Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) resources and discussion thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)

[DarthWoo]

God I cannot wait. I've already gone through one close contact quarantine with my 7 year old. Shit is going to get really old if it keeps up all school year (not even including the dread of actually getting sick).

Absolute bummer that my 4 year old is just on the cusp.. really hope that they will give a pre-existing condition exception since he has asthma..

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This is a rather heartbreaking story I just saw. A four year old preschooler, who according to her unvaccinated parents had no pre--existing conditions (because obviously anyone with a "pre-existing condition" isn't a noteworthy COVID death to certain groups) died within hours of exhibiting symptoms. Hopefully she is just an outlier as opposed to a portent of things to come, but still tragic either way.

4-year-old Texas preschooler dies of covid within hours of first symptoms

GALVESTON, Texas - It's what many parents have been fearing in this pandemic. Their children, too young for the current covid-19 vaccine, coming down with the virus. In Texas, what appears to be covid-related, has taken the life of a young girl. Kali Cook's mom Karra Harwood said Kali died in...

news4sanantonio.com

 

[Hollywood Duo]

NJ Daily Numbers:

+1744 new PCR cases (972729 total)
+4 deaths (24309 total)

Total fully vaccinated 5695968
Rate of transmission is 1.0
1104 people in hospitals
234 in ICU
119 on ventilators

 

[Johnny956]

This is a rather heartbreaking story I just saw. A four year old preschooler, who according to her unvaccinated parents had no pre--existing conditions (because obviously anyone with a "pre-existing condition" isn't a noteworthy COVID death to certain groups) died within hours of exhibiting symptoms. Hopefully she is just an outlier as opposed to a portent of things to come, but still tragic either way.

4-year-old Texas preschooler dies of covid within hours of first symptoms

GALVESTON, Texas - It's what many parents have been fearing in this pandemic. Their children, too young for the current covid-19 vaccine, coming down with the virus. In Texas, what appears to be covid-related, has taken the life of a young girl. Kali Cook's mom Karra Harwood said Kali died in...

news4sanantonio.com

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That's one of those where you have to wait and see autopsy results as you don't see many dying in any age that quickly from showing symptoms. Do wonder if she had some other undiagnosed condition that covid made worse. Coroner is calling it a covid related death but I don't think I've ever heard of someone getting a fever and dying that same night at any age from Covid.

 

[Joni]

The secret is that 60% of American adults have a chronic disease. A lot of people simply don't know they do. It wouldn't be too weird to think there is a lot of that with kids as well.

 

[Kyougar]

That's one of those where you have to wait and see autopsy results as you don't see many dying in any age that quickly from showing symptoms. Do wonder if she had some other undiagnosed condition that covid made worse

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Why does that matter? Why is the first response always "There must have been something wrong with them"

They died because of covid, They would be alive if not for a pandemic still raging around the globe.
Could they have had an issue that could have impaired or killed them in the future? sure. but they also could have lived another 90 years.
Covid killed the kid, not a missed precondition that probably would not have impacted their life ever.

 

[52club]

Hard to understate how much COVID has already fucked up a broken medical system in the US. Makes sense all kinds of people have undiagnosed, untreated, or some combination of the two.

 

[GerruFin]

Damn that's rough. Hope you get well soon. I lost smell and taste for only four to five days and hated every second of it. But is it policy in Russia that you have to keep getting tested until you're negative? Here it's 24 hours after the last symptoms, because you can test positive on a PCR test for three months while you're only infectious for one to two weeks.

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Yep, it's the second test after 10 days, then every 3 days. To get back to work my sister got tested 5 times. You will get results by email in the next morning. Good thing that clinic are 3 min walking distance from our apartment. Thanks

 

[Joni]

Quite unexpected: the Netherlands are introducing a Covid passport for restaurants, theaters, ...
Less unexpected: Flemish hospitals and other healthcare are asking a Covid passport for people visiting people in the hospital. That would be an improvement as visitation is currently very limited.

 

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Quite unexpected: the Netherlands are introducing a Covid passport for restaurants, theaters, ...

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This is great news!

 

[Arilian]

It shows tendency to get vaccinated, but also a number of countries (France, Germany, Italy I think) only require one dose of vaccine if you had an infection, so double vaccinations will always stay behind single vaccinations there.

