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NVIDIA Cuts Price of GeForce RTX 2060 To $299
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That's a great price, especially because you can use DLSS and Raytracing.
AMD can't really compete with that imo.
AMD can't really compete with that imo.
6 GB will be fine when you don't play at 4K or max textures, I'm pretty sure of that.
Consoles will rely heavily on SSD data streaming and only have 13 GB usable RAM as well, so those are not really indications that VRAM usage will sky rocket next gen. 6-8 GB cards will be fine.
This is where it should have come out. Really the 2070 should be $400, the 2080 should be $600, and the 2080 Ti should be $800.
the gpu will run out juice well before you run into vram limits
About fucking time, that thing was overpriced at $350. It's weaker than a 5700 and a small upgrade from the 1660 Super which is $120 less. Now we won't have that ridiculous gap from 230 to 350 to upgrade to the next card because the 1660 TI sure isn't worth the extra $50 over the 1660 Super.
Admittedly the 1660 TI doesn't really have a place anymore. Unless they drop the price to $250 to make it enticing for potential 1660 Super owners to pay an extra 20 instead of 50 like before.
Admittedly the 1660 TI doesn't really have a place anymore. Unless they drop the price to $250 to make it enticing for potential 1660 Super owners to pay an extra 20 instead of 50 like before.
Nvidia is dropping prices precisely because AMD is competing, even if AMD is not doing amazing.
2060S is not strong enough to drive new games with full detail + raytracing effects. You have to sacrifice performance, standard graphics settings or raytracing. This will only get worse as games naturally get more demanding in the future.
DLSS is not dead, but it is redundant. Sharpening effects are now possible on both Nvidia and AMD GPUs with barely any performance hits, and they work really well (Nvidia's shaprening is a bit better). Shapening works on everything, no need for developers to implement anything.
AMD is not popular because they can't even match 2070S, and their drivers seem to be a little more problematic.
All AMD cards (except the 5700 family maybe) need to be cheaper
It's 6GB, even if we pretend ray tracing is a major factor right now, the 2060 doesn't have the horse power to actually use it at acceptable framerates and both AMD and Nvidia have better sharpening filters than DLSS. It's exactly Nvidia that can't compete at this price point, hence the price drop.
This is the 6GB non-Super version yeah? Still, at just $20 difference it's a no-brainer to go with the 2060 instead. Crappy cooler might be a bigger deal on the 2060 though.
The price gap between 1660Ti/Super still makes no sense considering how close they are in performance.
The price gap between 1660Ti/Super still makes no sense considering how close they are in performance.
The recent Wolfenstein RTX update shows that's not true.
If you play at 1080 without RTX, sure, but it's not enough if you want all the bells and whistles.
You will always have to sacrifice something with midrange cards, I don't see that as a problem. There's no need to always turn the settings to the highest, many times there are not even that much differences.
I suggest you to inform yourself about what DLSS is and what it does. It's not a merely sharpening filter but rather a deep learning image reconstruction software that actually adds details compared to native resolution. I can recommend the new Digital Foundry video on Wolfenstein RTX on that matter.
Wolfenstein is a unlucky case though as that game is very VRAM hungry already. Other games don't run into VRAM limits even with full RT on.
DLSS is only going to keep getting better and better. AMD need an answer especially if they want to do raytracing.
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I think it's more likely Nvidia drops the Tensor cores in future hardware and DLSS silently disappears or morphs into a more general upscaling solution.
I doubt it. Realtime raytracing and DLSS are the future of gaming moving forward. The three latest games to use DLSS all boast excellent results. They have obviously had a breakthrough. Why would they stop?
For today's games mostly yeah. These are always more long term concerns. I doubt you'd ever truly be wrecked by this limit for the next few years, but turning vram hungry settings down will likely start happening as more games use RT implementations, which can be vram intensive (like Wolf YB recently is an example of - uber settings fine normally, turn on RT and it breaks through the VRAM limit and starts thrashing causing major perf degredation until you turn texture streaming down a notch).
I believe it was speculated that Control wasn't actually using tensor cores for it's DLSS implementation, it was all in compute. But I'm not sure about others.
To be honest, I don't think that's likely. The tensor cores are needed for the interferencing of the deep learning AI model Nvidia trained on their servers. If the model runs on the GPU itself, that would cost way too much performance to make sense. That's why the tensor cores are needed to interference the DL model.
You could also have an open general upscaling solution, but that one would not be comparable to the AI supported one, especially in regards to image quality.
I believe this is true and supported by the fact that DLSS in Control has a performance hit and looks much worse than what we have in Wolfenstein and DUTTM which afaik have hardware support confirmed.
can someone school me on the raytracing for 2060? I heard it's kind of just there and not really something you should buy with "future-proofing" in mind but I'm kind of ignorant on what that might mean
ah nm, someone posted about it above, that the 2060 in terms of performance cost w/ raytracing on is not particularly strong
ah nm, someone posted about it above, that the 2060 in terms of performance cost w/ raytracing on is not particularly strong
I don't know why AMD isn't more popular RX 580 is still an insane card for the price it is. makes getting into pc gaming really cheap.
Thank you for being so formal. Unfortunately I don't need your marketing spiel, and instead, I would recommend watching independent reviews to gather information and forming conclusions:
It's pretty sufficient for 1080p60 on most titles with Raytracing on. BF5 runs at native 1080p60 ultra, textures down to high with RT medium, Metro runs at 1080p60 high, RT on with DLSS. In Control it runs at full raytracing settings with DLSS and volumetric turned down. Wolf runs with RT on, high settings at 1080p60 as well.
