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IIFloodyII

Member
Oct 26, 2017
23,979
I used to love his stuff, fell off a few years ago, but he would always make me laugh, just tragic it ends like this. Mental Health care will continue to not get the attention and resources it needs to prevent stuff like this, which makes it even more tragic.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,348
A thread was posted about what eventually became Etika's suicide note when he posted it, which was treated with a callous response by many Era members including a moderator. The administration has seemingly made it clear that nobody in that thread is going to be punished. https://www.resetera.com/threads/et...-video-that-seems-to-be-very-suicidal.124467/

I don't quite get how this stirred a controversy. I always found the guy obnoxious and that combined with all his breakdowns I suspected that he has some kind of mental problem. I think it was sensible to close the thread since at that point in time there was no way to tell 100% if that really was the case. I also get why people where angry at Etika for what he said. There was just no way to tell if it was a mental illness or just his supposed schtick.

I was actually hoping after not hearing about him for a while that he finally found the help he needed. A shame it had to end this way. There is no denying he made some people happy, even if I wasn't one of them.
 

Lothars

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,765


He's going all in and it's well deserved IMO. Tells everyone all they need to know about the true nature of the majority of this community. Before today I assumed that these people made up a small portion of ERA, but now I'm honestly not sure anymore.
I'm sorry that's not even remotely true it's the majority of the community.
 

Sixfortyfive

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,615
Atlanta
Serious question. Sort of a tangent but not really:

What's the typical outcome, and what action should be taken, when and If a genuinely mentally troubled poster on this site goes off the rails and starts making a scene?
 

ChristianH94

Member
Apr 14, 2019
492
I just got off work, and as much as I'd love to share my thoughts as someone who has the exact same disorder Etika had someone actually messaged me via discord and requested I share what I posted in another thread that was locked as it was post about what it actually means to have bipolar disorder and how it affects you. After reading some of the posts on here, I actually agree and it's something that still needs to be said as Bipolar disorder, especially type 1, is something that is outright impossible to empathize with unless you've had an episode yourself or have like a PhD in the subject

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This is a long post but the past like… I think three or four threads about Etika have been locked as they turn into a massive argument over is he bigoted or is he just suffering from mental issues. Part of the problem with these arguments is that I sincerely think a lot of you don't really get it, and I don't say that to be mean spirited: I say this is somewhat out of concern and willing to help explain some stuff. Now I don't say this with pride although ever since Etika's been having problems I've been talking a lot more about it than ever, but I actually have been diagnosed with, if what I was told about him is to be true, the exact same mental disorder that Etika has and in 2014 I actually had a few episodes where I ran away from home with the intent of suicide. Unfortunately mental health is something you really only understand if you're a true expert and I'm talking PhD level expert, or if you've had an episode yourself; for everyone else it's almost impossible to empathize with because it's almost like people like Etika or anyone else who has something like this are from another planet entirely.

I could actually try and explain what really went through my mind at the time if anyone would like, but as I was typing it up for this post I read it and like… it was just a garbled mess going through my mind, which is how it goes with this disorder. To sum up what ended up happening, around late September of 2014 I quit a college program I was in and wrote a bizarre cryptic suicide message that I left for my family, pawned one of my most treasured posessions for a measly 20 dollars, and took a bus up to NYC to jump off the brooklyn bridge and make an example of myself. I ended up not doing that and instead went straight into the brooklyn library and started writing really crappy Kindle ebooks under the guise I was a genius rebel under the sacred holy trinity of god and that my new day job was being a writer and my night job was going to Times Square and panhandling by holding a sign up that said I needed a pretty obscene object I'm not gonna describe so please donate. It was pretty dumb, and when I finally came to, I ended up apologizing to my parents and moved back but just one month later had a similar episode happen yet again.

It was absolutely stupid and to be honest a lot of times deep down I knew it was stupid, but it just kept on happening anyway. It was like there's a billion things going on though my mind at once and I can't even focus and hold anything down and then a lot of times you're either so depressed you can't even get yourself up out of bed or you're out there trying to change the world in some shape or form. It's like you're fine sometimes, and then all of a sudden you either do something really cool and great as having something like bipolar does catapult you to doing awesome things sometimes; for instance, there's been several studies that have shown that close to like 90% of entrepreneurs have some type of bipolar. At the same time, though, it also can catapult you to doing some truly awful things under ridiculous circumstances that make no sense whatsoever like the thing I described or in Etika's case: all the crap that have been starting flame wars on here like nothing else.

