No they didn't. It would be literally impossible to have both the same stock allocation while PS4 having a glut of supply. What they have is the same sales. PS4 got its supply out faster which causes the FOMO effect to decline.
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NPD: Nintendo Switch the Best Selling System for November selling 1.13 Million Units. 550,000 units sold during Black Friday
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Sorry, but you're just flat out wrong. PS5 had a bigger initial shipment than PS4.
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If PS5 sold faster, how did PS4 get it's supply out faster? You guys are coming with the most ridiculous arguments ever.
And yet every month since, it's fallen behind. We know the PS5 is now behind launch aligned WW and that's even with Japan having a later and bigger launch in the case of PS4.Sorry, but you're just flat out wrong. PS5 had a bigger initial shipment than PS4.
PlayStation 5 Has Become the Fastest Selling Console in U.S. History
It's no secret that the PlayStation 4 was a massive hit for Sony with the console selling over 110 [...]
If PS5 sold faster, how did PS4 get it's supply out faster? You guys are coming with the most ridiculous arguments ever.
Glut of supply? What? They've had almost the exact same level of supply for the first year.
As of October:
PS5 - 13.4m
PS4 - 13.5m
You're talking about a difference of a hundred thousand units.
It's laughable. I feel like I'm trying to explain 2+2=4 and people are going "no you can't prove that!"
Ah so you accept they have almost the same level of demand.
If the sales are the same and supply is the same, the only objective numbers we have is to say demand is roughly the same.
The argument is that the revenue tells a more accurate story as far as the success of a game is concerned, because as far as retail is concerned, selling 500k of a title with an ASP of $60 is a much better prospect than selling a million copies of another title at a $20 ASP. The latter has sold more, but has generated far less money as a result.
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Yes if you have zero critical thinking skills whatsoever then I can see how you would come to a conclusion like that
Yeah we're just being trolled at this point. If they wanna keep arguing that 2 and 2 somehow makes 5, fine. But I'm done. Logic, evidence and actual sales numbers seem to have no impact so it's just a pointless back and forth.
So you admit you have no numbers backing your assertion just gut feelings.
so far, all I've seen a jump to conclusions based on how they chose to stock up on supply for launch so they could beat previous metrics since the first 6 months are typically when demand is highest due to FOMO. PS4 held the title of the highest selling console in 6 months while switch held the highest selling console in 12 months. Yet, you wouldn't say PS4 had more demand than the Switch.
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There is no magical numbers, the numbers will be release every 3 months on the FY report but the demand is there if you believe or not, doesnt matter, you are wrong in every single level and once the fy report for this year and the next year will come out you will be wrong.
So, at this point, it is just a matter of time for you to realize or not, that you just made up a bunch of random stantements to be wrong in the end.
Based on GAP in November sales between PS4 2014 and PS5 2021, the PS4's going to pull more ahead (substantially so by 300-400k or more and likely the same with December. Based on XS being #2, the difference between PS4 and PS5 in the US would be about 600k). And if it can't show more sales, what would the FY report provide?
even if it turns out that despite the sales we know from the major markets are accounted for in shipments to smaller markets, you still end up with an unprovable claim of more demand as all you've proven is PS5 could achieve PS4 sales with a different country allocation split. It doesn't prove more demand.
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They expect to ship the same ammout of consoles that in the ps4 and they already secure the chips, so at this moment there is no real reasson to believe otherwise and on top of that, they expect to sell 22M+ on the fy 2022.
But that is not even the point, the point is the argument been made here that there is no more demand for the ps5 that the ps4 in the same time frame and what ever the reason ones belives(FOMO or whatever) the reality is their is more demand for the ps5 and that is indeed a fact. We are comparing a console that sells out in min compare to one where you could walk in a store and buy one, so at this point it is your choice to believe it or not.
You've still not given any numbers to back it up. Just anecdotes. Anecdotes are not measurable numbers. We know PS5 sold around 400-600k less than PS4 in its second November in the US (PS4 was around 1M, we know switch sold 1.13 M and that's greater than PS5 + XS combined and we know XS sold more than PS5 capping PS5 at 565k)
Please stop.
Provide factual evidence if you want to be taken seriously. So far you have provided nothing but wishful thinking, and people here have provided factual evidence that the PS5 is selling less than the PS4. That's it.