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OurWorldInData doesn't seem to take that into account, but French data are built to take care of those cases: it's either people with at least one dose, or people fully vaccinated, which meant 1, 2 or 3 doses before a booster dose was authorised to people over 65 and people who are immune-compromised, and 1, 2, 3 or 4 doses after – the booster campaign begins today.

OWID shows 73% with at least one dose, 62.5% fully vaccinated, but Vaccintracker, which is using French official data, shows 73% with at least one dose and 69% fully vaccinated.

VaccinTracker Covid19 : nombre de français vaccinés - CovidTracker

Combien de personnes ont été vaccinées contre la Covid19 en France ? VaccinTracker permet de connaître le nombre de français immunisées contre le virus.

covidtracker.fr

Personnes totalement vaccinées
Nombre cumulé de personnes ayant reçu toutes les doses de vaccin (1, 2 ou 3 en fonction des vaccins et des personnes).

Fully vaccinated persons
Cumulative number of people who have received all doses of vaccine (1, 2 or 3 depending on the vaccine and the person).

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[MikeHattsu]

Norway finally got more than half of everybody 18+ fully vaccinated as of today:

Also getting a huge shipment of vaccine doses in the coming weeks so it'll speed up a lot:

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www.fhi.no

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Now, 1 month after hitting 50% of everybody 18+ fully vaccinated, it's now hit 80% of everybody 18+ fully vaccinated. Finally also 90% of the same gotten the first dose.

 

[Arilian]

France has an history of distrust of vaccines and medication because of the Gardasil (a vaccine against HPV what was suspected to cause multiple sclerosis)

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I mostly associated the "link" between vaccines and multiple sclerosis with the vaccine against hepatitis B (as far as I remember, the "link" between those two is because we were injecting people right around the age multiples sclerosis appears and we started doing it right when new way to detect it was made widely available).

Health-related scandals and the feeling that people who should have avoided them are never held responsible don't help to build trust: Agnès Buzyn is indicted, and its fanfare of outrage from politicians because, apparently, a minister should only be accountable through an election... and it's coming from the same politicians who want people surviving with social welfare to be accountable of every euro they spend. It's disgusting.

 

[DrM]

From Wednesday, rule of VTR (vaccinated, tested, recovered) will be mandatory for all employed people either in private or public sector in Slovenia. This rule will be mandatory everywhere (work, stores, public transport, etc) , even for visiting a doctor. Antivax people are going berserk all across social media.

 

[Dan]

UK Data:

 

[nihilence]

Not surprising to hear states are fighting against the mandates.

But it should be the state rights! The federal government has no right to step in!

My take: if you requested or accepted federal aid, you get to abide by the vaccination mandates.

 

[Arilian]

From Wednesday, rule of VTR (vaccinated, tested, recovered) will be mandatory for all employed people either in private or public sector in Slovenia. This rule will be mandatory everywhere (work, stores, public transport, etc) , even for visiting a doctor. Antivax people are going berserk all across social media.

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Just to be sure, this rule means that to access those places, someone would need to have either a proof of vaccination, a proof of a negative test or a proof of Covid recovery ?

 

[Joni]

Antivax people are going berserk all across social media.

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Is it schadenfreude if you're laughing at the misery of bad people?

 

[elty]

This is a rather heartbreaking story I just saw. A four year old preschooler, who according to her unvaccinated parents had no pre--existing conditions (because obviously anyone with a "pre-existing condition" isn't a noteworthy COVID death to certain groups) died within hours of exhibiting symptoms. Hopefully she is just an outlier as opposed to a portent of things to come, but still tragic either way.

4-year-old Texas preschooler dies of covid within hours of first symptoms

GALVESTON, Texas - It's what many parents have been fearing in this pandemic. Their children, too young for the current covid-19 vaccine, coming down with the virus. In Texas, what appears to be covid-related, has taken the life of a young girl. Kali Cook's mom Karra Harwood said Kali died in...

news4sanantonio.com

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Just read and the current estimate for children is 0.002%. It sounds low but it is still 1 in 50,000 if you get it. Hope vaccine for children are approved soon.

 

[Dr. Mario]

UK Data:

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Sounds great, until you realize that the UK spaced its second dose out so far, that this is at best 1.5 month of the at risk cases with full vaccination versus 4.5 months where they weren't, next to the rest of the population that certainly wasn't.

