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NVidia GTC presentation slide claims "RTX 2080 > next gen console"
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The XB1X uses something like 180w in a console half the size of the Xbox. It wouldn't surprise me if Xbox series X is designed for 300w. With a 140mm fan exhausting through the top, it should cool the console enough for such power consumption.
I can definitely believe 300W. That likely isn't all going to the GPU though, they aren't using Jaguar cores this go around.
I don't expect a new console to be better than a GPU that, alone, probably draws the same amount of power of the console.
My main concern with PC parts right now is cost-efficiency. I'm delaying my PC upgrade because I don't believe any of the current GPUs will offer a good margin when compared to the consoles.
My main concern with PC parts right now is cost-efficiency. I'm delaying my PC upgrade because I don't believe any of the current GPUs will offer a good margin when compared to the consoles.
In raw performance, I am sure the 2080 could be better. However, the optimization for consoles goes a lot farther (just ask Jon Carmack) so the point is moot.
If it is anywhere in the neighborhood of the same base performance, plus a good dev cycle, you'll get a hell of a lot more performance per dollar.
If it is anywhere in the neighborhood of the same base performance, plus a good dev cycle, you'll get a hell of a lot more performance per dollar.
Leaks specs suggest they are around the 2080 super in power.
I mean, when you look at what is said in some threads and places, and given some reactions to this obvious statement...
Can't you just get a new GPU down the road (sell and upgrade)? Pretty much anyone replacing/upgrading their system a few years after the consoles release will be able to get good value and be set for the rest of the gen - so maybe just count on that down the road. In the meantime just bump stuff down to 1080p or something, I'm curious how it'll all play out but there'll always be a solution around the corner.
Me neither. Even if dev kits have this kind of performance I would be surprised to see it in the final retail release.
Well it's a prebuilt PC and I don't have the boxes that comes with the graphic card etc is it still sellable at a decent price without the official boxes?
And very large dies at that, since they hadn't benefitted from the process node shrink yet. People are crazy.
the 2080 super costs 800 euros, and that's a gpu alone. you can't be serious.
No... this gen consoles perform in line with their respective desktop gpu.
Modern dx12 and Vulkan + more easily usable hw (you can extract perf more easily these days, especially on NV) makes this old John Carmack quote you are thinking about not very relevant. In dx9 days? Sure.
I'm not talking about my expectations. All I'm saying is the most prevalent leaks and rumors suggest both consoles are above 12tf RDNA.
Sure, but they'll have to drop prices for a while to not lose customers to console.
A 2060 is a fine card.
No.
There are still things you just can't do under dx12/vulcan and optimizing around single hw target is simply more cost effective, there's no way around that until we stop using humans for the work ;)
How much it all matters is definitely debatable though, even if you had a definite % number you can expect.
I don't know if you can answer but will it be the case on the next-generation console about anisotropic filtering or if you can't answer on RDNA GPU.
Haha., yeah. GCN on PC probably also loves the wavefront mapping already done on console working out so well under Vulkan :D, Turing, Pascal and such see less love there.
There is no doubt the 2080 is more powerful, but I would rather get an entire console instead of an overpriced GPU.
Yes. They always do. Every single generation. Look what they were doing with a measly 512MB of RAM at the end of last gen.
This thread went about as well as expected.
I dont think anybody should have expected the GPU's of these consoles to reach the absolute highest end of PC hardware, even a year out from release. It certainly wasnt true this gen or the gen before. I can say definitively before we get "official" details that they absolutely will not get that far.
However, its also true that Nvidia's slides here are reminiscent of their exact words at the beginning of this generation too before they got the switch contract(consoles are dead anyways so blahblahblah). Its almost mandatory for them to do this, the HD twins are almost as much of their opponent in terms of mindshare as AMD itself, especially due to them using its stuff. The fact that they even felt the need to put the next gen machines on the same level as their premium products says it all really.
What i can say is that the consoles beefing up in terms of power and getting rid of bottlenecks consoles have had for generations (CPU, changing from HDD to SSD tech, investment in RT ect) means that Nvidia and Intel both have to step up their game to keep their value propositions to AMD's hardware and also Sony and MS's brands.
Also, anyone saying that game development is not going to be significantly pushed forward by the consoles adopting these technologies and setting a far higher base standard than current gen is being silly, its just a reality. Now all developers will have access to star citizen level tech instead of just a single dev not accounting for all types of PC configurations, and that's good for all parties involved
Rising tides lifts all boats or whatever
I dont think anybody should have expected the GPU's of these consoles to reach the absolute highest end of PC hardware, even a year out from release. It certainly wasnt true this gen or the gen before. I can say definitively before we get "official" details that they absolutely will not get that far.
However, its also true that Nvidia's slides here are reminiscent of their exact words at the beginning of this generation too before they got the switch contract(consoles are dead anyways so blahblahblah). Its almost mandatory for them to do this, the HD twins are almost as much of their opponent in terms of mindshare as AMD itself, especially due to them using its stuff. The fact that they even felt the need to put the next gen machines on the same level as their premium products says it all really.