The official numbers are 13.5M PS4 and 13.4M PS5, you will get more official numbers in the end of Jan, that is been told many times.
But like i said, it is your choise to believe or not that the ps5 has more demand that the ps4, since you dont want to believe, im not going to lose more time here, everything that had to said has said.
The evidence was already provided, not going to lose more time here.
So, for games, it matters because the revenue is units sold multiplied by how much each unit sold for. Obviously, you get more money selling a game at $60 than $20. With the advent of digital (and digital sales' inclusion in these charts), it helps keep the charts from being overrun by whatever game is cheap on sale this month.
For hardware, it's probably more for consistency with software, but I would agree that the dollar sales are useless for consoles. (Does make the Switch leading in dollar sales year to date look even more impressive, considering that it has a lower price than the PS5)
I don't see how the OLED Switch negates the Pro. I'm sure the Pro will have the same OLED screen as well.
What this implies is that Nintendo has a new screen manufacturer contract and you will eventually see the older LCD model shipments get less and less
Because if there was another model coming soon after, why bother releasing the other one right now? The more likely scenario is that the next hardware release is a Switch 2 rather than a Switch Pro.
Common sense my guy.
Again, the last official shipment numbers we got from Sony as of October:
PS4 - 13.5m (no longer supply constrained at this point, demand has stabilized and anyone can buy a PS4 whenever)
PS5 - 13.4m (massively supply constrained, every unit sells out in seconds, extremely difficult for anyone to acquire a PS5)
This is where those aforementioned critical thinking skills come into play. If you're genuinely incapable of looking at the context behind these numbers and figuring out which of these two products have higher demand then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of the single stupidest arguments I've ever had on this forum.
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What an awful fucking argument lmao. The shipments being similar is 100% only because of the factual wafer shortages.
PS5 was also selling faster than PS4 as of July. PS5 hit 10M sold through in July, PS4 in August, despite similar shipments.
PS5 would sell more if units were available. Every major retailer in the US does not have a steady supply of PS5 readily available today. PS4 had around 1.7M unsold units at the end of 2014.
this wouldn't be a connundrum if you combined the Pro and 2 into the same device
The most common sense argument in here but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading some of these "analyses"
Both the XSX and PS5 would be doing much much better than they are if Microsoft and Sony can produce more machines. Bottom line, that's it. No super mega conspiracy.
Some say "no supply…slow start" others say "selling faster than any console ever".
Makes your head dizzy!
Yeah, there was a big restock the first week(?) of December. It was sold out everywhere before that.
So what are the actual numbers for PS5, Series S and X? Quite curious to see what the X to S ratio is.
We know PS5 + Xbox Series S + Xbox Series X < 1.13 M and Xbox Series S + Xbox Series X > PS5
Likely sales are around 600k Xbox Series and 400k PS5
Source?
Series S to X would be insane, then. Series S seemed to be always available, while Series X was barely available compared to PS5.
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Edit: caught up with the thread. Feel like some just come back here to troll.
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is sell through even as of November? I'm reading through the last few pages and it's a bit dizzying. But seems like it sold less this month than last year based on the lower Switch sales and both Series X/S and PS5 combined being less than the Switch total. so if we split the difference and give Xbox a narrow edge based on Matt's tweet? 500k PS5 November?
No but that's because the thing is completely sold out.
That's the thing. No store is selling the PS5 right now. Like as we type, not being sold. Production has limited what Sony can sell. It's like arguing if the Wii had 200K additional units every month for the first two years it wouldn't have sold them, only what it originally sold.
No, the Wii would've sold that additional 200K every month. If the PS5 had double the units available in November, it would've sold every unit.
To go through your points:
1. "Just because the ps5 sold faster the first 6 months than the ps4 does not mean it would have the second 6 months." - There's no guarantee but its a logical assumption to make. Far more logical than thinking the PS5 would suddenly start selling slower than the PS4
2. "I could easily argue that the reason the ps5 uptake was so strong that first 6 months compared to the ps4 was BECAUSE of the shortage anxieties and the scalper market" - That's not an easy argument at all. The scalper market does not cause high demand, it is a result of high demand. The existence of the scalper market is evidence that demand for PS5 is high
3. "first year would still be based on the anxiety of not being able to get one for a couple of years" - The situation is unlikely to be worse in 2023. If someone is fine waiting a couple of years to get a PS5, why would a shortage make them want to get them sooner?
