This was news to me, I thought Wired had the exclusive reveal?
Not 100%, but could you reduce memory usage by 50% using a super fast SSD? Maybe, offload any non-essential OS functions to SSD while a game is running and only bring them back into RAM when they're needed. I don't know if they'll do this, but in theory it seems possible.
I'm not talking about suspending apps, I'm talking about shuffling part of the OS that isn't critical to the game running to the SSD. Again, I'm not saying they'll do it but it seems possible.
Sorry, exclusive specs reveal, you know.This was news to me, I thought Wired had the exclusive reveal?
Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation
Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.www.wired.com
This was news to me, I thought Wired had the exclusive reveal?
Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation
Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
Wait, are you accusing DF of peddling misinformation? Seriously? No wonder most verified folks leave this forum sooner or later. The toxicity is unbelievable.
That's a question I have: is the RT hardware distributed inside the CUs (in which case XSX would have an advantage most likely due to 44% more CUs), or are they added to the GPU separately from the CUs? In the latter case, PS5 probably has the advantage in RT because of higher clock speeds (assuming similar amounts and quality of RT hardware).
The DF video also has speculation, facts are very limited and they talk from their perspective, that includes their knowledge but also their personal and subjective view. And it is obvious that the ones sticking with them as gospel is also for personal reasons. If accusations have to stop, fine but for everyone, not just for the ones that happen to be telling what you wanna hear.
Yeah well that is what we got for that article - I also want way more information than what we had from their side.
The funny thing is, when the next-generation after that hits the market (so, PS6/Xbox Series 2 or whatever), those people will realize that PS5/XSX were in the grand scheme of things nearly identical and will regret having lost so much time arguing which one was better.
So was Cerny lying or misinformed when he said the vast majority of the time the CPU and GPU will run at max clock speed? That's not possible if what you are saying is true.
Well, when one of the platform holders invites you to their HQ exclusively, to show and promote their work, they probably don't expect you to say bad things about their product.
This is a very confusing part of Cerny's speech, for all, but i guess It has to have some sense to it, Otherwise he would not have mentioned it.
My guess - typically a lot of the time various subsystems sit idle - if the developer optimizes the graphics pipeline so that shaders and texturing units and ROPs work simultaneously most of the time, the GPU would draw too much power and would have to be downclocked, regardless of what's happening in the CPU.
So when you do less intensive task like opening menu in GoW or HZD, the fps doesn't go crazy with fans shooting up in helicopter mode like on PS4. Instead GPU cycle goes down while maintaining same power/fan speed. He said it as much with graph showing GoW axe.
Because he probably knew many would say that it wouldn't? That is happening here right now
In the direct about PS5, Richard did mention he had a talk with Cerny. Did he manage to get more info, or they discussed only what was spoken about during the presentation? Also, if I'm not mistaken there is an upcoming article about their talk, right?
Do you think the XSX GPU and CPU will run at max clocks 100% of the time?
For the GDC talk? I'm confused, I thought Sony put out the Cerny talk themselves.
I watched a couple of videos on mesh shading and it sounded nothing at all like what Cerny described. The latter two solutions are v cool though. Gonna be a hell of a generation!DirectML – Xbox Series X supports Machine Learning for games with DirectML, a component of DirectX. DirectML leverages unprecedented hardware performance in a console, benefiting from over 24 TFLOPS of 16-bit float performance and over 97 TOPS (trillion operations per second) of 4-bit integer performance on Xbox Series X. Machine Learning can improve a wide range of areas, such as making NPCs much smarter, providing vastly more lifelike animation, and greatly improving visual quality.
Mesh Shading – Mesh shading will enable developers to dramatically improve the performance and image quality when rendering a substantial number of complex objects in a scene. As an example, mesh shaders could enable the player to experience asteroid belts and fields of flowers in more pristine detail without seeing a loss in performance.
^^^ That's the culling you mentioned.
Sampler Feedback Streaming (SFS) – A component of the Xbox Velocity Architecture, SFS is a feature of the Xbox Series X hardware that allows games to load into memory, with fine granularity, only the portions of textures that the GPU needs for a scene, as it needs it. This enables far better memory utilization for textures, which is important given that every 4K texture consumes 8MB of memory. Because it avoids the wastage of loading into memory the portions of textures that are never needed, it is an effective 2x or 3x (or higher) multiplier on both amount of physical memory and SSD performance.
^^^ Another "culling" related efficiency.
Variable Rate Shading (VRS) – Variable Rate Shading increases GPU efficiency by concentrating shader work where it's most needed and reducing shader work in areas where it won't be noticeable. With minimal developer effort, VRS significantly improves GPU performance resulting in more stable and higher resolutions and frame rates with no perceptible loss in visual quality.
^^^ Wasn't mentioned by Cerny. It's essentially a 10-20% perf lift.
Defining the Next Generation: An Xbox Series X|S Technology Glossary - Xbox Wire
[Editor’s Note: Updated on 10/21 at 11AM to ensure it is now reflective of the capabilities across both of our next-gen Xbox consoles following the unveil of Xbox Series S.] As we enter a new generation of console gaming with Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S, we’ve made a number of technology...news.xbox.com
Add to that not only cooling but also cooling that keeps the console silent which I think is a very important thing.
Do we know how the GPU power consumption scales with high frequencies already? At which point will it be worse/higher than linear power consumption?
