NVIDIA RTX 20 SUPER Series

samred · Jul 23, 2019

If the above reviews/benchmarks aren't enough, I tested the RTX 2080 Super alongside:

RTX 2080 Ti
RTX 2080 (founders edition)
RTX 2070 Super
GTX 1080 Ti

on a variety of games and tests, particularly Quake II RTX. Ars article: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019...e-result-when-amd-is-out-of-striking-distance

icecold1983 · Jul 23, 2019

Pey said:
My review -in Spanish- of the RTX 2080 SUPER FE > www.pcmrace.com/2019/07/23/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-8gb-founders-edition-review/

Includes the following gaming benchmarks:

Assassin's Creed Origins
Assassin's Creed Odyssey
Civilization VI: Gathering Storm
F1 2018
F1 2019
Far Cry 5
Far Cry New Dawn
Final Fantasy XV
Forza Horizon 4
Metro Exodus
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War
Mortal Kombat 11
HITMAN 2
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Strange Brigade
The Division 2
Total War: Three Kingdoms
Total War Saga: Thrones of Britannia
Warhammer 40.000: Dawn of War 3
World War Z

Many of your benchmark results are way off

BPHusker · Jul 23, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
Well you're not at 1080p at least so that limits the impact of the cpu somewhst. What is the 2500k clocked at?

But yeah the 970 is getting long in the tooth for newer stuff at 1440p.

But really your kind of due for an upgrade on both fronts as you are also only running 4 CPU cores and a lot of stuff now actually does use more cores/threads than that.

With PC stuff there's always going to be something new coming out within 6 mos.

If you need an upgrade just upgrade and be happy.

I'd actually say now is a pretty damn good time for a new build as the new ryzen chips just came out and if you do want rtx the 2070 super is a great option and if you don't the 5700 xt just launched too.

Like a ryzen 3600x and one of those chips plus fast ram would be a huuuuge upgrade for you. And you could do it for well under $1k.

I've had it OCed to 4.5 ghz. Here is what I had built on pcpartpicker.com.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/BPHusker/saved/Rct9GX

Mr_Mondee · Jul 23, 2019

My decision to buy a barely used hybrid 1080ti a year ago for £500 was inspired!

Pey · Jul 23, 2019

icecold1983 said:
Many of your benchmark results are way off

How come?

icecold1983 · Jul 23, 2019

Pey said:
How come?

the ratios between various gpus are just way off in several of the benches

2080s slower than 2080 in ac origins. massively faster in far cry 5 etc

Dr. Doom · Jul 23, 2019

Looks like the 2080 Super is a fail. It barely offers ANY increase over the original 2080!

Yep, I'll keep my 2080 until Nvidia offer us a TRUE increase in performance.

ThereAreFourNaan · Jul 23, 2019

Dr. Doom said:
Looks like the 2080 Super is a fail. It barely offers ANY increase over the original 2080!

Yep, I'll keep my 2080 until Nvidia offer us a TRUE increase in performance.

... It's not supposed to be an upgrade path for 2080 lol. It's an identically priced refresh to put a little bit of distance between it and the 2070 super since the regular 2080 was obsoleted by it.

lordkosc · Jul 23, 2019

The performance increase from the 2070s to the 2080s is in no way worth $200 more.

Altair · Jul 23, 2019

Dr. Doom said:
Looks like the 2080 Super is a fail. It barely offers ANY increase over the original 2080!

Yep, I'll keep my 2080 until Nvidia offer us a TRUE increase in performance.

It was always gonna be a negligible increase. A significant performance jump is what the 2080ti is for. That's not to say the 2080s is a good card because it's not. It's a completely pointless card to be honest. The only people it would even be somewhat appealing to are people building an entirely new PC and even then I'd say it has little value as an extra $200 for the negligible boost in performance is not remotely worth it. The only decent card from this refresh is the 2070s.

dgrdsv · Jul 23, 2019

Dr. Doom said:
Looks like the 2080 Super is a fail. It barely offers ANY increase over the original 2080!

Yep, I'll keep my 2080 until Nvidia offer us a TRUE increase in performance.

It's just an upgrade on 2080. Hence why it's called 2080 too. The only reason for its existence is the performance of 2070 Super which is too close to the old 2080 for it to remain on the market.

sandboxgod · Jul 23, 2019

As we figured the 2080S is not super stellar. Now I am just deciding between the 2080ti or 2070S for my GPU upgrade. It's time to lift up from my gtx 1080

Hamster Plugin · Jul 23, 2019

sandboxgod said:
As we figured the 2080S is not super stellar. Now I am just deciding between the 2080ti or 2070S for my GPU upgrade. It's time to lift up from my gtx 1080

2080 Ti is the only sensible upgrade for a 1080 owner, but... you know, the price of that damn thing.

I have a 1070 and I'm waiting for next gen.