The hardest thing is that seeking help is something you need to do, but there's only so much "help" can do. Ever wonder how Etika's gotten out of these psych wards so fast? The same reason I got out so fast in a lot of my own stupid incidents: it can cycle with the snap of a hand at some points meaning Etika probably was 100% sane when he gets taken out of these hospitals. It's because of this that a lot of times doctors actually can be a bit wary of prescribing any medication at all because becoming dependent on them can cause bigger issues, and maybe god forbid being on something like xanax when you're not going through a depressive phase. It takes a LOT of therapy and alternating medications to truly treat something like this, and on top of that it also takes super strong will to even understand when you're about to or already going through a hypomanic or manic episode and calm yourself down as no matter what you're on that can happen easily with the snap of your fingers. It sucks.

The good news is though that it is treatable and I think everyone shouting for Etika to get offline for good just don't get it at all: I'm willing to bet one of your favorite performers, activists, writers, or even youtubers has something similar going on. The problem isn't exactly social media overload even though it seems that way, once again this is where the disconnect happens: the problem is that Etika himself needs to learn to properly manage himself which I'd imagine taking a break from social media would help in that but making the grand standpoint that he's permanently ill is missing the point, and I'd actually argue is sort of inhumane. Etika's a human like anyone else, and yeah when people have issues you need to get those in check, but the idea of taking away a man's passion and dreams and career just because you personally don't think he's capable is just not right… at all. I'm willing to bet there's at least one of your favorite performers, artists, politicians, musicians, designers etc who suffer through the exact same things who would never have created the thing you enjoy if they had listened to that mentality. Look at it this way: people with a disability are going to struggle a lot in life, and there's gonna be a lot of pain and struggles to go along with it, but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to try.


And then for everyone who shouts that Etika's a bigoted asshole who is faking things for attention… he ain't faking anything for attention, all of these incidents are like weird cries to try and make sense of all the nonsense going on in his mind at once: take it from a guy who's actually had it happen to him. Does that excuse him for saying a lot of hurtful nonsense? No, much like how I'm sure I'm gonna regret a lot of the stuff I've personally done during my episodes the rest of my life… in fact I've actually been suicidal over some of the things I've done because I knew they were wrong and had ZERO excuse for them, and no this wasn't a manic episode kicking in, this was legitimately me feeling remorse and regret and wanting to punish myself in a way that I believed and in 2016 I actually was going towards some train tracks to put my head under them and let myself be crushed as an atonement of sorts. I told a few people that I knew I loved them, and one actually convinced me to call the suicide hotline which I did… and I guess long story short I'm now typing this up.

People who have issues like bipolar aren't fucking monsters, i want to make that clear. I've seen this idea that Etika and really anyone who've done something awful during an episode are these hard hearted monsters who are only out there to hurt everyone else and get away with it by crying mental illness… Harassing someone over shit like that, when it's clear that's not who they are and clear they regret it, doesn't somehow lower their nonexistent power levels like a boss' HP: it makes them feel actual emotional pain as they already regret what they've done but now here comes some people kicking them while they're usually already down. I know it's hard to understand that people doing something doesn't mean they truly meant it, but that's just how this disorder rolls a lot of times. Now it's great that we regret what we did, but does that excuse our actions? Once again, no… but we also never were asking for an excuse, guilt actually overtakes a lof of people who have this and I've heard that's possibly one of the reasons why suicide is so insanely high for people who've had manic episodes… and as someone who's been in a similar situation like Etika's: he ain't faking it. Even if he ends up being found alive, this is a cry for him trying to atone for some of this shit as he even states himself in his video. I was lucky in my case that my screw ups were never the laughing stock of the world, I gotta say though that I'd imagine Etika's heart is being torn to shreds over this whole thing.

Apologies about any typos, by the way; I typed this entirely on an iPhone keyboard and wanna post it before anymore flame wars over this happen because I think it needs to be said, it's also 2:30 AM and I'm about to pass out"
 
Jun 17, 2019
397
That kind of idealistic "solution" is how we end up with sites like 4chan and voat.

