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Nvidia DLSS 2.1 adds VR, dynamic resolution, 9x scaling mode
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Like wwm0nkey said, the GPU likely wouldn't be able to do it in parallel with other tasks it's doing. If the ML step takes 8ms, that only leaves 8ms for the GPU to do everything else in a 60fps game.
Plus, the general compute units of AMD cards don't match what Nvidia cores can do for Machine Learning. Even outside of games, if you want to do ML for fun as a hobby an Nvidia card is leaps and bounds better.
VR support is the news I had been hoping for. I suddenly feel the need to get something with a higher resolution screen like the G2.
Really good to see the VR support. It might not be supported for many indies, but Oculus does have their own 16x scaling method in the works at the driver level:
https://uploadvr.com/facebook-neural-supersampling/
https://uploadvr.com/facebook-neural-supersampling/
It's also WAY more demanding though is the bigger issue, until that gets solved DLSS will probably be the better solution.
I'm curious, will future DLSS versions continue to be backwards compatible to the 2000-series? Is there any reason that they wouldn't be after some amount of time?
That's exactly what I do. It's probably not as good as 4k Netflix but it looks much better than standard Netflix without the upscaling. And it works on everything, while I think not everything is available in 4k on Netflix even if you pay for it.
Yup DLSS is 110% what VR needed for that visual and performance boost.
Ultra Performance Mode might not, but yeah DLSS 2.1 in general works on Turing too.
Some do. Any game that doesn't use forward rendering and MSAA tends to have horrible IQ, though. If you don't truly get rid of jaggies, it looks terrible in VR. Why? Because you're head is never truly still. So with the screen always moving slightly, jaggies will "crawl" all over the place. And some of the alt AA methods do get rid of most jaggies, but then have a thick layer of vasoline that makes everything look low res. It's a pick your poison proposition.
Carmack has been pretty emphatic about wanting all VR games to use forward rendering and MSAA.
HL:A is a game that also uses a forward rendering engine (and looks amazing and is jag free in VR). Normally this is the route of the smaller, indie guys. But Valve showed you could make an amazing AAA game with these limits, too.
That's what I'm hopeful for. Gonna hold on to my 2080ti for as long as I can. At the very least I'll hold out until AMD announces all their new stuff and hopefully build around ryzen 4k.
If DLSS 2.1 really is Turing friendly (or 2080ti at least) then that'll make the wait much easier.
DLSS is straight up disruptive tech, man. I wonder when, if ever, others will have an answer for it.
Checkerboarding and other reconstruction upscaling techniques I'll certainly improve with this next gen — I'm excited to see what they come up with — but DLSS has already lapped them and is still pulling ahead. (And this is not fanboying, I don't have an RTX card and game more frequently on console
It's funny because the companies that need this tech most are not the ones already selling the highest performing gpus in the market. It's the console manufacturers and AMD, who need to compete by squeezing every last drop of performance from every millisecond.
the next switch may get it though, which would be INCREDIBLE to see. Switch has to make so many concessions to play games ported from other 7 year old hardware, so you can only imagine how the multiplatform would dry up in this next gen. But if all of a sudden you have tensor cores on a slightly to notably more powerful GPU (and the rest) then holy shit, can you imagine the longevity?
Checkerboarding and other reconstruction upscaling techniques I'll certainly improve with this next gen — I'm excited to see what they come up with — but DLSS has already lapped them and is still pulling ahead. (And this is not fanboying, I don't have an RTX card and game more frequently on console
It's funny because the companies that need this tech most are not the ones already selling the highest performing gpus in the market. It's the console manufacturers and AMD, who need to compete by squeezing every last drop of performance from every millisecond.
the next switch may get it though, which would be INCREDIBLE to see. Switch has to make so many concessions to play games ported from other 7 year old hardware, so you can only imagine how the multiplatform would dry up in this next gen. But if all of a sudden you have tensor cores on a slightly to notably more powerful GPU (and the rest) then holy shit, can you imagine the longevity?
One great thing is while DLSS wasn't widely used in the 2000 series it has picked up enough hype on momentum that we should see it in A LOT of titles moving forward. Also yeah if the Switch 2 gets any form of DLSS it's going to be a HUGE boost to that system, they lucked out with the Nvidia partnership
I posted this recently but DLSS is the real deal, I was impressed in Minecraft RTX but since it was added to F1 2020 I can lock at 4k60 on a 2070 Super, it's a 20fps+ boost in that game and despite a couple of bugs they need to iron out it's really impressive.
And really we're in the early days of this, it will only get better. Great to see VR support.
And really we're in the early days of this, it will only get better. Great to see VR support.
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They didn't really seem to specify if 720p > 4k would also be an option, but maybe they could introduce it when they reveal their lower end RTX cards. Some people have suggested maybe it won't be an option though because 720p might not be enough image data to work with to go to 4k.
I'm not sure you'd even want that. The shift between the two might be too noticeable, because DLSS gives you a different sort of picture. It's not JUST upscaling, it's also giving you supersampled anti-aliasing that results in a sharper final image than the FXAA or TXAA that you'd apply to native res
As base resolutions go up, upscaling looks better and better for some weird magical reason.
upscaling a 96x54 images to 192x108 is not going to look noticeably better than the original
upscaling 960x540 image to 3840x2160 (4K) is going to look noticeably better than the original.
upscaling 4k images to 8k and above is going to look godlike.
nVidia thinks that 1440p is sufficient for 8k, so 4k images should be DLSS-up-scalable to 16K minimum.
Not sure we will ever have a need for 32K displays in the home. I think 16K is enough for lifelike video even with a screen the size of a full iMax screen. And not liemax either!
What does this mean?
This means there will never be a need to render games internally at more than 4K in our lifetimes. Everything extra will come from AI upscaling whenever possible (which should become standard in a few decades).
The future of gaming looks bright! You can hold me to that.
This is good news for my 2070 super and preorder HP Reverb G2. You know, when games take advantage of it.
That's amazing news. Now just more games need to support DLSS. It's so incredible, it should become a standard feature for PC games.
I wonder if you'll notice any DLSS failings in VR what with your eyes basically being right up against the screen?
It's...not that bad. My team upgraded last month. A few hassles but really nbd.
We are in for a treat in the coming years. Not only are the cards as powerful as we could have expected, we have these amazing things which these companies invest millions in R&D. To see those fruits coming to light is truly an amazing time to be a PC enthusiast.
Probably right. However you could still blend different resolutions of DLSS source into the same final picture, which should be good for foveal rendering, should mean you can get away with a lot more in the low-res parts of the image.