In other words, these publications ought to really start publishing the last three months and not the six months prior.

 

[DrM]

Just to be sure, this rule means that to access those places, someone would need to have either a proof of vaccination, a proof of a negative test or a proof of Covid recovery ?

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Basically :
- if you work, you need RVT, unless you are self employed and you work from home (no contact with other people). Proof of vaccination, proof of recovery or negative test.

- if you want to go to the store, fuel pump, bank, hairdresser, train or bus etc. you also need RVT (see above). Only exceptions are kids and their guardians.

Main reason for this is low vaccination rate (52% with single and 48% with both doses). This will be fun to watch how will things unfold... at my workplace maybe 45% of people are vaccinated. Looks like there will be some extra shifts this month :D

 

[Hollywood Duo]

NJ Daily Numbers:

+1498 new PCR cases (974083 total)
+6 deaths (24313 total)

Total fully vaccinated 5704688
Rate of transmission is 1.01
1114 people in hospitals
248 in ICU
131 on ventilators

 

[ItIsOkBro]

question on how to understand CDC data

so 235/7676 vaccinated people test positive. but the rest of them, are they like, still hospitalized? and if so, what for?

 

[Distantmantra]

The secret is that 60% of American adults have a chronic disease. A lot of people simply don't know they do. It wouldn't be too weird to think there is a lot of that with kids as well.

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A lot of Americans don't go to the doctor or even have a doctor because:

A) They don't have health insurance
B) They don't want to use their health insurance
C) They're afraid what the doctor will tell them
D) They think they're healthy and invincible
E) All of the above.

 

[GreenMamba]

question on how to understand CDC data

so 235/7676 vaccinated people test positive. but the rest of them, are they like, still hospitalized? and if so, what for?

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If I'm reading it right, they are hospitalized for literally anything. The groups they tested--6960 unvaccinated, 7676 fully vaccinated--were just in the hospital, not necessarily for covid.

So basically, of their samples, 18.9% of the 6960 hospitalized people who were unvaccinated tested positive for covid, while 3.1% of the 7676 hospitalized people who were fully vaccinated tested positive for covid. In neither case does it mention they were hospitalized *because* of covid, just that they tested positive.

 

[Joni]

A lot of Americans don't go to the doctor or even have a doctor because:

A) They don't have health insurance
B) They don't want to use their health insurance
C) They're afraid what the doctor will tell them
D) They think they're healthy and invincible
E) All of the above.

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Even in other countries you will see the same results. For instance high cholesterol is something a lot of people just don't get tested for. especially if they are skinny.

 

[Hollywood Duo]

Latest data on breakthrough cases from NJ

https://twitter.com/GovMurphy/status/1437463166435405829?s=20

 

[Plinko]

Tennessee is getting crushed by Covid right now with no signs of letting up:

 

[Fatmanp]

Sounds great, until you realize that the UK spaced its second dose out so far, that this is at best 1.5 month of the at risk cases with full vaccination versus 4.5 months where they weren't, next to the rest of the population that certainly wasn't.

In other words, these publications ought to really start publishing the last three months and not the six months prior.

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Agreed. The real test will be September onwards where most who want to get double jabbed can and have been vaxxed.

 

[Distantmantra]

Seattle Schools started releasing Covid case numbers by individual school. Our part of the city has the lowest cases (10), and our kid's school hasn't had a single case yet. Awesome!

Yeah, there is a contingent of parents in our "The Future of Seattle Public Schools" FB group that are all "my kid's school isn't listed! Does that mean no cases or are they secretly hiding cases they don't want to tell us about?!?"

I seriously think these parents want things to be worse than they are, I get the impression that some people won't be satisfied until kids are dying and they can say "I TOLD YOU SO." I'm still concerned but shit people, let's be happy that things aren't as bad as they could be.

 

[TAJ]

New Jersey's deaths per million have been practically frozen and currently sit at 3,049.
Mississippi is at 3,016 and charging hard.
You can do it, Mississippi!