Mods should steer discussion and lead by example. The previous Etika thread ended up being the way it did because mods were unwilling to steer the discussion in a productive manner (and in some cases, joining in).

That's a problem, but it's a fixable problem.
I don't really want to wade into the discussion about the moderation stuff, so this is the only thing I'll say, but there is a vast middle ground between intense overmoderation and being a lawless hellhole like 4chan.
 

Resiverence

Member
Jan 30, 2019
517


He's going all in and it's well deserved IMO. Tells everyone all they need to know about the true nature of the majority of this community. Before today I assumed that these people made up a small portion of ERA, but now I'm honestly not sure anymore.

Stay here long enough and you become desensitized to that kind of shit. Fuckin' hell.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,510
I don't quite get how this stirred a controversy. I always found the guy obnoxious and that combined with all his breakdowns I suspected that he has some kind of mental problem. I think it was sensible to close the thread since at that point in time there was no way to tell 100% if that really was the case. I also get why people where angry at Etika for what he said. There was just no way to tell if it was a mental illness or just his supposed schtick.

I was actually hoping after not hearing about him for a while that he finally found the help he needed. A shame it had to end this way. There is no denying he made some people happy, even if I wasn't one of them.
No way to tell? That shit became a pattern, something was clearly wrong.
 

Dreamboum

Member
Oct 28, 2017
22,865
I mean, one of the biggest problems with mental health is that a lot of mental health disorders have built-in safeguards designed to prevent themselves from being addressed. Depression is a bastard, because it knows how to make you appear just lucid enough that a hospital that would want to help you can't help you because the law prevents them from holding a lucid patient against their will. I've literally seen it happen with my own brother - the kid needed real, long-term help, but he was able to feign lucidity long enough that the doctors had to release him and he was right back to spitting venom and threatening to kill the rest of my family within days. He walked out of rehab early no less than five separate times.

We talk so much about access to care, which is certainly important, but the thing a lot of us don't talk about is the fact that mental health issues are insidious and will do everything in their power to remain untreated, to re-establish a level of toxic normalcy that eats the sufferer away from the inside out even when they WANT to get help on some level.

How can we treat people who don't want to be helped? And how can we treat people who know they need help but their disorders make it possible for them to walk right out of a treatment center without addressing the underlying problems that got them in in the first place? Mental health is such a complicated beast and there seems to be no right way to handle it, no right way to talk about it. Every brain is different and every person needs to be handled differently, and I don't know if contemporary human society is equipped to DO that.
I can understand that but at least let the country give me access to these resources to help someone. I couldn't even do anything in the first place. If that person decided to leave rehab or circumvent welfare check, then at least I tried something. And that something can make a difference.
 

Bass2448

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
565
Because they refuse to host an discussion on how they responded and lack of response beforehand, to the point where it only makes matters worse, drawing outside attention.



This is my biggest issue with this community. There is no forgiveness or benefit of the doubt (when applicable). Someone says X, And the community immediately damns them to hell. Now...its backfired.

Sometimes the best way to approach certain behavior, is with love in your hearts. Not anger and outrage.
 

TheJackdog

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,644
I absolutely agree with this sentiment, AdolRed. Shame on the mod staff for handling this issue the way that they did.

if reset era is supposed to be a place that allows the discussion sensitive topics civilly, and is as progressive and inclusive as it presents itself to be, the moderation here needs to be held to task when the ball is dropped this bad. plain and simple. as does its community. that said, moderation is supposed to support a community, not cull it.

too often does discussion immediately become damnation of people who are genuinely trying to hear other sides, and who are open to having their minds changed

if not, it is just a closed minded and absent of logic and fairness as those on the other 'side' we call insensitive and cruel on here often.
 

PK Gaming

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,331
Jul 18, 2018
5,863


He's going all in and it's well deserved IMO. Tells everyone all they need to know about the true nature of the majority of this community. Before today I assumed that these people made up a small portion of ERA, but now I'm honestly not sure anymore.

Let's say each post is one member. ~350 members saying that is still a very small portion of ERA members.
 

