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MOD EDIT: This story is about a young man who was uncomfortable being kissed. He would have said no if asked. How he feels after the fact does not change what happened.

Don't use this thread to rationalize unwanted physical contact or making physical contact without consent. Do not dismiss that this person did not want to be kissed. Be conscious of this when discussing this event.


An ABC American Idol contestant received an unwanted kiss from Katy Perry which has drawn controversy: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/style/katy-perry-kiss-american-idol.html

March 14, 2018

The first kiss of an aw-shucks teenager from Oklahoma, delivered by a superstar singer, might have made for a sweet pop-culture moment in a previous era. But as the nation re-examines sexual conduct and power dynamics in workplaces and in the media, the kiss didn't land well with all viewers.

When Benjamin Glaze, at the time a 19-year-old cashier from Enid, Okla., auditioned for "American Idol," he had hoped his big moment would come as he belted out "Stadium," a song he wrote himself. That or Nick Jonas's 2015 single "Levels."

Instead, it came when the popstar Katy Perry, a judge on the show, surprised him by kissing him smack on the lips, moments before his audition. He had never been kissed before.

"I was a tad bit uncomfortable," Mr. Glaze said by phone this week, after the incident aired on the season premiere. His first kiss was a rite of passage he had been putting off with consideration. "I wanted to save it for my first relationship," he said. "I wanted it to be special."

"Would I have done it if she said, 'Would you kiss me?' No, I would have said no," he said. "I know a lot of guys would be like, 'Heck yeah!' But for me, I was raised in a conservative family and I was uncomfortable immediately. I wanted my first kiss to be special."

"Have you kissed a girl and liked it?" asked Mr. Bryan, making a coy reference to Ms. Perry's first hit single, "I Kissed A Girl." Mr. Glaze said that he had not. "I have never been in a relationship and I can't kiss a girl without being in a relationship."

At that, Ms. Perry stood up. "Come here," she said to Mr. Glaze. "Come here right now."

Ms. Perry motioned for him to come over to the judges' table and stuck her face toward him. "One on the cheek?" he said and she smiled. He quickly touched his face to her cheek. She asked for another kiss, complaining that he hadn't even made the "smush sound." As he moved toward her cheek again, Ms. Perry swung her face toward him and kissed him quickly on the lips. "Katy!" he yelled, as he stumbled backward. "You didn't!" Ms. Perry raised her arms in victory.

"It was a forced sexual act," one viewer posted in reply to American Idol's tweet: "Imagine if this was from a male judge. Has @katyperry not taken anything from the #metoo movement?"
 
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CloseTalker

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If genders were reversed, the dude in Katy's position would be raked over the coals. Especially if the person on the other end voiced being uncomfortable with it.
 
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YaBish

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The power dynamics of this are fucked... She's literally there to judge him and if he'd refused, it would've probably screwed his audition.
 
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"I wanted my first kiss to be special"

Was this not special? It seems to have made the fucking news.
 

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The power dynamics of this are fucked... She's literally there to judge him and if he'd refused, it would've probably screwed his audition.

No need for power dynamics impacting his audition. He sucked all on his own.

Regarding the kiss:

It was innocent. Sheesh.
 

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Auros01

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If genders were reversed, the dude in Katy's position would be raked over the coals. Especially if the person on the other end voiced being oncomfortable with it.

Yep. This is literally our society's double-standard at play. Regardless of how the individuals felt... if it was a guy in Katy's position, this would be a huge deal.
 

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I think that the expectations that guys are supposed to be horndogs that enjoy this even if without consent is part of why we see the issue happening the other way. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of people in this thread criticizing him for not wanting it. If this wasn't ResetEra and people weren't concerned about getting banned, I'd expect to see a post accusing him of being gay, just going by the attitudes I've seen in response to similar situations.
 

Clockwork

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I'm sure a lot of sexual offenders would claim that their actions were purely innocent as well.

Apples/Oranges

Whatever you say I guess. She should totally pay for these actions!

*shakes fist* *outrage*

Let us not pretend if the genders were revered, people would be calling this innocent, especially post #metoo.

If it happened in exactly the same way as on the show? I wouldn't care and would say exactly the same thing I did.
 

