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jaekeem

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Oct 27, 2017
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at most...they're equal, no? You can argue a critic is a "creator" in their own sense (lol), but arguing that being a critic entails creating more than an artist is laughable
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Judging by the reply activity, it seems like Jerry was bored and wanted to spend all night responding to people on Twitter.
 

diakyu

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Dec 15, 2018
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lol
at most...they're equal, no? You can argue a critic is a "creator" in their own sense (lol), but arguing that being a critic entails creating more than an artist is laughable
He kinda backtracks to this exact position in the twitter thread, but he also came out with guns fucking blazing at the start.
 

Watchtower

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Oct 27, 2017
11,655
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Feep

Lead Designer, Iridium Studios
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Oct 25, 2017
4,603
The artistic world absolutely needs good, honest, and yes, and even creative criticism.

That said, LO-fucking-L.
 

subpar spatula

Refuses to Wash his Ass
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Oct 26, 2017
22,148
Critics are just failed authors IMO. A lot don't even seem to understand a lot about what makes that subject good.
 

Jeremy

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Oct 25, 2017
6,639
"good critic" is the key term here.

At its best, art criticism requires incredible effort.
 

Magneton

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Jul 31, 2018
244
The only thing more masturbatory than a critic jerking themselves off is people dunking on critics. Slamming critics is such low-hanging fruit.
 

ToddBonzalez

The Pyramids? That's nothing compared to RDR2
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
15,530
Imagine calling Jerry Saltz "NY Mag Critic". It'd be like calling Roger Ebert "Chicago Sun-Times Critic".
 
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Tfritz

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Oct 25, 2017
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i mean, if we're defining art as mass market entertainment products like video games, or action movies, or whatever, it's probably not a stretch to say that fanbases and critics will often look at and engage with the mass market entertainment product on a deeper level than the creators do, but to say that it's more work, that's, well lol.
 

Steven

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Oct 27, 2017
3,175
"The artist only creates"

As if creating something means just throwing together some shit and calling it art lmaoooo
 

Hidant

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Oct 27, 2017
232
I have spent like 10 minutes here, writing and deleting what I just wrote because it sounded better in my head. I now realize that at the very least, I possess the self awareness that this dude clearly lacks.
 

Neece

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Oct 27, 2017
9,201
I do think there are times when a critic puts more thought into the themes of the story than the actual writer did. I've seen situations where a cultural critic writes a fucking 10,000 word thesis on a single scene, exploring the ideas and mapping them onto real world issues, trying to understand what it all means, when if you asked the director or writer about the scene they'd just shrug and say they did it because it was cool, no deeper meaning intended.

Obviously this doesn't scale to being "always" though.
 

I Don't Like

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Dec 11, 2017
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right because artists never write about their art or explain it or talk about its inspiration and what it means to them.
 

Admiral Woofington

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
14,892
I don't disagree with him. When the AVGN said "this game is buffalo diarrhea butt shit" I could picture, smell and taste the review
 

TooFriendly

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Oct 30, 2017
2,028
Jerry Saltz is a very good critic and he is also more than willing to make fun of himself.
If you take this at face value and have a knee jerk reaction to it... well you probably do that a lot don't you.
 

Imperfected

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Nov 9, 2017
11,737
It's true, the only good critics are people who do video essay responses to short youtube videos about Fallout.
 

construct

Saw the truth behind the copied door
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Jun 5, 2020
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東京
i put more into this post than that tweet

shut up jerry saltz
 
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wenis

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok ok ok ok ok

this man is obviously a dumb fuck, but....

A great critic did create this work of art

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a broken clock is right twice a day.
 

caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
35,197
I don't hate critics at all in fact i love reading and watching reviews

But this is such pretentious hogwash
 

koolaroo

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Dec 27, 2017
292
Yeah this tweet is probably not true most of the time unless you are Max Landis writing on Carly Rea Jepsen
 

Solace

Dog's Best Friend
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Oct 29, 2017
1,919
LMFAO, what an entitled gigantic moron... If you had what it takes to be an artist, you would be creating arts not ... this.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Without the artist the critic is just someone sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for something to do.
 

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Oct 31, 2017
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I would argue that an artist is her own harshest critic. But Jerry seems nice, admitting error like that.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Everyone's dunking on him, but surely this is art equal to Radiohead.

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I had never even seen a shooting star before. 25 years of rotations, passes through comets' paths, and travel, and to my memory I had never witnessed burning debris scratch across the night sky. Radiohead were hunched over their instruments. Thom Yorke slowly beat on a grand piano, singing, eyes closed, into his microphone like he was trying to kiss around a big nose. Colin Greenwood tapped patiently on a double bass, waiting for his cue. White pearls of arena light swam over their faces. A lazy disco light spilled artificial constellations inside the aluminum cove of the makeshift stage. The metal skeleton of the stage ate one end of Florence's Piazza Santa Croce, on the steps of the Santa Croce Cathedral. Michelangelo's bones and cobblestone laid beneath. I stared entranced, soaking in Radiohead's new material, chiseling each sound into the best functioning parts of my brain which would be the only sound system for the material for months.

The butterscotch lamps along the walls of the tight city square bled upward into the cobalt sky, which seemed as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap. The staccato piano chords ascended repeatedly. "Black eyed angels swam at me," Yorke sang like his dying words. "There was nothing to fear, nothing to hide." The trained critical part of me marked the similarity to Coltrane's "Ole." The human part of me wept in awe.