ThereAreFourNaan · Jul 23, 2019

lordkosc said:
The performance increase from the 2070s to the 2080s is in no way worth $200 more.

Indeed, although that was basically already true of the vanilla 2070 vs 2080. The margin between them only slightly shrunk and the price gap is identical. The x70 is almost always the better buy compared to the x80, every generation.

Soxfan · Jul 23, 2019

New Egg just put the GigaByte 2070 Supers in stock if anyone is still looking. They have both White and Black versions

Deleted member 1594 · Jul 23, 2019

One video I saw had the right title. "This is what happens when AMD is out of striking distance."

I'm just shocked by how many people thought the 2080S could get close to the TI performance. That wouldn't make any sense. Nvidia wants you to buy the 2080 TI. They also want you to buy a 2080 instead of a 2070. Though for my money, you should either get a 2070S, a 2080 Ti, or say fuck it and wait until the next batch of cards.

sandboxgod · Jul 23, 2019

Hamster Plugin said:
2080 Ti is the only sensible upgrade for a 1080 owner, but... you know, the price of that damn thing.

I have a 1070 and I'm waiting for next gen.

I'm gaming in 1440p so it doesn't feel like I need that much to get to where I want to be. Plus I wouldnt mind playing around with the ray traced shadows (I'm a coder)

LordDraven · Jul 23, 2019

so which would be worth upgrading to from a standard 1070?

Deleted member 1594 · Jul 23, 2019

sandboxgod said:
Plus I wouldnt mind playing around with the ray traced shadows (I'm a coder)

So am I. They aren't worth it.

sandboxgod · Jul 23, 2019

Jim2point0 said:
So am I. They aren't worth it.

I also have a 144hz refresh monitor. It's definitely worth it
(my 1080 is falling short of 144hz for some of my racers). Now if all I cared bout was 60hz then I wouldn't care
plus I have an intel i9-9900k so at this point my only bottleneck is the GPU.

Also some of these recent AAA titles like Plague's Tale is falling a little below 60fps at High for me. That's a no-go
(I'm actually 3440x1440p which is more demanding than 2560x1440)
I can definitely afford to upgrade but I just think these 2080ti prices are cray

Lakeside · Jul 23, 2019

Jim2point0 said:
One video I saw had the right title. "This is what happens when AMD is out of striking distance."

I'm just shocked by how many people thought the 2080S could get close to the TI performance. That wouldn't make any sense. Nvidia wants you to buy the 2080 TI. They also want you to buy a 2080 instead of a 2070. Though for my money, you should either get a 2070S, a 2080 Ti, or say fuck it and wait until the next batch of cards.

You could argue that there's a scenario where AMD is pushing so they use a cut down TU102 chip for the 2080 Super, then they'd need a Titan RTX with reduced VRAM for a 2080 Ti Super (and then that would be the lame card in the stack).

Of course I don't know what the TU102 yield situation looks like, nor do I know if it's financially viable. But it's a fun theoretical.

I came super close to picking up a 2080 Super to tinker with at 3440x1440 / 60Hz. I have some games where the extra little bit of performance might come in handy. When I had a 2080 Ti in this box it felt like overkill unless I was playing a game with ray tracing. I may yet do this but I didn't pull the trigger today and of course I know the value proposition isn't there.

Had I not JUST missed the EVGA direct stock (and therefore the 5% code discount) then I might have done it.

TaySan · Jul 23, 2019

Anybody with a 1080 or higher is better off waiting until the next gen.

sandboxgod · Jul 23, 2019

TaySan said:
Anybody with a 1080 or higher is better off waiting until the next gen.

I should be able to get a good price for my old 1080 on ebay. I can damn near break even on a 2070S there is absolutely zero reason to wait (actually realistically it will be like $200 difference at most? Thats not bad)
Only reason I waited this long is because I wanted to upgrade everything else in my setup 1st.

Also waited on the 2080S announcement just to make sure it was going to match the rumors/leaks

TaySan · Jul 23, 2019

sandboxgod said:
I should be able to get a good price for my old 1080 on ebay. I can damn near break even on a 2070S there is absolutely zero reason to wait (actually realistically it will be like $200 difference at most? Thats not bad)
Only reason I waited this long is because I wanted to upgrade everything else in my setup 1st.

