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NY Times: Democratic Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders
- Thread starter Lunar Wolf
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If they legit try and pull this shit, then the better pick Bloomberg. Forsaking the entire left wing of your party means that the only way you're going to win in the general is with someone who'll flip Republicans en masse.
That's a pretty bleak future for the general if you ask me.
That's a pretty bleak future for the general if you ask me.
Yeeeep. It's a quick way to splinter and cripple the party.
Also I get that the staff previously said to discuss this in the Primary thread, but speaking personally, this feels important enough to be its own thread.
If the party loses to Trump and loses the gains gotten during 2018 due to Sanders, we would be totally screwed for the next 2 years.
Yeah, but the candidate themselves have never said, "I'm a socialist." Enter Bernie Sanders. Plus, his recent admiration for Castro's policies is on tape, which essentially means Florida is already lost. It's one thing to throw around labels, but when the candidate admits to the label, that's something else. It would be like Trump saying he's a fascist.
The DNC's actions make sense when you realize that they see Bernie the same way the GOP saw trump in 2015 early 2016.
ie. a candidate that's gonna lose the election and cause a lot of trouble down ballot. Of course Bernie isn't trump, so they are making a huge mistake. The funny thing is they are also making the same mistakes the gop made in 2016. They are making Bernie look like the outsider fighting against the evil establishment.
if they were smart they would convince a bunch of the moderates to drop out. But they are too worried about the scary socialist to think clearly.
ie. a candidate that's gonna lose the election and cause a lot of trouble down ballot. Of course Bernie isn't trump, so they are making a huge mistake. The funny thing is they are also making the same mistakes the gop made in 2016. They are making Bernie look like the outsider fighting against the evil establishment.
if they were smart they would convince a bunch of the moderates to drop out. But they are too worried about the scary socialist to think clearly.
Sounds like a great way to destroy the Democrat party and give conservatives uncontested rule for a decade. Seriously, tell all your voters they're too stupid to decide their own nominee just before a presidential election. Democrats will be slaughtered across the ballot if this happens, and they'll deserve it.
Wtf? Why would this topic get locked anyway? I feel like this is important enough to know. Personally, I favoured Bernie over Hillary last time and I still voted for her of course. I favor Bernie again this time and if he isn't the Democratic nominee I'll still vote for the other person. But it's kind of weird to me to read this because A LOT of my friends like Bernie too. It's kinda surprising to hear the other Democrats don't want him in the running.
That's the problem, they're dreaming of a savior candidate that doesn't exist, for a party that's not just "their" party anymore.
I'm so sick of this crap. Stand by our candidates! The party is shooting itself In the foot by going after Sanders.
Sanders is energizing the youth to go out and vote. If the Dem establishment work to actively make sure he doesn't get the nomination despite having the most votes then the party is as good as dead.
He has won the first 3 states popular votes, he is aiming to do well in SC and may sweep on Super Tuesday.
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Actually he did.
Mitch McConnell threatened to make it partisan and cry a river.
On the flip side, Fox News, et al. have spent years tying good, reasonable policy to the socialist label. They've actively participated in defanging their own invective.
Is he? Because the primaries and caucuses tell a different story.
Why though? I don't understand this sentiment when almost all polling says the opposite. Yet so many keep parroting it (and some besmirching the good name of Bob Lawblaw even)
The irony isn't lost on me with establishments dems complaining about Russia's interfering with the will of the people while they try to stop Bernie from winning the nomination with a majority of delegates
You mean the primary and caucuses where we won the popular vote, including Nevada where he won almost every category?
And yet he keeps winning, so what does that say about everyone else?
You will always get a chunk of the blame if you lose an election. See..... any losing election in history. Wouldnt be any different with Bernie. Lets just hope we don't see it.
Pretty much the only future I see where the party isn't heavily damaged is if Sanders wins in November. A brokered convention or any loss in November will cause tremendous animosity.
A little of one and a lot of the other is my thinking.
A little of one and a lot of the other is my thinking.
She has had a ton of media coverage of wit and her ability to destroy candidates. Not sure how that's not charismatic.
I like Bernies policies, but he has a lot of issues and again his base is going to destroy this election if it doesn't go his way.
The gains in 2018 weren't just due to Sanders. Women ran, and won, on their own.
These superdelegates are so fixated on Sanders that they're failing to consider not only these other accomplishments, but also what it takes to switch the Senate majority. Throwing also-ran candidates like Brown (OH) into the wind fails to address...well...anything at all.
No one is talking about giving the nomination to someone else if Bernie got a majority of delegates.
The guy who's so popular he just swept Nevada shouldn't have ran? Good one.
Fine, one of the reasons why she isn't doing too hot is because she didn't run a good ground game like Sanders did. Warren is making the campaign mistakes Sanders did in the last election and Sanders is more recognizable this time around.
99.9% of Democrats in congress aren't Democratic socialists, so it's still "their" party.
the mainliner always gets the blame for down ticket performance.
the Presidential election doesn't happen in a vacuum.
He lost Iowa technically. And winning is not the point. I was talking about getting younger people out to vote. So far younger people are skipping the primaries.
Which gains gotten during 2018 due to Sanders? Moderate Dems were the ones who actually flipped seats.
Whenever I read this shit I assume the "others" and "many people" are the same "lots of people" who trump talks to for advise. I think Bernie will be an awful president, but they'd be nuts to not take him at this point. The lasting damage to the party would be worse than any temporary congressional losses. We'd see blue states turn red, not purple states turning red.
I think they meant plurality. And yeah he wins no matter what with the majority number, because its a technicality at that point.
No, how is the party thinking about giving the candidacy to the person not in the lead and then losing somehow Bernie's fault? That was how I interpret that statement as.
Because Bernie Sanders is viewed more trustworthy than Elizabeth Warren. You can be in denial about it, if you want.
You're 100% correct about him being an awful President. None of his policies have a chance of getting passed. Literally Zero if Congress stays where it's at now.