Lunatic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,833
Oh god this is horrible news to wake up to.

Like most people who go through the same thing as Etika, it comes off looking like predictable wolf cries after so long, until it finally happens. That's what makes it so hard to fight against. Fucking disappointed to constantly see Era threads full of people, even mods falling for this over the months.
 

Kinsei

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
20,549
I don't quite get how this stirred a controversy. I always found the guy obnoxious and that combined with all his breakdowns I suspected that he has some kind of mental problem. I think it was sensible to close the thread since at that point in time there was no way to tell 100% if that really was the case. I also get why people where angry at Etika for what he said. There was just no way to tell if it was a mental illness or just his supposed schtick.
I feel like all doubt about it should have gone out the window when he had his altercation with the police.
 

Jadusable

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,020
You may not believe that but painting the community as shit isn't accurate or even true. It's a disservice to the community.

I'd argue that having dozens of prominent members claim Etika was just wanting attention in his posts about suicide and not having anything literally any action done about them is more of a disservice to the community.
 
Jun 17, 2019
397
I love that this forum has progressive values in terms of racism, gender equality and phobias. But I hate the way it sometimes treats offenders, pure internet bullying.

There are basic rules for how you talk about other people even if they did or said something really shitty.
Like in Etikas case, some people actually thought it was okey to ridicule his suicide message because he had posted racist tweets. Its insane.
This is one of the most consistent problems with online liberal spaces that there is a certain orthodoxy and prevailing attitude, and one aspect of that attitude is that anytime someone does something wrong (it appears to do something wrong) they are permanently persona non grata forever, and there is no attempt to understand what they did or why they did, just piling on forever.

Which is one of the key reasons I drifted towards being a socialist/leftist, which even those communities struggle with that at times too.
 

NameUser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,018
I am in no means trying to defend what he said in these tweets but I want to point out the very real possibility that he could have been intoxicated during these tweets, further separating him from reality, knowing his alcohol habits.

Regardless, now is not the time and I am done responding to anything else that is not the respect the man deserves, for he did a lot of good for a lot of people during his time on Earth. Etika will be sorely, sorely missed, and I am still incredibly sad to know that his burdens ended up far outweighing his passions.
Not to excuse any of that garbage, but in his final video he said he was just trying to be edgy for the sake of it basically, and all of it backfired. Someone who fires crap like that off is clearly just looking for attention. Sadly I feel like that's what some YouTube viewers want, just someone who just acts like they don't give a shit about anything like PewDiePie. It's gross and sad really.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,074


He's going all in and it's well deserved IMO. Tells everyone all they need to know about the true nature of the majority of this community. Before today I assumed that these people made up a small portion of ERA, but now I'm honestly not sure anymore.

That is NOT an accurate representation of this community. Pretending that it represents what this community is about is just downright disingenuous on your part.
 

loquaciousJenny

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,457
I get that, but at the same time suggesting going dark on someone with suicidal tendencies never works.
They're not going dark on him. Fans are not friends, no matter how much the modern influencer system wants to make you think you are. The only thing you could do as a fan of Etika is stop watching his meltdowns and let the people in his life help him.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,293
Serious question. Sort of a tangent but not really:

What's the typical outcome, and what action should be taken, when and If a genuinely mentally troubled poster on this site goes off the rails and starts making a scene?
By a relatively anonymous online community? Probably nothing, actually. Avoid aggravating the person further and perhaps reach out to people they trust who might be able to help them, if they have any of those still around. Aside from that, have a more educational, less ableist and more open conversation around mental illness in general to make people struggling learn more about their issues and seek help before it reaches a point of no return due to self isolation.

if reset era is supposed to be a place that allows the discussion sensitive topics civilly, and is as progressive and inclusive as it presents itself to be, the moderation here needs to be held to task when the ball is dropped this bad. plain and simple. moderation is supposed to support a community, not cull it.

too often does discussion immediately become damnation of people who are genuinely trying to hear other sides, and who are open to having their minds changed

if not, it is just a closed minded and absent of logic and fairness as those on the other 'side' we call insensitive and cruel on here often.

Then please make a serious thread about how ERA handles mental health discussions instead of shitting up a thread about a deceased person, jesus wept.
 

