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NPD February 2019: Anthem #1, Jump Force #2, Far Cry #4, Metro #8. Switch #1 Hardware

cakely

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I had low expectations for Crackdown 3, but ... not in the top 20 on launch month. Not in the Xbox top 10 on launch month.

I think that's the last we'll see of the franchise, and that's a shame. I know the series has a number of very passionate fans here on Resetera, and they deserved better.
 
Kage Maru

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cakely said:
I had low expectations for Crackdown 3, but ... not in the top 20 on launch month. Not in the Xbox top 10 on launch month.

I think that's the last we'll see of the franchise, and that's a shame. I know the series has a number of very passionate fans here on Resetera, and they deserved better.
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Due to the controversies surrounding the game, troubled development, and stigma surrounding the XBO, I'm hoping they understand the game doesn't represent what the series can be and give it another shot.
 
Emilijo

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In last 14 months, Xbox One ended in last place (behind PS4 and Switch) 13 times in US. This is Xbox's strongest market? This is a place where X360 won 32 NPD's in a row?
 

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Well thats not so bad for the XB1. I keep hearing that its doing awful, but thats... just last place, not awful.
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Worldwide?

It won't come close to match the 360,nevrrmind beating it.

This is na. Xboxs absolute "strongest" market. If its doing only ok over here, it's essentially getting demolished nearly everywhere else outside maybe UK and Mexico?
Sales wise, this has not been a good Gen for them.
 

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Mikey Jr. said:
Worldwide?

It won't come close to match the 360,nevrrmind beating it.

This is na. Xboxs absolute "strongest" market. If its doing only ok over here, it's essentially getting demolished nearly everywhere else outside maybe UK and Mexico?
Sales wise, this has not been a good Gen for them.
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Yup. Im praying to the video game gods that Xbox gets a leadership overhaul. Spencer & Co have done a mediocre job overall. Their saving grace is the massive capital from MS as a whole.

C'mon Satya, time to shake things up for next gen. It's different times now.
 
Macca

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Random question I guess. But does console manufacturers have access to the info when a console is being sold, I'm thinking do they know what games a person buy alongside the console?
 
Rocketz

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Metro Detroit
I know it just had a big sale but it's still crazy to see Siege in the Top 20 game sales for the year. A game that came out at the end of 2015.

My game of the gen keeps on chugging!
 
Nolbertos

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Arrived late to this, so what is the sales per console?? Did Switch sales equal Ps4 + Xbox One sales again??
 
Calamari41

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ThisIsBlitz21 said:
I would agree....
except Mario Maker is on the way and will totally cannibalize it's legs.
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This is possible, but it is also possible that people will have fun with Mario Maker and be interested in a "professional" experience because of it. My guess is that this isn't going to have the same dampening effect that the back to back release of NSMB2 and NSMBU had. I think that the two games will be complimentary and help each other's sales. I do expect Mario Maker 2 to outsell NSMBUDX, since it's a brand new game.
 
Sander VF

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You know I wonder if Benji's point about PS4 keeping it's price could be applicable to Switch as well.

Most of us are expecting some sort of a price cut for the Switch, a new cheaper model or both, but what if Nintendo figures it's gonna do gangbusters anyway and decides to keep the price?
 

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HW sales continue to be strong at current pricing levels. If any price cuts happen it will not be because data suggest they are needed.
 
Benji

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HW sales continue to be strong at current pricing levels. If any price cuts happen it will not be because data suggest they are needed.
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I agree for sure on PS4 and Switch. Zero need to cut at all

Xbox however I do think needs one. Maybe not a permanent basis but it struggles a bit at full price. MS seems aware of that though and does a lot of different bundles / promotions to offset that
 
ShinobiBk

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I was gonna ask what early impressions were of Super Mario Maker 2 but it still doesn't have a solid release date yet.

Prediction: Super Mario Maker 2 will become the best selling game of 2019 upon release.
MK11 might take that throne from KH III in April but Mario Maker will have such a huge presence on social media, twitch, YouTube, etc. it's gonna be huge
 
kadotsu

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Are the "price cuts not needed" comments because HW is in line with expectations (HW is supposed to slow down at this point) or because HW is exceeding expectations? Last holiday there was a lot of talk that a price cuts could only slow down the HW decline.
 

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kadotsu said:
Are the "price cuts not needed" comments because HW is in line with expectations (HW is supposed to slow down at this point) or because HW is exceeding expectations? Last holiday there was a lot of talk that a price cuts could only slow down the HW decline.
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Based on my math, incremental sales gains from base price cuts won't offset the cost of the cuts themselves this year. But lots can change. Better plan is to continue with hi/lo promotional pricing and value add bundles.
 

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Sander VF said:
You know I wonder if Benji's point about PS4 keeping it's price could be applicable to Switch as well.

Most of us are expecting some sort of a price cut for the Switch, a new cheaper model or both, but what if Nintendo figures it's gonna do gangbusters anyway and decides to keep the price?
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They had higher goals in mind for switch last fiscal year that they didn't reach. Would be weird to forgo another year of price drops when switch is already the longest any of the modern consoles have gone without a drop.

I do think Nintendo needs to make a mark before publishers decide to go all out on everything but switch. This would be the year to do it
 
cw_sasuke

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They had higher goals in mind for switch last fiscal year that they didn't reach. Would be weird to forgo another year of price drops when switch is already the longest any of the modern consoles have gone without a drop.