Also waited on the 2080S announcement just to make sure it was going to match the rumors/leaks

Ehh I guess 1080 ti or better if you can sell the 1080 for a decent price. 2080 ti is Titan prices. :/

Magneto · Jul 23, 2019

LordDraven said:
so which would be worth upgrading to from a standard 1070?

Got a standard 1070 too, i think imma go with the Super 2070.

Lakeside · Jul 23, 2019

sandboxgod said:
I should be able to get a good price for my old 1080 on ebay. I can damn near break even on a 2070S there is absolutely zero reason to wait (actually realistically it will be like $200 difference at most? Thats not bad)
Only reason I waited this long is because I wanted to upgrade everything else in my setup 1st.

Also waited on the 2080S announcement just to make sure it was going to match the rumors/leaks

The EVGA 2080 Ti Black @ $950 after associate code looks pretty solid honestly, if you even remotely considered higher end. It's a 2 slot cooler on the non-A binned silicon but a decent buy. It's even better if you are in a state where they don't collect sales tax.

Edit: Changed "affiliate" code to "associate" code. They are not the same.

sandboxgod · Jul 23, 2019

Lakeside said:
The EVGA 2080 Ti Black @ $950 after affiliate code looks pretty solid honestly, if you even remotely considered higher end. It's a 2 slot cooler on the non-A binned silicon but a decent buy. It's even better if you are in a state where they don't collect sales tax.

Thanks! That looks like a solid deal it's at least below the $1000 price point. I'll probably snag that and throw my old 1080 gtx on ebay after it arrives

Lakeside · Jul 23, 2019

sandboxgod said:
Thanks! That looks like a solid deal it's at least below the $1000 price point. I'll probably snag that and throw my old 1080 gtx on ebay after it arrives

Associate codes should be easy to come by. A lot of people were posting them in anticipation of the launch.

MasterOfMagnet · Jul 23, 2019

Gegz said:
Got a standard 1070 too, i think imma go with the Super 2070.

Yeah I think thats the correct choice for 1440p gaming. They could have cut back on the 2080s price a bit to make the jump from the 2070s more palatable for people willing to put a bit extra dosh for faster frames without going into TI territory but by leaving it at the original price it ends up being too bad of a proposition.

Altair · Jul 23, 2019

LordDraven said:
so which would be worth upgrading to from a standard 1070?

2070s, 2080ti or wait until next gen.

Lakeside · Jul 23, 2019

MasterOfMagnet said:
Yeah I think thats the correct choice for 1440p gaming. They could have cut back on the 2080s price a bit to make the jump from the 2070s more palatable for people willing to put a bit extra dosh for faster frames without going into TI territory but by leaving it at the original price it ends up being too bad of a proposition.

Guessing the issue would be the supply of flawless TU104 dies to meet greater demand. They are already pushing the TDP rating up from 215W to 250W so I'm guessing that gives them a larger selection of VRAM and TU104 to utilize. Regardless yields likely govern what they can supply for this model.

Deleted member 1594 · Jul 23, 2019

sandboxgod said:
I also have a 144hz refresh monitor. It's definitely worth it

Yeah I meant the shadows. They aren't worth it. Nothing ray-tracing so far has been worth it really.

Lakeside said:
When I had a 2080 Ti in this box it felt like overkill unless I was playing a game with ray tracing.

I have a 2080TI and a 3440x1440 monitor too. But nothing is ever overkill. I play a lot of games at 5160x2160 (DSR). Looks so much better, and I prefer that over native res with ray tracing as the differences usually just aren't worth the massive performance hit.

Lakeside · Jul 23, 2019

Jim2point0 said:
Yeah I meant the shadows. They aren't worth it. Nothing ray-tracing so far has been worth it really.

I have a 2080TI and a 3440x1440 monitor too. But nothing is ever overkill. I play a lot of games at 5160x2160 (DSR). Looks so much better, and I prefer that over native res with ray tracing as the differences usually just aren't worth the massive performance hit.

Nothing is literally overkill when it comes to GPUs. You can always turn on additional bells and whistles. It just felt unnecessary from my value perspective, which is rare. Unfortunately I also find my 1080 Ti to be lacking at times so perhaps it wasn't as overkill as I had hoped.

Cerealmaterial · Jul 23, 2019

I keep thinking of upgrading my 1080 to a 2070 super but the AU price is just too much. Maybe it's better that way seeing as we're not looking at a generational leap. The performance increase at 3440x1440 would be welcome though.

TaySan · Jul 23, 2019

Lakeside said:
Affiliate codes should be easy to come by. A lot of people were posting them in anticipation of the launch.