Patison

Member
Oct 27, 2017
575
Thread about Etika 'losing it again' is Era's handling of mental issues in a nutshell. People calling him dumb, piece of shit, attention whore, that he's doing it for publicity, shitload of 'fuck that guy'? Sure, that's cool, even if mods should be aware of the context.

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Shit like that? Banned. Fucking ridiculous.

RIP Etika. I hope that everyone struggling with mental health will get proper treatment. I know that I did but who knows what would happen to me if I engaged with communities such as Era more often during my darkest days.

I don't think the issue has anything to do with staff or how moderation is handled. I think it has everything to do with a community that jumps to cancel or dunk on people, lacks basic human empathy, and generally isn't interested in having discourse or conversation about most topics. There's not enough moderators in the world to fix the problems that this community has. There's no magic rules that can fix it either. It can only be fixed by the community, within the community. While the community will always hold a close place in my heart, it is part of the reason I stepped down as community manager.

No, it cannot be fucking fixed by the community because you will get banned for backseat moderating. Do you even hear yourself?
 
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Lothars

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,765
I'd argue that having dozens of prominent members claim Etika was just wanting attention in his posts about suicide and not having anything literally any action done about them is more of a disservice to the community.
It doesn't reflect the whole community and well it was a bad thing, it also doesn't reflect the community as a whole or even the majority of people.
 

Deleted member 1238

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,070
The moderation on this forum in regardsto mental health issues is severely lacking. Just today someone made a thread asking for sincere advice about a possible porn addiction, and the thread is full of users making jokes, talking about what porn to watch and swapping porn titles, which is all incredibly disrespectful behavior when someone is reaching out to this community for assistance with their mental health.

The many past threads on Etika, particularly his suicidal posts, were full of people suggesting he was just 'crying wolf' which is not a fucking thing when it comes to suicidal ideation. Posts like that should at least get a warning, if not an outright temporary ban. The mental health thread here is a great resource, but the larger community has a huge empathy problem when it comes to mental health (addiction, suicidal ideation, depression, triggering/trauma, etc.) and the moderation is not doing enough to address it.
As I said: we need to treat each other better. But that has a lot to do with the community. Mods can only do so much. WE, the community, need to be better too.

I think SweetNicole said it pretty well:
I don't think the issue has anything to do with staff or how moderation is handled. I think it has everything to do with a community that jumps to cancel or dunk on people, lacks basic human empathy, and generally isn't interested in having discourse or conversation about most topics. There's not enough moderators in the world to fix the problems that this community has. There's no magic rules that can fix it either. It can only be fixed by the community, within the community. While the community will always hold a close place in my heart, it is part of the reason I stepped down as community manager.
but we can't just be complacent. Something has to be done. Mods have to facilitate a better culture. I don't know exactly how. There's no magic rule. There's no "fix it" button. It's almost impossible to catch everything. However it's important that people hold themselves accountable instead of brushing criticism aside. We were a part of the problem this time, and its important that we do whatever we can to make sure that never happens again. The fact is there were clearly toxic and dismissive posts in previous threads and nothing was done about it. When you don't do anything about it you promote that behavior. It's time we start taking these issues more seriously.

We just need to do our part to make the internet a friendlier place. Etika deserved better. I'm not sure if a perfect ResetEra makes much of a difference in the end, but we can still try to hold ourselves to a higher standard. I think that needs to be across the board, but it needs to be especially true with mental health.
 

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,389
Why is metacommentary banned, exactly? I mean it as a sincere question.
Because people take incredibly small sample sizes and use that as representative of a website with thousands of members and hundreds of threads each day. Leading to metacommentary posts like this:


lot of prominent outrage members in this community are really no different than trolls on 4chan, except they're more disingenuous with their intentions.
It's sad but after looking at all of these threads I don't believe that anymore.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,779
I can understand that but at least let the country give me access to these resources to help someone. I couldn't even do anything in the first place. If that person decided to leave rehab or circumvent welfare check, then at least I tried something. And that something can make a difference.

Absolutely. I understand where you're coming from for sure. Just expressing my own frustration with how fucked up it all is.
 

Neiteio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,137
This is my biggest issue with this community. There is no forgiveness or benefit of the doubt (when applicable). Someone says X, And the community immediately damns them to hell. Now...its backfired.