What i can say is that the consoles beefing up in terms of power and getting rid of bottlenecks consoles have had for generations (CPU, changing from HDD to SSD tech, investment in RT ect) means that Nvidia and Intel both have to step up their game to keep their value propositions to AMD's hardware and also Sony and MS's brands.
Also, anyone saying that game development is not going to be significantly pushed forward by the consoles adopting these technologies and setting a far higher base standard than current gen is being silly, its just a reality. Now all developers will have access to star citizen level tech instead of just a single dev not accounting for all types of PC configurations, and that's good for all parties involved
Rising tides lifts all boats or whatever
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It would seemingly outperform similar spec pc cards if it makes better use of its features, such as using dynamic resolution and variable rate shading, while pc is brute forcing resolution and shading.
They do not outperform their paper specs, they more closely come to utilising their paper specs.
Punching above weight is a phrase I really dislike, rather they leverage their weight.
VRS is available on PC (that is where it started on NV cards) and DRS is, likewise, available in PC titles and is a game per game thing, much like it is on console.
Nope. Consoles performed exactly as expected based on their specs, as was comprehensively proven during this generation.
Yes, it is a much better explanation after new console generations are always a great moment because it moves the minimum requirement target and makes new GPU features as major target and software will improve a lot. This time the CPU, RAM and GPU improvement will not be the only big things with huge storage bandwidth and latency improvement.
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Well, I wouldn't imagine you using the 'overpriced GPU' with nothing else. In said case, I'll take my much more powerful PC over any console, but that's besides the point. Can't make a realistic 1:1 comparison on this anyway, not when several unknowns are involved.
I would hope it would be around there. It has to last the entire generation unless Sony and MS plan on doing mid-gen refreshes again. Nvidia will have it's 3xxx series cards out before those consoles launch anyway and you'll likely find something like a 3060 retailing for less than a 2080 is right now for basically the same performance.
GPU-based pipelines are probably more relevant to the issue at hand, since they significantly reduce surface area exposure to the command buffer generation portion of the API. Memory management on PCs is still messy, and the compiler infrastructure is still far more opaque and difficult to deal with (PSO build time, code gen quality, intrinsics, etc.), so things aren't necessarily great still.
I'm not sure what you mean here (are you just talking about 64 thread dispatch granularity?), but if I were NV one threat I would consider is that rendering programmers think almost entirely in terms of GCN now. That said NV's devrel/architects are great folks, too, and we have excellent conversations with them fairly regularly.
In other news, water is wet and the sky is blue. No one with a shred of common sense would think next-gen consoles would outperform a 2080.
It's the same shit every console gen, people hype up/overestimate the "power" of next-gen hardware only to fall back to reality once specs come out.
It's the same shit every console gen, people hype up/overestimate the "power" of next-gen hardware only to fall back to reality once specs come out.
Ok I concede. Regardless, we all gonna eat next gen.
If the consoles are anywhere near 2080 levels and games are being built from the ground up for that powerlevel then it will be a special gen.
Right. Its more accurate to say that consoles perform closer to their theo. max more often than PC parts. PCs have heavier abstraction that blunts some of the performance. Consoles have abstraction as well but it can be bypassed if a dev chooses which isn't a realistic option for PC developers who have to support a wide array of archs.
You do realize that last gen, developer used a crap ton of tricks and lowering graphical settings in order to get things to run?
They were 100% not equivalent to a better PC while getting more 'power' out of the specs. That was 100% a lie.
The secret sauce does not exist.
The 2080 costs more than the new consoles will and that's just for a GPU. I don't think it should be too surprising to anyone that it is more powerful.
For whatever reason, probably dx11 and associated IHV drivers, I'd say this barely made a difference save for some specific instances.
Going forward in the future this point seems mostly moot.
GTX 680 released in 2012 - 3.2TF GPU, 2GB VRAM( most popular model )
I think its doing pretty meh tbh and that VRAM is a joke for a long time.... almost 2 times the power of PS4 GPU( and those are NVIDIA flops vs old AMD flops ). I bet some of those games are running at lower than PS4 settings even.
I think its doing pretty meh tbh and that VRAM is a joke for a long time.... almost 2 times the power of PS4 GPU( and those are NVIDIA flops vs old AMD flops ). I bet some of those games are running at lower than PS4 settings even.
Seriously people, watch the video. he is talking about a laptop. You're doing all of this for nothing
It's not even a new line, he said the same thing at CES
nvidianews.nvidia.com
It's not even a new line, he said the same thing at CES
NVIDIA GeForce RTX Powers Record Number of New Gaming Laptops
CES -- NVIDIA today announced that the world’s top manufacturers are bringing to market a record number of laptops based on its revolutionary Turing GPU architecture — including the fastest, thinnest and lightest systems ever created.
nvidianews.nvidia.com
Why are people talking about gpu costs as if sony and ms would be paying consumer prices for these cards?
2080 was the baseline in regards to what people thought would be in those consoles. People were bringing up the 2080 Ti in some threads. I get that next gen gets people hyped, but some of the things being said in those threads were absolutely ridiculous.