Not really, they just had different design goals. This gen I don't think anyone made a mistake.
The gif of the strong and fast person is a perfect comparison. Both can be amazing fighters, utilizing their strengths.
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NX Gamer: PS5 Full Spec Analysis | A new generation is Born
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The gif of the strong and fast person is a perfect comparison. Both can be amazing fighters, utilizing their strengths.
While SFS itself may be a unique implementation, a texture culling process of another kind could exist for PS5. It's not like Sony don't know the benefit this would have. (Also, I could be wrong but wouldn't PS5's much higher-clocked TMUs already mitigate this issue a little?)
Support for INT4 and INT8 is definitely not unique. What may be unique is the extension of Rapid Packed Math to these smaller formats, putting 4x INT8 and 8x INT4 values into one FP32. However, Microsoft didn't say that this was part of XVA, so it may just be an AMD-engineered option that anyone can use.
I don't follow how this math works. Microsoft have 1.44x as many CUs, so they can cast 16x as many rays?
doesnt matter much if you dont have other pieces
from what I'm seeing there are no losers architecture wise this gen. Its gonna boil down to the games. As it's always had. Lol
Yes, but the PS5 should finish calculating those rays 22% faster, hence a total of 16% advantage (just like the TF difference).
Er, RT scales with resolution, if perf delta is 20% you'd get either/or.
Does that mean developers have to make a choice as far as that goes or that they're basically just directly tied in engine? Sorry, I don't know a lot about this stuff :)
I just wanted to say I really appreciate every time you post. :)
Okay, I was just confused by the "at the same time as PS5 can calculate 1". So what you meant was "can cast 52 rays in the same time PS5 can cast 36." But I'm not sure that's correct. Since the RT hardware is subject to the same speed as the rest of the GPU, I believe PS5's higher clockspeed means it can cast more than this ratio. A naive calculation would say 44 rays versus 52; I doubt the math is so simple, though. (And see the next segment for evidence of severe obvious gaps in my learning.)
Okay, it seems I fundamentally misunderstand RT cores then. What I meant was that as resolution goes up as a function of CU number, the rays per pixel don't go up even faster. The two values move in lockstep. But you're saying it's a literal tradeoff, that if your resolution is higher, the number of rays/pixel has to go down. I understand that BVH intersection tests aren't the only step to raytracing, but I'd have thought with dedicated hardware for that part, RT would use little of the normal compute hardware. Is this incorrect?
We don't know. There's no image or definitively known size for the PS5 APU. The only block-diagram style render of the XSX chip is unhelpfully tilted and 3D, which introduces some imprecision. But according to that it does seem that RDNA2 is smaller overall than RDNA1, so I wouldn't expect anything much smaller.
As for the Mark Cerny statement about 62% more transistors per CU you referenced. If we adjust the PS4 CU like that, and then shrink it based on estimated transistor density change for TSMC, we get a CU size for PS5 of 1.7mm^2. But this is not a very accurate way to estimate, and that seems too small (15% below RDNA1, even though extra hardware has been added to each?).
The guy who was behind the Xbox Series X hands on also mentioned that he thinks the PS5 will come in smaller and slightly cheaper to manufacture. He predicted a $50 cheaper launch price, but at this point who knows. All depends on how much Sony is paying for that SSD and all their custom stuff, including the cooling system.
Anyone know what kind of cooling to expect on PS5? Their running it over 2.0Ghz..Cerny says we will be impressed by it during a teardown, so.. it must be crazy engineered. I remember about two years ago, with one of their flagship Xperia's, they designed a very elaborate heatsink system, there were 2+ heatsinks taking heat from the phone SoC's to the outer edges of the phone and I wished they could also think outside the box in cooling for PS5 too. Glad to hear Sony is taking cooling seriously with PS5.
Wasn't the cooling solution in Xbox One X also very impressive?
I was trying to say that to a poster the other night that this ssd tech they created is ridiculous. We're going to see some interesting things.
I just hope the console is a traditional shape/design and can actually fit in my damn media centre. Because the Xbox Series X sure won't.
