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NPD November 2018: All three consoles over 1.3m for the month
- Thread starter ZhugeEX
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To be fair, that was under leadership that saw Xbox as so much more than an Xbox and had it's hooks deep into the idea that it would be a focal point of an entertainment system. And when I say to be fair, I say that knowing they were so very wrong and out of touch with the market and holy shit it's so nice to have Phil Spencer in the position he is in.
Still way off and he sounds like he doesn't have a clue.
Last gen ended up at roughly 250m - 270m console sales (Wii, 360, PS3)not counting handhelds.
This gen will most likely end up at 270m-340m. And a lot from that growth will come from the Switch being bought in Japan because it's a portable system. So 1 billion or even above 400m sounds stupid no matter how you spin it.
Total number of consoles sold for all of last gen wii, 360, ps3, other devices - 400 million. Hopeful expectation of all current gen consoles and console like devices 1 billion. People are reaching when they think MS is just talking about Xbox One reaching 1 billion units in sales. Kinda stupid to be honest.
No, 300 million was his last gen number. The second part of your post suggests that you should re-read my post.
As always thanks to Benji MatPiscatella for the numbers/context.
Shout out to Liabe Brave for "Joe Homer" lol
Shout out to Liabe Brave for "Joe Homer" lol
The issue is assuming the bumps seen in prior gens was "normal" to begin with.
It wasn't.
It wasn't.
I used the word "narrative" as a rebuttal (what I've written is really how I think the year went overall).
Some people are taking that billion comment too literally. He wasn't giving financial guidance for the division. He was basically saying, "Gaming is huge. It's forecast to grow strongly. We think it can grow even more."
There was no day 1 reviews, so a bunch of the sales will have been pre-orders that had no real idea that the game would be that bad. Also the gap from #2 to #3/#4 is probably very big, so chart position does not mean big sales relative to expectation. I think there was already a very big difference between the Fallout 4 launch and the New Vegas launch and it says that 76 launch is below New Vegas. So if their expectation was to launch in similar size as F4 this launch is far from it.
To be fair basically every article and comment on the internet misrepresents what was said and especially what he meant to say.
So unless you assume Yusuf Mehdi said, with at straight face, Microsoft is aiming to get 100% market share of the total extended multi console owner market, he did not say nor expected to sell 1 billion Xbox One consoles.
It's the same as the 2 billion gamer comment from Phil Spencer, they want to reach.
But he got the growing console market wrong, and the option to extend that like using them as Apple and Fire TV.
Today Microsoft says the total console user market is about 180m (non multi console ownership figure)
This was a usual "total addressable market" comment.
Yes.
Will be close, but my guess has RDR2 slightly ahead by year end.
I guess that's part of the reason the bundle sales are back on for the latter half of December then.
Especially when "generational sales" are not a perfect indicator for growth - PS2 did 50m after 360 + PS3 launch.
A better metric would be console hw sold in 5 years for example, but that would also be kind of arbritary because of overlaps.
Growth is there of course, but talking about reaching 1 billion customers makes him look like a megalomaniac in hindsight. How exactly was MS planing to reach those IOS and Android users? As I've said before, when X1 launched MS PR also targetted 40% market share in Germany...lol, didn't happen.
Probably around 50/50 but remember that Blops 4 doesn't have any PC digital sales as part of NPD's data so it most likely is the highest selling of the 2 by a good amount taking that into account.
PSN top sellers for November
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2018/12/14/playstation-store-novembers-top-downloads-3/
Sorry if I missed it ppl (and I've skimmed through some posts but dont see it) but any numbers on the PSVR sales?? I am really curious about that.
Also good to see all companies selling well. It bodes well for a continued three front console future and no one holding back. I am particularly interested in the Sony versus Microsoft future consoles because I know both will be going for the jugular, packing great features in good hardware. 2019 and 2020 are going to be the next great year of gamers in terms of hardware info and anxiousness.
Also good to see all companies selling well. It bodes well for a continued three front console future and no one holding back. I am particularly interested in the Sony versus Microsoft future consoles because I know both will be going for the jugular, packing great features in good hardware. 2019 and 2020 are going to be the next great year of gamers in terms of hardware info and anxiousness.