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basically making fun of the kid for not having kissed a girl before

perpetuating the idea that men are basically required to have extensive sexual experience or else they're losers
 

BriGuy

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If genders were reversed, the dude in Katy's position would be raked over the coals. Especially if the person on the other end voiced being oncomfortable with it.
Yeah, I suppose this is true. Upon reading it, my first reaction was that this dude was being over-sensitive, but if it was a girl being forcibly kissed by a male judge, I would immediately see the problem with it. I guess it's a good learning opportunity.
 

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It's not cool that it happened without him being totally comfortable. But also Katy Perry.
 

Xiaomi

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He kissed a girl and didn't like it.

(no but seriously that's an inappropriate thing to do to someone)
 

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I'd feel better about this if he hadn't specifically said he didn't want to kiss someone outside of a relationship. Bad optics but I guess when your show reboots any press is good press so the producers are probably happy with Katy.
 

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Apples/Oranges

Whatever you say I guess. She should totally pay for these actions!

*shakes fist* *outrage*
It's not about outrage. It's about making people understand the consequences of their actions. I doubt she recognized the harm she was doing, but she and anybody else on a position of power should take this as a learning experience.
 

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Katy Perry: "I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing him. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Grab 'em by the cock. You can do anything."
 

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The dudes entire gimmick/backstory is that he loves his job as a cashier because it forces girls to talk and say hi to him. Him and Katy deserve each other—creepy predators. Lock them up and throw away the key.
 
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John Rabbit

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If this had been a man, this would be a bigger problem.
If Katy Perry wasn't broadly considered attractive, this would be a bigger problem.

This was a dumb move on her part especially considering what he said before-hand.
 
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Hasn't Katy Perry been really tone deaf on race relations issues as well? Not really a surprise that she'd also be tone deaf on consent and gender ones as well.
 

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Dude wanted it to be with his first girlfriend. Special as in someone he had strong feelings for.
She barely kissed him ffs. Geez, why make a big deal out of this? It's not like she stuck her tongue down his throat! Funny how after the kiss he was bragging to his family on the show, but now he's making an issue out of it. Can't believe this is being made into an issue. There are SO MANY more things that we can (justifiably) outrage over...
 
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This screenshot NYTimes has of the specific scene described in this section:

Ms. Perry motioned for him to come over to the judges' table and stuck her face toward him. "One on the cheek?" he said and she smiled. He quickly touched his face to her cheek. She asked for another kiss, complaining that he hadn't even made the "smush sound." As he moved toward her cheek again, Ms. Perry swung her face toward him and kissed him quickly on the lips. "Katy!" he yelled, as he stumbled backward. "You didn't!" Ms. Perry raised her arms in victory.

Looks really awful and bad, Katy Perry looks very happy and the dude next to her wearing the hat seems to be laughing and pointing at the contestant who received the unwanted kiss from Katy:

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Off topic:

"tad bit " is redundant. It's not as bad as "on accident" or "heighth" but it's on my list.

Another aspect of the kiss was that it's part of an obviously deliberate marketing effort by Perry's team. I think he'll be fine but I wouldn't want to be the punchline in a marketing skit regardless of how prudish I was.
 
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She barely kissed him ffs. Geez, why make a big deal out of this? It's not like she stuck her tongue down his throat! Funny how after the kiss he was bragging to his family on the show, but now he's making an issue out of it. Can't believe this is being made into an issue. There are SO MANY more things that we can (justifiably) outrage over...
While I think it wasn't her right to do it, yeah, it's not the end of the world.
He still hasn't had his first real kiss.
 

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While I think it's unfortunate that she kinda "made" him kiss her, he said he doesn't feel it was sexual harassment. Plus he almost sounds grateful because he got more air time and more interest in his music because of it.
 

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While his reasoning is super old-fashioned and borderline insane (protecting your first kiss like saving your first time for marriage level of insane), he's also within his right to refuse and feel harassed/assaulted for being unwantedly kissed by someone.
If genders were reversed, the dude in Katy's position would be raked over the coals. Especially if the person on the other end voiced being uncomfortable with it.
Exactly.
 

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basically making fun of the kid for not having kissed a girl before

perpetuating the idea that men are basically required to have extensive sexual experience or else they're losers
Yeah I mean this is the most egregious things in the world, but it was wrong of her to do and there seem to be a lot of double standards afoot, and this as well as trur
 
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