Sometimes the best way to approach certain behavior, is with love in your hearts. Not anger and outrage.
Yep. Two wrongs don't make a right. Answering hate with hate isn't going to make the world a better place. There's a way to call out bad behavior and say it's not allowed, while also not condemning someone as unforgivably evil and destroying them so utterly that there's no room for redemption. The desire to dog-pile can blind one to the nuances that make a person human. In this case, the way a person's mental health issues were altering their thoughts and behaviors.
 

Hektor

Community Resettler
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,884
Deutschland
All of you who made fun of him have his blood on your hands, mod or not.
Even if he never read any of your individual posts in particular, all of you are actively contributing to a system of shame and guilt that's making it so hard for struggling people to reach out when they need it.
Don't make excuses, don't defend yourself, accept it, move the fuck on, LEARN FROM IT and become better.
 

Linde

Banned
Sep 2, 2018
3,983
I don't quite get how this stirred a controversy. I always found the guy obnoxious and that combined with all his breakdowns I suspected that he has some kind of mental problem. I think it was sensible to close the thread since at that point in time there was no way to tell 100% if that really was the case. I also get why people where angry at Etika for what he said. There was just no way to tell if it was a mental illness or just his supposed schtick.

I was actually hoping after not hearing about him for a while that he finally found the help he needed. A shame it had to end this way. There is no denying he made some people happy, even if I wasn't one of them.
it doesnt matter if it was a mental illness or not
if someone posts a suicide note, its to be taken seriously. no matter how many times youve been "fooled" before. the dismissive attitude by some posters is what really irritated me
 

Zomba13

#1 Waluigi Fan! Current Status: Crying
Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,940
Yeah guys, let's turn this thread about the death of Etika into a "resetera sucks and is worse than places like 4chan and reddit and the mods are responsible" thread.
 

threi

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,007
Ontario, Canada
This thread should be a celebration of this young man's life, but of course, it's turned into a "I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG" echo chamber of people who should be spending more time focused on the way this kid brightened people's days and should be less focused on derailing the thread.

Go start another thread in Etc if there are serious concerns about moderation and mental health on this forum, but don't turn his death into an opportunity to act holier-than-thou for no reason other than your own narcissism.

I disagree. I believe calling out people on their behavior prior to this is far more productive than "RIP so sad :(" The lack of empathy towards what was clearly a deteriorating state of mental health absolutely needs to be called out. It is not to say "I told you so" but more to educate. How some resetera posters acted was NOT acceptable. And there are posters that NEED to know this. Maybe those posts may not have had any effect on how this particular situation turned out, but that attitude CAN have an effect on people they may know in their daily lives. Issues with mental health comes in all forms and that is very important when making absolutist judgements about people. Saying "I told you so" to other Resetera members does absolutely nothing for me. Its a large site with a large and diverse group of users and opinions, every damn topic on this forum will have people who are "wrong". The attitude towards Etika by some posters, however, can have very REAL consequences and absolutely needs to be addressed.

So yeah I am sad. A young black life was lost again. But I am also frustrated because this was something that was preventable. His direct fanbase, people on twitter that follow him, How American healthcare deals with mental health, even sites like this, all share responsibility. This is i think my second or third ever post on this forum (I used to post on neogaf about 5-6 years ago and stopped) but a situation like this is something that hits close to home. A young black male suffering with mental illness that is largely ignored by everyone. Black guys aren't supposed to suffer from mental illness. "It be like that".

All I want is for people to put a little more thought into how they approach what is clearly signs of mental illness. Have a little more empathy for people's actions beyond "he said fag so who cares how he ends up". I share my condolences of course, but I think there is much to be learned here beyond that, and calling those out specifically on their behavior can possibly change their attitude. It won't bring Etika back, but it may prevent someone they know personally from experiencing the same fate.
 

Bansai

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 28, 2017
11,294
This was the last photo I took with Etika. It was only three days before he disappeared. I felt you all may want to see this, as the thread honors his memory.



Judging by his expression you could never tell what he was about to do. People often like to ask "did anybody close to him really did not see the signs?", one look at that photo should answer that question.

Hopefully he's in a far, far better place.