Overall, it's pretty good.
Sorry but the fact that you are referring to a video from months ago on even much older games that use DLSS , which is a deep learning algorithym, shows me that you are quite biased on the matter already. DLSS on those games and DLSS in newer games like Wolfenstein and Deliver Us to the Moon are a world of difference, you can check them out on any source you want.
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ELI5 , is this a good thing?
I've been thinking about building a PC and I'm not sure if now it's the right time or maybe wait for a few more months, as I'm not really in a hurry
I've been thinking about building a PC and I'm not sure if now it's the right time or maybe wait for a few more months, as I'm not really in a hurry
... Image Sharpening exists... Duh but it's not as catchy but more effective and works on all games so far than DLSS...
Content Aware Image sharpening is not the same thing and now also exists on Nvidia and can be used in conjunction with DLSS if you want.
Makes sense, in this blog they said utilizing the tensor cores was the next step.
Price drops are always good but that doesn't necessarily mean this is now the default thing to buy.
I always recommend waiting if you don't literally need something right now. New products will release, prices will come down. Without knowing the exact future we can't know when the "right time to buy" is, of course.
I use image sharpening along with DLSS. It works great together. AMD need an answer.
The pc i got on black friday has one. Really pleased with it so far even tho i mostly play ffxiv on it.
Haha except AMD doesn't have anything to really compete with the 2080ti
When they announce big navi we'll probably see the drop on 2080ti
Now. If you don't have a gaming PC, the time is now.
CPUs are in a very good spot price/performance. RAM/Storage is probably at the lowest and predicted to climb up. GPUs in $200-360 are great, anything above is dropping off price/performance wise heavily.
For now, maybe. (maybe).
I always like extra ram on my cards. I remember I got a HD4890 a long time ago, got the 1GB version. Everybody advised me to get the 512mb version. Later, was sure glad I had the extra VRAM. Heck I almost used that card to play Destiny 2 PC in 2019 (I had sold my RX 480 to bitcoiners, had nothing but an intel IGP!)
Same deal I recently bought a 570 on the cheap, just to have some basic gaming capability (not much of a PC gamer). Although people like you would claim 4GB was fine, I feel great having the 8GB version.
6GB vs 8GB is less of a delta though, but still a little troubling.
It's safe to assume that DLSS was not powered by AI before Deliver Us To The Moon. Which is really dumb from Nvidias side because DLSS reputation got a pretty strong hit with the first implementations. Maybe the deep learning models were not ready at that time.
That's what I wanted know. Are we expecting new cards soonish?
Last time I build a PC for gaming purpose was like 12 years ago, so I have no ideas how the market works atm 😅
Tech is constantly getting better/improving. Now DLSS is bearing fruit. The same youtubers that shit on DLSS in Metro didn't say anything about it when Nvidia improved it a couple of weeks later. People like to sell negativity.
This year we expect Big Navi and the RTX 3000 series. But that could be anywhere from June to December, we have no idea.
I mean by that time we'll be much closer to the reveal of the 30 series so I don't think it's that unlikely.
That's what deep "learning" is, at the start is not gonna be that good with the passing of time it improves.
The last video of DF about RT and DLSS on Wolfenstein show how good DLSS can be.
Wolfenstein Youngblood - Ray Tracing/VRS/DLSS in id Tech 6 - A Next-Gen Features Showcase?
id Tech 6 - a properly impressive, performant engine gets a ray tracing upgrade, along with the most impressive DLSS support we've seen yet *and* VRS (variab...
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Do you think VRAM usage will increase because the next consoles arrive, that only have 13 GB shared RAM/VRAM and rely on SSD data streaming? I don't see that. Those textures in next gen games will be also likely made for 4K resolution as well, so I would think at 1080p (maybe even 1440p) and normal texture settings, you will be fine with 6 GB.
Lockhart also sets the baseline a bit lower, RTX 2060 is performing a good step above Lockhart.
Yes that's right. It's pretty amazing how good DLSS has become.That's what deep "learning" is, at the start is not gonna be that good with the passing of time it improves.
The last video of DF about RT and DLSS on Wolfenstein show how good DLSS can be.
Wolfenstein Youngblood - Ray Tracing/VRS/DLSS in id Tech 6 - A Next-Gen Features Showcase?
id Tech 6 - a properly impressive, performant engine gets a ray tracing upgrade, along with the most impressive DLSS support we've seen yet *and* VRS (variab...
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It's funny how I occasionally see comments as if AMD isn't serious competition. And yet Nvidia is constantly reacting to them.
EVGA KO now looks like a bad deal since the cooling seems cheap AF but then again I don't think there is that much old 2060 stock out there so if you want it you have to buy these new cheaply built cards. 2060 is a very good card at this new price imo. Now 2060 super seems very overpriced and just not worth it. It's not really that much better in performance and $100 for 2GB more VRAM is poor value.
In a perfect world, 2060 super would have been 2060 from the start and now sold for $300, sigh.
In a perfect world, 2060 super would have been 2060 from the start and now sold for $300, sigh.
This are excellent news and the reason why competition is always good for the consumer. The 2060 is more than enough for people who only gonna bother with 1080p (like me), plus it has native ray tracing! I'm just waiting for retailers to drop the prices on their pages so I can order one! Glad I waited cuz I was about to purchase a 1660 Super last week. Currently waiting for the new KO model by EVGA but is still not available on Amazon.