There's a branch of UE4 with DLSS built in now, so it should only be a matter of time
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Nvidia's DLSS 2.0 Coming to Control and Mechwarrior 5
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There's a branch of UE4 with DLSS built in now, so it should only be a matter of time
Yeah people remember Tomb raider DLSS which was looking like oil painty, but was very good at least on trees/grass
Engine support or engine provider process automation had to happen and glad it is already happening. Other big ones like Frostbite, Unity, Diuna or Snowdrop will probably follow sooner rather then later.
Wonder if Nintendo would consider designing the Switch 2 around this in mind. Yes they would have to add Tensor cores, but the trade off then could possibly be that Switch 2 games only need to render at ridiculously low resolutions, like say 480p undocked and only 600p or 720p docked to achieve 1080p-1440p+.
Too true.
Happened with variable refresh rates too
I hope games that support DLSS 2.0 will automatically be supported by any further improvements to the tech. As in, they will benefit from future updates to the AI training, if that makes sense.
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They will be. As more games gain support, older games that support 2.0 will get better through Nvidia driver updates
Ehh... we are on the cusp of a new GPU generation. I wouldnt really look at it that way. Its like thinking about PS4 performance when PS5 launches later this year. We will get new GPU's soon. This last gen is still 1000 because it hasnt been replaced yet, but its coming.
Absolutely. Nobody can say what the overhead and results would be, but there isn't an obvious technical reason why next-gen machines can't do it.
I am expecting will see it with MS' machines. MS is at the forefront of ML research, and they've made a substantial technical commitment to supporting ML workloads at improved efficiency with XSX's support for reduced precision operations.
Don't think there is much hope for dedicated hardware like tensor cores being present, microsoft have directml though so could possibly see that used for a similar thing. If they can achieve dlss 2.0 levels without tensor core style hardware will have to wait and see. There are some games using dlss without running it on the tensor cores, control was 1 and I think there was another but that improved control dlss is usng the hardware apparently.
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Nah, there's only Control. It was considered "DLSS 1.9". Every game before that used the tensor cores.
You mean after that :D Every game before Youngblood i think didn't use tensor cores.
Unlikely - the tensor cores are totally separate from the shaders etc, therefore there is no impact on performance when using them. Whereas the DirectML method is literally taking FLOPS away from rendering.
The fact that Nvidia is doubling down on the tensor cores by the way of DLSS 2.0 means we'll no doubt see them continue in Ampere.
They did. It's only Control that doesn't.
I think MS will do it in some way since they have int 8 and int 4 support and have demonstrated it in the past in prototyping on Forza - and it is faster rate (a multplicative amount faster than 1:1 TF for fp 32). Sony did not seemingly add this functionality to PS5, or at least, did not at all talk about it.
That int8 support MS added is like 8x slower than the tensor core in a RTX 2080 I think, but still, it is supported.
The biggest problem is that it uses shader cores, so its not free like in Tensor cores, but the it will still be very impactful for performance.
I actually think console games will use dynamic upscaling with DLSS like solutions in games.
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I hope to see it in more UE4 games as there's a DLSS branch of the program.
But the biggest detriment is that it's a black box right now.
I play at 1440p but with this I can now get 1080p performance while it looking like a 1440p image? Nice
Yeah that is indeed a problem. It requires taking away resources on xsx, where it is offloaded on Turing (still takes time of course for execution)
I still think ray tracing is a massive waste of resources (like 4K), but I'm all in favour of reconstruction techniques like dlss that improve frames with minimal drop in IQ.
So does this basically mean this entire tech is off the cards for PS5 from what we know?
For now, as Sony hasnt said anything, its not totally of the charts, but could be extremely expensive to the point of not being worth it.
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Andrew Goosen said, they added the Integr support on the XSX, but I don't really believe Sony has nothing on that front to offer. Could also be part of RDNA2, in response to the Turing Tensor Cores. I think Machine Learning will be very important in the next generation, way beyond reconstructing images. It would be foolish from Sony to not incorporate hardware support for ML in some way.
Not necessarily. Even if they didn't have explicit acceleration it may still be possible at a lower performance level. But idk what kind of penalty that might be. And it may have the same features just not currently disclosed. Not much point speculating with so many unknowns.
Oof. Hoping that's not true.
That's what I'm hoping for I guess yeah.
Right yeah. This is probably my biggest concern with the PS5 at the moment. Hope RDN2 does have something like this.
There was before? I was under the impression that Nvidia handled the training.
they do, but I've always presumed it was paid for or at the very least by application ,hence such low support for something that gives such large free benefits.
Actually having to pay to get results like dlss 1.0? If that is the case then it doesn't surprise me that there was poor support.
On the other hand I'm not sure Nvidia could charge for that, even if was good. They would have needed a critical mass in order to convince others to use the service.
Trying to learn all about this now so pardon me if this was already answered.
Is DLSS only available on RTX cards? My 1080Ti FTW3 cannot use this tech?
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Is this an option that only available for certain games? Meaning not in the nvidia CPL, but rather game devs have to add a graphics options for DLSS?
Is DLSS only available on RTX cards? My 1080Ti FTW3 cannot use this tech?
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Is this an option that only available for certain games? Meaning not in the nvidia CPL, but rather game devs have to add a graphics options for DLSS?
Only Turing cards (yours is not supported) and it's a graphics options that needs to be made for the game.
It's great to see the tech developing and the PC space not just putting all their money in brute forcing stuff. Optimization and "cost-saving" are the core of making technology improve, all this power can be used more efficiently if they aren't stuck to the same old tech. Ray-tracing getting better and better solutions that aren't only hardware upgrades means more hopeful implementations on Console eventualy, even if it is not this tech.
Thank you for the clarification. I'll be buying new parts soon anyway :)
The ai made a whole character lol. Jokes aside the dlss image looks best to me and its like 42% faster, blows my mind. Thx for the shots.
im still unclear as to whether Turing can do other work concurrently or if tensor cores saturate the shared resources too heavily
If you look at Nsight, you can see how it happens always at the very end of a frame generation when nothing else is happening anyway since the frame has already been composed. I guess we would have to learn that by looking at tensor core usage for something like a ML denoiser, which would occur earlier.