I do think Nintendo needs to make a mark before publishers decide to go all out on everything but switch. This would be the year to do it
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They barely missed their sales target because of the lack of software in the first 3 quarters of the CY - not because of the price.
This years looks completely different and they have the software to support their sales ambitions starting in June with Mario Maker 2.

I think Nintendo would be happy to keep the Switch at the current price point, even if it means bundling it with a game as long as the more portable friendly revision can be priced cheaper. I feel that they would want to replace the current Switch with a more powerful Switch next year, which would be sold again at around 300 bucks.

Talking about general price drops here - obv. for the sale season including Black Friday they will have a more aggressive price strategy, but as of now i dont see them dropping main Switch price, with it current sales performance.

PS. Publishers decided 1-2 years ago if they are gonna be on board or not - nothing that happens this year will have a big influence on future support. The Switch is selling on PS4 levels and on its way to 100m, unless you are EA you know that the system is here to stay and trying to figure out how to best support the console.
 

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cw_sasuke said:
They barely missed their sales target because of the lack of software in the first 3 quarters of the CY - not because of the price.
This years looks completely different and they have the software to support their sales ambitions starting in June with Mario Maker 2.

I think Nintendo would be happy to keep the Switch at the current price point, even if it means bundling it with a game as long as the more portable friendly revision can be priced cheaper. I feel that they would want to replace the current Switch with a more powerful Switch next year, which would be sold again at around 300 bucks.

Talking about general price drops here - obv. for the sale season including Black Friday they will have a more aggressive price strategy, but as of now i dont see them dropping main Switch price, with it current sales performance.

PS. Publishers decided 1-2 years ago if they are gonna be on board or not - nothing that happens this year will have a big influence on future support. The Switch is selling on PS4 levels and on its way to 100m, unless you are EA you know that the system is here to stay and trying to figure out how to best support the console.
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They have to at least issue bundles. Nothing until and since Mario Kart 8's Black Friday bundle. They've been slowly building up to it with the $35 eShop card offer.

But this year we're likely going to at least see Xbox Two/"next gen" and the other consoles are most likely getting price drops. Switch might not need one now, but they will when it stops being the freshest thing in the market or one of the cheapest.

A revision would likely help a lot as well
 
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Cartridge Games said:
They have to at least issue bundles. Nothing until and since Mario Kart 8's Black Friday bundle. They've been slowly building up to it with the $35 eShop card offer.

But this year we're likely going to at least see Xbox Two/"next gen" and the other consoles are most likely getting price drops. Switch might not need one now, but they will when it stops being the freshest thing in the market or one of the cheapest.

A revision would likely help a lot as well
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I don't disagree.

But you think Next-Gen systems that will launch for +400 bucks in 2020(exception being the xCoud Xbox) - will have any kind of mayor impact on the sales of the Switch hardware considering the software Nintendo is releasing ? Having a hard time believing that people will skip out on the next mainline Pokemon or Animal Crossing Switch bundles because of a PS5 or a cheaper Xbox One.

I might be wrong but other systems don't really offer what the Switch has to offer - price drops wont change that.

Nintendo will definitely introduce new bundles during the Summer to keep the momentum high while dropping Mario Maker 2 and Fire Emblem.

Switch right now has no issues keeping up with the competition even though Nintendo hadn't had a single big release this year, while PS4/One had a bunch of AAA releases in the first months of this year that all skipped Switch.

There isn't a lot worry about with Switch this year regardless of the competition.
 
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Kage Maru said:
Due to the controversies surrounding the game, troubled development, and stigma surrounding the XBO, I'm hoping they understand the game doesn't represent what the series can be and give it another shot.
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If you're talking about something the series can be, you're talking about something it's not/hasn't been. In which case, it would make way more sense to try that something new with a new IP that doesn't have all the baggage. It's clear the Crackdown name isn't moving any needles.
 

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cw_sasuke said:
I don't disagree.

But you think Next-Gen systems that will launch for +400 bucks in 2020(exception being the xCoud Xbox) - will have any kind of mayor impact on the sales of the Switch hardware considering the software Nintendo is releasing ? Having a hard time believing that people will skip out on the next mainline Pokemon or Animal Crossing Switch bundles because of a PS5 or a cheaper Xbox One.

I might be wrong but other systems don't really offer what the Switch has to offer - price drops wont change that.

Nintendo will definitely introduce new bundles during the Summer to keep the momentum high while dropping Mario Maker 2 and Fire Emblem.

Switch right now has no issues keeping up with the competition even though Nintendo hadn't had a single big release this year, while PS4/One had a bunch of AAA releases in the first months of this year that all skipped Switch.

There isn't a lot worry about with Switch this year regardless of the competition.
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I am admittedly surprised that switch is up year over year.

Do think a slightly more aggressive play my work out better in the long run but I guess they're content making more profit in the short term right now.

Guess they can react after seeing what Sony and Ms have planned
 
ShinobiBk

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Cartridge Games said:
They had higher goals in mind for switch last fiscal year that they didn't reach. Would be weird to forgo another year of price drops when switch is already the longest any of the modern consoles have gone without a drop.

I do think Nintendo needs to make a mark before publishers decide to go all out on everything but switch. This would be the year to do it
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They didn't miss the mark cause of price, they missed the mark cause of a lack of big releases the first 2 quarters of the fiscal year. Q1 in particular was horrendous for them, which is no surprise as Mario Tennis was their big anchor title. Compare that to Super Mario Maker 2 this year, which has potential to be a 15-20 million seller, it's no contest. If the software is there, the console will sell. Even now, it's being carried by Smash this entire quarter and up YoY by a good margin
 
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