4. "It's not that it was in much greater demand at launch to play the games available on it. The software sales so far don't reflect that" - How are you using software sales to judge hardware demand in this case?
I think it is highly highly unlikely that demand was PS5 in November was less than 600,000. It was probably noticeably more.
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Price?
What would Nintendo look to price a switch Pro at? $349-$399?
Wouldn't this cannibalize the Switch Oled as can't see them with plans to drop the price of that model for a long long time if at all.
And we've discussed the reasons why arguably that is. Reasons that weren't around in 2013/2014
Look, I know in the technical black/white terms of economics it's labeled "high demand" when coupled with low supply…but I still say context is important. Especially in discussions like this when we have very definite expections of meaning when we say "one console was in more demand than another"
Again, it would be disingenuous to suggest that in 1973 people suddenly became more interested in consuming gas in their cars than they were in 1972. And then point to people waiting hours in line for gas and how much gas was sold in 1973/1974 and say people are just more interested in gasoline now.
I can deny demand is higher. It could be, but it's still hard to say definitively.
What I can say definitively is that demand for a $500 ps5 or a $500 Series X is not being met yet. And there are reasons why that is.
You can EASILY buy a ps5 right this second if you really wanted to pay ~$800 for it.
I think people are overestimating the number of people who REALLY desperately needed/wanted a ps5/Series X in 2021 who haven't gotten one/won't get one in 2021. I don't think it's that high. I think people are seriously underestimating how strong the 3rd party selling market is right now and will be this holiday. Most people are just fine waiting till the ps5/Series X is $100-$200 cheaper. Like always.
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Why, because sales were faster in the beginning?
I argue if there was no scalper/bot market/shortage anxieties and $500 ps5's were easily found on shelves and by retailers by Jan/Feb…it wouldn't have sold any faster.
I'm not saying this is ABSOLUTELY the case. But I am saying why it's ok to be skeptical about actual demand right now just based on how fast the uptake these machine have seen their first ~8 months.
Yes, just because we have hard numbers there to compare. Software sales on the ps4 in Japan were far far better with the same install base than the ps5.
Can you link me to the ps5 software sales confirmation you are referring to?
What I don't understand is if you know so little about sales why you would be so argumentative. When you have this many people including one of the most knowledgeable on this subject on this forum telling you you're wrong, maybe a little introspection is in order?
Being consistently sold out at normal retailers so far in 2021 is more about there still being too many people willing to pay $700-$1000 for a ps5.
If the conditions we see now were exactly the same in 2013/2014, you would have seen pretty much the exact same thing with the way the ps4 sold.
Right now it's more about market condition differences than it is about the product.
I don't think anyone is saying any of these companies…Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony…wouldn't have sold through whatever they were able to ship in November.
What's weird is that the PS4 was so lucky to escape being scalped because that's only a recent, bot led development according to many in here. Strange then that the Wii, that released I think before before the PS4.....was scalped for literally two years straight in the same way the PS5 is being now.
Maybe the resellers fell asleep for the PS4 - the only other explanation would be less demand - which we are told isn't the case - or much higher supply - which we also know is not the case.
What a conundrum
Maybe the resellers fell asleep for the PS4 - the only other explanation would be less demand - which we are told isn't the case - or much higher supply - which we also know is not the case.
What a conundrum
This doesn't make any sense. If there are a bunch of people willing to spend 700-1000 for a PS5, surely they're willing to spend 500 if they were able to find one for MSRP. I don't see how the system is somehow in less demand because people are willing to spend more.
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Yeah, this has been a trip to read LOL. Sometimes you have to take 10 steps back and just get a common sense take on a situation.
Nobody said it can't be proven there's equal demand. It just can't be proven there's more demand. We don't have the prerequisite factors to prove. There's no numbers that suggest more demand. Switch had more demand than PS4 in its first year but that didn't become obvious til more than 12 months in when they had both had reached 12 months. As it is, PS5 sales for November and December in the US will be about 50% of PS4 comparing the same time period due to low supply not allowing us to actually see demand. It's making an unprovable assertion and quite potentially wrong assertion based on anecdotes.
My bad, I only meant to quote the other guy.
I'm going to just agree to disagree with you.
would PS4 have been selling for double MSRP if the supply in the US for Nov 2014 was < 500k instead of 1 million? I'd say the answer to that is yes.