Agreed but I don't think the gamers who really enjoy this hobby is making one better than the other. You will always have favorites :-)
Same..I don't mind the V shape..
not really.. it's existed in the PC space for years.. and I think thats low tech compared to Sony's... that has to cool an GPU at 2300mhz..
I love the way that the XsX is assembled and i'm sure the cooling solution is very effective.
They are using the same architecture and i'm assuming that they are both 7nm so I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
In this case definitely. They don't mix science and facts with fiction.
Do you mean of the PS5 dev kit? I actually really love that design, and hope we see it as the retail design (even if history tells us that's very unlikely).
On the other hand, one of the console manufacturers has given them the exclusive for their last two console launches. That introduces a major conflict of interest in a commercial sense. That's not to say they have or will act with impropriety as a result, but it is a clear conflict of interest. From a commercial point of view though I can completely understand why they would still accept those offers.
This is unlikely to happen. What you have as an OS is not what you have on PC; almost everything that is done by the OS concerns gaming or functions that are related to user experience around gaming.
Yeah, the V shape devkit. It's slighly bigger than the Pro in all directions, basically channeling air through some sort of dual setup, I'm hoping that's what Cerny meant by something amazing the engineering team created for cooling.
Guys, stop. It's okay that you disagree what they say because personal reasons but we don't have any proof where DF lied to us, on purpose. They are way too big and would risk their whole existence. These accusations have to stop. There are definitely biased media out there, no doubt, but pulling DF into the mud goes too far. By the way: if what they say is true, and there is no reason to believe it's not!, the world will still turn.
Suspend resume, party chat or other non gaming apps need access to RAM. OS only has a small memory footprint. PS3 OS was like 300MB. Sony will use the same amount or more for social features.
If they had an advantage in this area we would know already. Cerny has been harping about the SSD for half an hour which leads me to believe it's the only area they focused on.
Tell me if it's only 300 mb, why did they use 3gb, gen times the amount, on PS4.
??? Methinks you've got a little bias here.
You can think whatever you want in a thread that mainly exists because of bias ;)
I will count words from both articles to find out who paid you more!
Haha.
DF bias changes with the weather that fanboys imagine. ResetERA is pretty tiresome in this regard for thsi console launch. Why does it happen here so often?
True but cerny stayed away from taking about the OS in general. Think another video conference will show us the OS and new controller in action pretty soon. Along with a view of the console I'm sure.
52 - 36 != 16 or 16/36 != 44% or what about my original math where I had switched the numbers with 56 and 32 which would imply 56 - 32 != 24 or 24/32 != 75% from your perspective?
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Hey Dictator, I was hoping you could clarify your theory about PS5's CPU/GPU clocks? Your theory seems to contradict Cerny's statements in the video from Wednesday and it would be great to figure out what's actually going on.
Many of us have pointed out that Cerny stated both CPU and GPU will run at their max clocks a majority of the time, which is impossible if only one can run at max clocks at a time. Is it possible your info was referring to balancing power draw and not clock speeds?
Cerny was harping about what he thinks is a strong point. This is why he focused on SSD, Audio and downplayed the significance of GPU TF difference. PR.
There is a reason why you reserve memory for OS functions.
When Cerny said relying on TF is dangerous, he had PS5 TF =/= PS4 TF slide in the back. Same with CUs so I assumed he was talking about comparing previous gen with current gen (for eg "PS5 is 6 times more powerful than PS4"), but people are free to assume whatever they want.
So people are still allowed to insinuate DF are biased? I'm sick of seeing this shit.
What a weird reply. Nobody is forcing you to watch NX's videos.
Both NX and DF do a great job, so no real reason to not watch both really but do what you like, doesn't matter to me what you do.
They don't disagree for personal reasons
They disagree cause DF statements contradicts what the LEAD system designer stated in the conference.
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So much misinformation being peddled across multiple threads.
From verge comment section taken as gospel, 9tf to different clocks, only 100 games available for BC even after clarification.
Crazy stuff