Damn Tlou remastered still in it? Nice to see. TLOU 2 will be a same juggernaut.
Would you guys be able to tell how BFV did in relation to BF4/1?
Mr MatPiscatella how is AC Odyssey doing? good enough? kinda soft? it was a high profile SP game releasing on the holidays against other juggernauts which intrigues me.
Ummm, no... that is not what it said. It says,
You left out the first sentence.
Wow thank you, I hope Ubisoft is pleased, I kinda think it doesn't really deserve it lol. Good year for Single Player games all around then.
MatPiscatella having seen the initial PR for Smash, do you think Smash has a chance to break into the top 10 software for the year, or would that be too much for the game to achieve in just this one month?
I believe all the games are over 4 million, will it do that much Physical only? I don't see that.
Oh, all games really are over 4 million already? That's way bigger than I had imagined.
I hope software numbers become more routinely available in the future, because people will argue anything that doesn't have an objective sales number attached to disproving what they are saying. All the documented facts about low preorder numbers and rapid price adjustment just flies over their heads.
It feels like a great sales year for a very solid range of games -- glad to hear it. I even think a lot of the high profile indies tended to do well more often than not, too.
It's not even all about the actual software unit sales, I think. BFV was one of the titles that was heavily discounted within like two weeks after launch, which is quite a bad sign for a major game like this.
Best hardware for November. If something's missing (like an unknown PSone performance) feel free to fill the gap !
* Wii (November 2008 with 2,04 million)
* Xbox 360 (November 2011 with 1,70 million)
* PlayStation 4 (November 2017 with 1,69 million)
* PlayStation 4 (November 2015 with 1,54 million)
* PlayStation 4 (November 2018 with 1,48 million)
* Wii (November 2008 with 2,04 million)
* Xbox 360 (November 2011 with 1,70 million)
* PlayStation 4 (November 2017 with 1,69 million)
* PlayStation 4 (November 2015 with 1,54 million)
* PlayStation 4 (November 2018 with 1,48 million)
Agreed 100%. The whole point is we're being told by people in the know that the price cutting was abnormally fast and and aggressive. And if somebody has paid anything attention to what has been going with those games in terms of PR issues or weirdly out of character responses to player complaints, none of it is surprising.
What I'd like to know, and maybe Benji or Mat can inform us - are people who wait for price drops on a game less likely to get hooked into being microtransaction customers? If somebody is buying BO4 this month, or waited the whopping two weeks (/s) on F76 and BFV, do they tend to spend less than the day one customers? I figure that would be the case, but the way some F2P games like Fortnite can convert brand new customers into spenders months or years after the fact, I can't really be so certain about it. The whole "TTK" debacle with BFV reads like the people who picked the game up outside of the immediate launch week didn't stick with the game and EA saw it as a huge issue for the intended revenue stream.
To be fair it's not so much that BFV is a disaster or anything. Steep price discounts are lifting it from its soft launch and honestly it's looking like it may do pretty alright in December as well
It's more that it's just pretty soft especially in comparison to the smashing success BF1 was. Honestly BFV reminds me a lot of Battlefront 2 in terms of being a game down quite a bit from its predecessor, missing expectations, and then relying heavily on discounts to push units.
VR remain really niche. Discounts did lift units but not to a degree that would be considered any sort of major performance.
That said I know first hand VR doesnt actually cost Sony that much in terms of investment and internally its seen as a sort of passion project. I wouldn't be too worried about it.
But yeah its certainly not any sort of breakout mainstream performance. It's more a small, dedicated community
A important bit was shared in the previous thread by the way : in November, the PS4 LTD (27,5 million) went beyond the PS3 LTD (26,8 million).
The Xbox One on the flipside has fallen behind the Xbox 360 after 61 months (23,6 million), but the three-sixty was a particular beast in the US.
The Xbox One on the flipside has fallen behind the Xbox 360 after 61 months (23,6 million), but the three-sixty was a particular beast in the US.
