3060Ti with 8gb of VRAM and 3060 with both 6gb and 12gb models, but different memory bus. I wonder how they'll stack up in performance. Can't wait to dig into one of those.
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So the 3060Ti is still planned to release in December? It's kinda weird they release only one card in December, and then launch 4 cards next month.
And even better when none of them have any stock available by February, and Nvidia just go "we couldn't see this coming".
Hopefully it's just a rumour, and Nvidia knows what it's planning. But really, I'm getting desperate to get a new card with a decent price. I'm starting to consider getting a 3060 or even a 3050Ti because the whole situation on the cards' availability and pricing is ridiculous lol
3060Ti is rumored to be a part of these four cards.
But considering that 3060Ti will be using the same GA104 chip as 3070 it can certainly launch earlier than 3060, 3050Ti and 3050 which will be using GA106 and GA107 chips.
Yep, same here. If I can't get a 3070 I'll definitely go for 3060 Ti.
Doh, wanted to post in this thread actually and ended up putting it up on the 6000 series card thread. All these numbers start to look the same haha.
I think AMD will have to enable this feature on older Zen processors if Nvidia manages to pull it off on all CPUs. It would kind of make the Zen 3 exclusivity a dick move on their part. Which is really weird, it's not like old AMD at all..
Their footnote didn't age well..
"AMD Smart Access Memory is only supported on AMD Radeon RX 6000 series graphics cards. Not validated on any other graphics solutions."
I didn't know this but, Microsoft has implemented re-size BAR (smart access memory) since 2017? Has been on Linux for ages now? And Intel supports it for a long time? Why even put a branding on a OS level memory management..
I have a asus rog strip 3090 I'm selling for cost pretty much, 2000 bucks.
1799 + Ca tax =
local sell only, cash only,
riverside, ca area
Unopened
1799 + Ca tax =
local sell only, cash only,
riverside, ca area
Unopened
Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on it?
Interesting, smart access was good enough to make me consider Ryzen 3/RX 6000.
Still, i might go full AMD build because no god damn stock for Nvidia.
Already have a 3090 fe. Gonna put a water block on it eventually.
MB BIOS support is needed for this to function properly so we'll see how wide of a support NV will manage to have. It should work on AM4 boards which will have compatibility with Zen3 obviously but beyond that - we have to wait and see.
It's true and it's already working in their testing.
Built my first PC and I got myself an AMD 2700x to go with my 3080. 4K, and everything set to high.
I'm getting around 80FPS for mafia definitive edition. How do I know whether I'm being bottlenecked by my cpu?
I'm getting around 80FPS for mafia definitive edition. How do I know whether I'm being bottlenecked by my cpu?
Generally if your CPU is at 100% but GPU isn't. Looks like Mafia DE loves as much CPU as you can throw at it though - both cores and raw speed.
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Look at MSI Afterburner monitoring, it will show the % loads on GPU and CPU cores.
If you're less than 90% on any CPU core while >90% on the GPU then you're not CPU limited.
Generally if your CPU is at 100% but GPU isn't. Looks like Mafia DE loves as much CPU as you can throw at it though - both cores and raw speed.
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Thanks. Had a look and my GPU usage is 90%+, while CPU usage is way less than 90!
Great CPU.
Keep in mind though that you may be system memory limited and this won't show up in CPU cores load % since what it means is that CPU is waiting for data from memory while being idle.
Some games are notoriously hard on system RAM bandwidth and latency so this is another thing to look into, especially on Zen1/2 CPUs.
But I don't think that Mafia DE is one of them.
Isn't RTX IO basically the same thing? A branded version of Microsoft's upcoming DirectStorage API, which should work on any hardware as long as it is implemented in the driver, since it relies on the DMA capabilities in the PCI-E spec.
no. RTX IO is gpu decompression. it works in conjunction with DirectStorage.
Not quite, it's one thing to make an API call from DirectStorage, it's another to handle decompression on tensor cores with their AI algorithms.
SAM is just a motherboard and OS setting..
Evidently SAM does require *some* GPU-side support, given that Nvidia say that they need to release an update for it to work.
Also, do you have a source for the comment about using AI algorithms running on tensor cores to do decompression? I don't see anything like that on Nvidia's RTX IO page, and I would think they would want to advertise such a system if it existed. My assumption had been that it just ran on normal CUDA cores.
I've been hearing that upcoming Nvidia drivers will allow CPU to write directly to GPU RAM on Ampere for a big boost in speed for those sort of operations.
That should effectively bridge any gap in console IO <-> RAM bandwidth
That should effectively bridge any gap in console IO <-> RAM bandwidth
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Why would you sacrifice ressources from CUDA cores when you have so much computational power with tensor cores to offload from CPU? Most of the decompression happens to use 8-bit int math operations, which the tensor cores are oozing with.
It's the same reason why Microsoft focused a bit more on RDNA 2 ML to support 8-bit/4-bit int acceleration while not having a decompression hardware module like PS5.
As for AI, it's not a question of if, but when. Deep learning lossless compression/decompression or even enhance the original textures on the fly as we'll see on Xbox.
Link, Link 2, Link 3
Nvidia increased focus on tensor cores immensely on Ampere and unless you work on deep learning, tech sites don't really know or can benchmark the benefits of it. But it's the biggest generational leap on Ampere. But they are definitely following Microsoft's approach. You don't go from 89 TOPS to 238 TOPS just for DLSS 2.1 and do nothing with that huge die silicon area dedicated to math crunching.
