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Are they still going to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia?
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[November 28] AP: Biden plans swift moves to protect and advance LGBTQ rights
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These all seem like positive steps, having LGBTQ representatives in government I think will be huge in helping make sure issues are considered and understood with these people in power.
Its literally directly related to the topic at hand, how is it not ?
Ah yeah, but of course. We know its going to be selective as fuck though. We dont need to be used as scapegoats for interventionist BS. You can't protect minorities while actively ruining their countries.
Because I read it in the context of war and not Saudi Arabia's heinous treatment of the LBGTQ community. My mistake, and I'm editing.
I will be shocked (but extremely presently surprised) if stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia.
And I'll change my avatar to Dick Cheney if put sanctions on them over LGBTQ rights.
Or for any reason really.
One of the most pleasant surprises wrt Biden is discovering how strong he is on LGBTQ rights, especially trans rights. At the beginning of the year he said: "Let's be clear: Transgender equality is the civil rights issue of our time. There is no room for compromise when it comes to basic human rights."
Yeah it's why just having him as president and a gov ran by him will put a lot of weary minds at ease. That alone is worth it imo.
You are correct. LGBTQ rights are stupid and pointless and we should immediately derail any discussion on the issue to other matters.
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Biden has been constantly supportive of this. Big contrast to everything horrible Trump and Pence did or want to do for lgtb rights.
So they actually have ready to go actions to back up his recent statement. It's nice to finally see my personal issues addressed, it doesn't happen much and it's usually negative so cheers to that.
What does this post even mean? Did you not even read the article or OP?
Besides that, it's very refreshing to see Biden's stance on LGBT rights compared to the horrendous record of Trump. He seems very genuine about this stuff. Don't know how much can get done with this Conservative lopsided Supreme Court tho
it's insane you don't even realize what the poster you quoted is saying.
How do you guys square the circle of the contradiction of selling millions of dollars worth of weapons to a corrupt, genocidal monarchy that has terrible anti-LGBT laws while saying "Ensure that LGBTQ rights are a priority for U.S. foreign policy and be prepared to use pressure tactics, including sanctions, against foreign governments violating those rights."
He's surprisingly good from a domestic standpoint on LGBT+ issues but once again completely hypocritical and disingenous on foreign policy.
When you're so eager to scold critics that you don't even stop to think about what's being said.
It's only a derail if you decide to cut out parts of the OP that don't fit your narrative.
What
It's.... literally just asking them to do what they said they're going to do.
Critiquing a politician if they fall short on part of their platform is "all or nothing"?
This is a pretty worrying line. Both because sanctions are a monstrous practice in general, but also because this is definitely getting selectively enforced to suit geopolitical desires and then getting sold falsely as being about LGBTQ rights when it's actually being done to further imperial interests.
Aside from that the rest seems pretty good.
Reads like any sanctions would be targeted at government officials and not blanket sanctions against say, a country's economy.
I mean, a healthy dose of cynicism regarding the american government's willingness to take a stand on any human rights issue if it means even a minor inconvenience to them or anyone who can afford a lobbyist is... justified, to say the least
it's not like saudi arabia is a lovely and understanding utopia except on lgbt rights, they (and many other countries) have done horrendous shit for decades that america has sanctioned in the name of "they buy guns and they have oil". it's a very reasonable thing to ask if the biden administration actually means it or if they will just, in their words, be "prepared" to do things to back it up. based on the track record of america, it's all too likely they'll be "prepared" for four years. maybe even eight, depending on how an election goes.
lol
US's foreign policy continues to be trash. I want Biden to go to Riyadh and tell MBS straight to him face to stop killing gay people.
But he won't because neoliberals need their wars.
People being skeptical of how the US will probably continue propping up homophobic and transphobic Gulf states in spite of this foreign policy mandate isn't the ridiculous thing you're making it out to be.
One can't protect them or claim to be on our side if their plan for these countries is "none of my business" either
Yep. The heck bringing up other negatives. You will NEVER get the perfect candidate you want. But hey screw Biden because of some other stuff. He cares about the community
Sanctions will only make things worse for the country and for minorities there. Plus I don't really think scapegoating LGBT+ people for geopolitical play works at all. All you will get is situations like Poland when the government and the people at large double down with their bigotry
Targeted sanctions work very well. Putin has been raging for years about the sanctions aimed not at Russia overall but at the money he and his subservient oligarchs have. Trump has halted quite of lot of this, but it has still been a huge pushpoint for Russian oligarchs.
And again, if the best one wants to offer is "thoughts and prayers," I do not see them as on my side. For a lot of people (including supposed allies), if it happens abroad, it's none of their business.
Damn @ this post jack, lol. Bad vibes in here. At a certain point pointing out what some feel is a hollow victory really is about pissing on a parade. Considering the administration was pretty anti LGBTQ, it feels weird handwaving it away to focus on an entirely different topic.
The general consensus most posters seem to be having here is that Biden's LGBTQ stances are very good and look to be coming from a sincere place. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be critical of this admin compromising its stances literally outlined in the OP in favor of geopolitics. I don't get what everyone in here is so pissed off about.
huh?
Seriously wtf is this thread?
We get an article outlining a range of extremely positive actions and proposals for LGBT people and posters decide to immediately focus on one dot point in order to re-litigate issues discussed in numerous other threads.
It is shady as fuck, and frankly extremely disrespectful.
We get an article outlining a range of extremely positive actions and proposals for LGBT people and posters decide to immediately focus on one dot point in order to re-litigate issues discussed in numerous other threads.
It is shady as fuck, and frankly extremely disrespectful.
I shouldn't have worded my post in present tense, sorry. I genuinely hope he sticks to his word and holds countries like Saudi Arabia to account. I doubt the immense geopolitical entanglements can be overcome so quickly, but I'm hoping for the best.
So many solid, helpful House bills sitting on McConnell's desk, and that dude easily won reelection.
None of this stuff even registered to most voters. Biden really is going to have to test the limits of executive power in a way even the Trump administration was somewhat shy about, because otherwise Biden isn't going to get a lick done.
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