Err I think they are associate codes not affiliate codes.

Associate codes?

Lakeside · Jul 23, 2019

TaySan said:
Associate codes?

They have a referral program basically. If you meet certain critera then you get a referral code. People use it, they get discounts (5% on GPUs) and you get store credit.

https://www.evga.com/associates/

Edit: Don't go running to sign up without understanding that if you HAVE a code then you cannot use a code.

LordDraven · Jul 23, 2019

Vengeance said:
2070s, 2080ti or wait until next gen.

Eta for next gen?

Enrico Pallazzo · Jul 24, 2019

Ordered ASUS ROG Strix 2070 Super OC a few minutes ago. Review says the GPU is tiny 1% slower than RTX 2080 in 1440p. Good deal.

Techpowerup Review

Escaflow · Jul 24, 2019

Not much review with RTX benchmarks , quite interested on that . Maybe I'll just wait until Control out and see how it fares .

パンダさん · Jul 24, 2019

febLey said:
I could order the 2070 Super FE right now.
Still unsure if I should wait for the Gigabyte Windforce OC :|

Follow up: Ordered the 2070 Super Founders Edition. I am hype!

Deleted member 49611 · Jul 24, 2019

Still very happy with my 2080. The Super 2080 is only slightly better and higher TDP. Plus they totally went and ruined the Founder's Edition design with the mirror finish and ugly green super logo.

dgrdsv · Jul 24, 2019

Jim2point0 said:
I'm just shocked by how many people thought the 2080S could get close to the TI performance. That wouldn't make any sense. Nvidia wants you to buy the 2080 TI.

I don't think that they even have an option of selling 2080Ti at $700 right now. TU102 is too big for that. And there's no other way of putting 2080Ti performance into 2080S. Which is also the reason why they'll wait till next year to switch to 7nm.

LordDraven said:
Eta for next gen?

First half of 2020.

Pey · Jul 24, 2019

icecold1983 said:
the ratios between various gpus are just way off in several of the benches

2080s slower than 2080 in ac origins. massively faster in far cry 5 etc

I can assure you those are the results. I run the benchmarks three or four times each. All with the same setup. The thing is, the ones with the 2080 were benchmarked when said GPU was launched and tested with those older games, so Windows updates and drivers may affect the result. Games like FC New Dawn and AC: Odyssey and other new games (like Total War: Three Kingdoms, F1 2019 and WWZ) were all added weeks ago when I reviewed the 2060 and 2070 SUPER. I actually thought of removing games like F1 2018, Dawn of War 3, FC5 and ACO, since they do no longer receive updates and are not optimized for Turing architecture.

Deleted member 1594 · Jul 24, 2019

WillJoe said:
Plus they totally went and ruined the Founder's Edition design with the mirror finish and ugly green super logo.

That's ok, you can just hyrdo dip it :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnE3TBIYDs

Atolm · Jul 24, 2019

I'm an idiot. I didn't factor selling my 1080. With that I can buy the 2080Ti.

sandboxgod · Jul 24, 2019

Hamster Plugin said:
2080 Ti is the only sensible upgrade for a 1080 owner, but... you know, the price of that damn thing.

I have a 1070 and I'm waiting for next gen.

Yeah you guys/gals have convinced me to just go into a 2080ti next. I'll probably wait til end of summer or early Sept to get the 2080ti. I just wanted to be upgraded for Ghost Recon Breakpoint so I still have a little time. Right now I've been pillaging my backlog. off topic but I remained strong during this last Steam Summer sale and only purchased productivity/non-gaming software like Digital Fusion Pro to help manage my ultrawide screen real estate.

tl;dr - I can postphone upgrading. I'm unfortunately gonna miss out on the free Wolfenstein/Control download codes but I need to wrap up my backlog games anyways

DrDeckard · Jul 24, 2019

So happy with my MSI trio X 2080 that i got for £550 in January....thanks amazon.

Fizzgig · Jul 24, 2019

Thinking of upgrading my 1070 to the 2070S

Izayoi · Jul 24, 2019

How do you determine binning on a particular card? 2080s results are really disappointing, guess I'm going to pull the trigger on the 2080ti.

Lakeside · Jul 24, 2019

Izayoi said:
How do you determine binning on a particular card? 2080s results are really disappointing, guess I'm going to pull the trigger on the 2080ti.

Look up a card you are considering on the Techpowerup database. You will see an image of the die. If the chip is a "300" then it's lower binned. If it's "300A" then it's higher binned.

Basically if it's factory overclocked at all then it's 300A.

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