Finally fired up 3080 FTW3 Ultra last night. Everything looks to be in order. The LED stuff is ridiculous looking, bit gaudy for my taste, but my new PC build is chock full of LEDs everywhere. I took what I could get when it came available. Just happened that most of those things were LED happy. At least it can be disabled.
Wow, undervolted my 3080 real quick today.
It really does perform better, better FM scores. More stable clocks, AND cooler. I didn't even go super aggressive, but if I only undervolted a little it didn't actually go faster.
I tested in some common RT crashing games - Shadow of the Tomb Raider, just a bit. But obviously I'll have to play more to really see if it's truly stable.
It really does perform better, better FM scores. More stable clocks, AND cooler. I didn't even go super aggressive, but if I only undervolted a little it didn't actually go faster.
I tested in some common RT crashing games - Shadow of the Tomb Raider, just a bit. But obviously I'll have to play more to really see if it's truly stable.
I think they're in panic mode right now, because AMD caught them offguard.
Or it was their plan all along, who knows.
Driver must support the feature obviously.
Tensor math isn't you ordinary INT8 math and if you're running INT8 scalar math you can't take advantage of tensor matrix multiplication.
I wouldn't expect NV to use tensor array for assets decompression, it will likely run on ordinary SIMDs.
They wouldn't have launched first if this was remotely true.
What "too many SKUs" are they launching? We have three Ampere based cards launched at the moment: 3070, 3080 and 3090.
They fucked the air cooler owners so hard. Like I wouldn't have bought the ftw3 if I know the hybrid is only 10 bucks more.
Meh, not everyone is going to want something like this, but if you want to turn your air card into one of these, the kit is only $120.
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Very fair price for a block + rad AIO. All EVGA cards warranty protection covers you doing the conversion as well because EVGA's warranty support fuckin rocks.
I'm curious to see how a 2-fan radiator can actually do for cooling a card that offers a 500W bios. Cooling 450-500W with a 240 rad sounds...difficult. And probably a bit loud as those fans ramp up to try to maintain temps.
Are their hybrid cards usually petty good? I'd want to see independent verification of those temps. It would definitely help with maintaining frequencies.
That said, the hydro copper is definitely going to be intriguing for those looking to go full open loop. I've been looking at waterblocks and all that for my card, but I didn't expect either of these options to be so close in price to the air cards. I will definitely consider selling my card to just get a premade hydro copper card. With my 2x radiators, I should probably be able to see about a 40% reduction in load temps compared to what I'm seeing right now once my loop has been assembled. And unlike a lot of people, I really like how the EVGA hydro copper looks. :)
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that would be the only acceptable place, you cannot put closed loops on the bottom, so has to be front with CPU on top
It will still be far better then any GPU air cooler out today. I had a GPU AIO on my 2080 ti which was a 240mm and that thing ran very cool even when I overclocked it hard. Never exceeded 55c. I doubt that the 3080 with the Hybrid cooler will disappoint. It has a fan to cool PCB components as well. I also have a pair of Noctua A12 fans. I saw the kit and already signed up for availability.Meh, not everyone is going to want something like this, but if you want to turn your air card into one of these, the kit is only $120.
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Very fair price for a block + rad AIO. All EVGA cards warranty protection covers you doing the conversion as well because EVGA's warranty support fuckin rocks.
I'm curious to see how a 2-fan radiator can actually do for cooling a card that offers a 500W bios. Cooling 450-500W with a 240 rad sounds...difficult. And probably a bit loud as those fans ramp up to try to maintain temps.
Are their hybrid cards usually petty good? I'd want to see independent verification of those temps. It would definitely help with maintaining frequencies.
That said, the hydro copper is definitely going to be intriguing for those looking to go full open loop. I've been looking at waterblocks and all that for my card, but I didn't expect either of these options to be so close in price to the air cards. I will definitely consider selling my card to just get a premade hydro copper card. With my 2x radiators, I should probably be able to see about a 40% reduction in load temps compared to what I'm seeing right now once my loop has been assembled. And unlike a lot of people, I really like how the EVGA hydro copper looks. :)
You put this in the front or top of your case.
With this kind of setup, ideal would be a 360 CPU AIO in the front of your case and this on top. If your case is smaller, then it doesn't really matter which position in the case this is placed.
Really good to know.
So again, the option is out there and EXTREMELY affordable for current EVGA 3000 card owners. $120 to turn your card into one of these Hybrids. Sure it would have been nice to only pay $50 to get a card like this out of the box (I had assumed these would be hundreds more), but this kit is only $70 more than that and the kit is going to be infinitely easier to buy than trying to get a boxed Hybrid card in retail.
Thanks for the responses. I was just curious. It would be some effort for me to take out all of the drive stuff that I have in the front of the case, and relocate various drives for this to be worth it for me, it seems.
ShadowSoldier89 i forgot to ask: how loud were the fans on your AIO? 55C is awesome, but I'm wondering how audible the fans were. Some AIO cooler setups are pretty rough in this regard.
oh yea you'd want to get a case designed to have fans in the front and top.
Sold my 2070S to a close friend and got this, was originally planning to get 3080 but I find a good deal for this card so here we are. First impressions are good card has a solid build quality and it's quiet.