The Italians surrounding me held their breath in communion (save for the drunken few shouting "Criep!"). Suddenly, a rise of whistles and orgasmic cries swept unfittingly through the crowd. The song, "Egyptian Song," was certainly momentous, but wasn't the response more apt for, well, "Creep?" I looked up. I thought it was fireworks. A teardrop of fire shot from space and disappeared behind the church where the syrupy River Arno crawled. Radiohead had the heavens on their side.


For further testament, Chip Chanko and I both suffered auto-debilitating accidents in the same week, in different parts of the country, while blasting "Airbag" in our respective Japanese imports. For months, I feared playing the song about car crashes in my car, just as I'd feared passing 18- wheelers after nearly being crushed by one in 1990. With good reason, I suspect Radiohead to possess incomprehensible powers. The evidence is only compounded with Kid A-- the rubber match in the band's legacy-- an album which completely obliterates how albums, and Radiohead themselves, will be considered.

Even the heralded OK Computer has been nudged down one spot in Valhalla. Kid A makes rock and roll childish. Considerations on its merits as "rock" (i.e. its radio fodder potential, its guitar riffs, and its hooks) are pointless. Comparing this to other albums is like comparing an aquarium to blue construction paper. And not because it's jazz or fusion or ambient or electronic. Classifications don't come to mind once deep inside this expansive, hypnotic world. Ransom, the philologist hero of C.S. Lewis' Out of the Silent Planet who is kidnapped and taken to another planet, initially finds his scholarship useless in his new surroundings, and just tries to survive the beautiful new world.

This is an emotional, psychological experience. Kid A sounds like a clouded brain trying to recall an alien abduction. It's the sound of a band, and its leader, losing faith in themselves, destroying themselves, and subsequently rebuilding a perfect entity. In other words, Radiohead hated being Radiohead, but ended up with the most ideal, natural Radiohead record yet.

"Everything in Its Right Place" opens like Close Encounters spaceships communicating with pipe organs. As your ears decide whether the tones are coming or going, Thom Yorke's Cuisinarted voice struggles for its tongue. "Everything," Yorke belts in uplifting sighs. The first-person mantra of "There are two colors in my head" is repeated until the line between Yorke's mind and the listener's mind is erased.

Skittering toy boxes open the album's title song, which, like the track "Idioteque," shows a heavy Warp Records influence. The vocoder lullaby lulls you deceivingly before the riotous "National Anthem." Mean, fuzzy bass shapes the spine as unnerving theremin choirs limn. Brash brass bursts from above like Terry Gilliam's animated foot. The horns swarm as Yorke screams, begs, "Turn it off!" It's the album's shrill peak, but just one of the incessant goosebumps raisers.

After the rockets exhaust, Radiohead float in their lone orbit. "How to Disappear Completely" boils down "Let Down" and "Karma Police" to their spectral essence. The string-laden ballad comes closest to bridging Yorke's lyrical sentiment to the instrumental effect. "I float down the Liffey/ I'm not here/ This isn't happening," he sings in his trademark falsetto. The strings melt and weep as the album shifts into its underwater mode. "Treefingers," an ambient soundscape similar in sound and intent to Side B of Bowie and Eno's Low, calms after the record's emotionally strenuous first half.

The primal, brooding guitar attack of "Optimistic" stomps like mating Tyrannosaurs. The lyrics seemingly taunt, "Try the best you can/ Try the best you can," before revealing the more resigned sentiment, "The best you can is good enough." For an album reportedly "lacking" in traditional Radiohead moments, this is the best summation of their former strengths. The track erodes into a light jam before morphing into "In Limbo." "I'm lost at sea," Yorke cries over clean, uneasy arpeggios. The ending flares with tractor beams as Yorke is vacuumed into nothingness. The aforementioned "Idioteque" clicks and thuds like Aphex Twin and Bjork's Homogenic, revealing brilliant new frontiers for the "band." For all the noise to this point, it's uncertain entirely who or what has created the music. There are rarely traditional arrangements in the ambiguous origin. This is part of the unique thrill of experiencing Kid A.

Pulsing organs and a stuttering snare delicately propel "Morning Bell." Yorke's breath can be heard frosting over the rainy, gray jam. Words accumulate and stick in his mouth like eye crust. "Walking walking walking walking," he mumbles while Jonny Greenwood squirts whale-chant feedback from his guitar. The closing "Motion Picture Soundtrack" brings to mind The White Album, as it somehow combines the sentiment of Lennon's LP1 closer-- the ode to his dead mother, "Julia"-- with Ringo and Paul's maudlin, yet sincere LP2 finale, "Goodnight." Pump organ and harp flutter as Yorke condones with affection, "I think you're crazy." To further emphasize your feeling at that moment and the album's overall theme, Yorke bows out with "I will see you in the next life." If you're not already there with him.

The experience and emotions tied to listening to Kid A are like witnessing the stillborn birth of a child while simultaneously having the opportunity to see her play in the afterlife on Imax. It's an album of sparking paradox. It's cacophonous yet tranquil, experimental yet familiar, foreign yet womb-like, spacious yet visceral, textured yet vaporous, awakening yet dreamlike, infinite yet 48 minutes. It will cleanse your brain of those little crustaceans of worries and inferior albums clinging inside the fold of your gray matter. The harrowing sounds hit from unseen angles and emanate with inhuman genesis. When the headphones peel off, and it occurs that six men (Nigel Godrich included) created this, it's clear that Radiohead must be the greatest band alive, if not the best since you know who. Breathing people made this record! And you can't wait to dive back in and try to prove that wrong over and over.