heart condition and the most questionable history of any of the main non-Tulsi candidates. He's just taking as much money as he can from his cult and its sickening.

You do realize there is an 80 year old who voted for the Iraq War and Patriot Act and Wall Street Bailout,
Just take Biden's own words commenting on the Wall Street Bailout, which he voted in favor of: "It's socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor," but also "if we did not bail them out, we would have been in a position where there was a literal depression, not a recession."
Is he actually walking the walk now as Candidate President, nope he doesn't want to bail out the poor. He just wants incremental change unless you are a billionaire and you get exponential growth in wealth

not for independents

LOL

Why Sanders Does Better With Independents

So why is Sanders doing so well among independents? It appears to be driven not by their ideology so much as their dislike of partisan politics. And that has implications for Sanders's prospects in the upcoming primaries in New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and Maryland, all of which are closed to non-Democrats. Understanding why Sanders does so well among independents in the Democratic primaries can also give us hints about his appeal to moderate voters should he make it to the general election.

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danm999

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Oct 29, 2017
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I don't know dude. Biden was best buds with Strom Thurmond and other segregationists. But yeah, Bernie is the one with the questionable past

And the other front runner was a Republican for decades.

I think her conversion was sincere and I am glad it was made, but comparatively that's a way more questionable past.
 

Pwnz

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Oct 28, 2017
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VP or the next Ted Cruz election. He isn't going to beat Cornyn especially after his stronger stances on guns. But in 4 years with Texas shifted to tossups he'd win.
 

Gyro Zeppeli

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Oct 27, 2017
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You all need to chill. The only viable candidate in 2020 is McAfee. He has the dominance of cryptocurrency in mind first.

Beto never stood a chance.
 

Deleted member 7148

Oct 25, 2017
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Conservatives hit Twitter hard to taunt this man tonight and it's a shame to see.
 

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Or, at least in my case, I genuinely think Bernie sticking around like he did in 2016 hurts the frontrunner. There's no path to victory for an 80 year old socialist with a heart condition and the most questionable history of any of the main non-Tulsi candidates. He's just taking as much money as he can from his cult and its sickening.
Bernie has like the least questionable past of the current candidates except for Warren and Buttigieg. Harris has a pretty poor record as DA/AG, Biden has a ton of segregationist baggage, Tulsi is....Tulsi.
 

Figgles

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Oct 30, 2017
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At least he has the integrity to bail out now. He's the second best candidate after Bernie. 90% of these trash candidates need to go.