 

[Kyougar]

Germany, 3rd shot, it feels like a shitshow.
All those Moderna vaccinated people don't know where they can get the 3rd shot. If you live in a state that vaccinates people with the 3rd shot until September 30th, you are in luck, if not, you will have a hard time finding a GP that vaccinates with Moderna. There were no Moderna deliveries in the last 4 weeks, only 100.000 shots were delivered 5 weeks before.
As a result, many people call us because they don't know where to get a 3rd Moderna shot and we can only tell them they have to ask a GP or look for local vaccination campaigns (which often don't tell you which vaccine they have at that day)

And even if one had Biontech, Astra, and Johnson (all those will be vaccinated with Biontech) most GP's either tell their patients that they don't do 3rd shots (it's the fucking same vaccine as the first and 2nd shot!) or they don't have any information yet.

 

[Johnny956]

Why does that matter? Why is the first response always "There must have been something wrong with them"

They died because of covid, They would be alive if not for a pandemic still raging around the globe.
Could they have had an issue that could have impaired or killed them in the future? sure. but they also could have lived another 90 years.
Covid killed the kid, not a missed precondition that probably would not have impacted their life ever.

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Because getting diagnosed with Covid and dying the next day doesn't mean it was Covid by default. That's like saying if someone died a week after their covid vaccination must mean it was the vaccination. Unfortunately we never get follow ups on these cases so I would be curious what the actual cause of death was in this situation

 

[Hollywood Duo]

NJ Daily Numbers:

+1758 new PCR cases (975737 total)
+22 deaths (24335 total)

Total fully vaccinated 5727584
Rate of transmission is 1.01
1137 people in hospitals
238 in ICU
127 on ventilators

 

[Hollywood Duo]

NJ Daily Numbers:

+1815 new PCR cases (977517 total)
+21 deaths (24356 total)

Total fully vaccinated 5737728
Rate of transmission is 1.01
1155 people in hospitals
275 in ICU
136 on ventilators

 

[MasterChumly]

New Jersey's deaths per million have been practically frozen and currently sit at 3,049.
Mississippi is at 3,016 and charging hard.
You can do it, Mississippi!

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There is going to be a huge shakeup in deaths per capita state rankings once the 4th wave settles and deaths are accounted for.

Northeastern states got hit when PPE literally didn't exist, we didn't know how to treat Covid and we didn't have any alternative solutions.
Lots of republicans bragged in the spring comparing some republicans states with like New York and New Jersey but it doesn't tell the full picture when all sorts of preventative measures and solution could have been used and these states will still end up surpassing the northeast.

 

[Dr. Mario]

Germany, 3rd shot, it feels like a shitshow.
All those Moderna vaccinated people don't know where they can get the 3rd shot. If you live in a state that vaccinates people with the 3rd shot until September 30th, you are in luck, if not, you will have a hard time finding a GP that vaccinates with Moderna. There were no Moderna deliveries in the last 4 weeks, only 100.000 shots were delivered 5 weeks before.
As a result, many people call us because they don't know where to get a 3rd Moderna shot and we can only tell them they have to ask a GP or look for local vaccination campaigns (which often don't tell you which vaccine they have at that day)

And even if one had Biontech, Astra, and Johnson (all those will be vaccinated with Biontech) most GP's either tell their patients that they don't do 3rd shots (it's the fucking same vaccine as the first and 2nd shot!) or they don't have any information yet.

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But you don't need a third shot if you had Moderna?

 

[Kyougar]

But you don't need a third shot if you had Moderna?

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You also don't "need" a third shot with Biontech, Astra, or Johnson. The STIKO hasn't recommended a third shot yet.
That doesn't mean that the Government and states of Germany go ahead with the third shot since September 1st.
Anyone with Astra or Johnson can get the third shot (or 2nd with Johnson) after 6 months. They will get a Biontech or Moderna shot
Vulnerable people and seniors above 80 with Biontech can get a third Biontech shot after 6 months.
Vulnerable people and seniors above 80 with Moderna can get a third Moderna shot after 6 months.

 

[Daimon]

 

[Distantmantra]

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That is so awesome. I'm heading to Portugal next weekend and while I live in a city that takes this seriously, it's nice to know that I'm going somewhere that does as well.

 

[Dr. Mario]

You also don't "need" a third shot with Biontech, Astra, or Johnson. The STIKO hasn't recommended a third shot yet.
That doesn't mean that the Government and states of Germany go ahead with the third shot since September 1st.
Anyone with Astra or Johnson can get the third shot (or 2nd with Johnson) after 6 months. They will get a Biontech or Moderna shot
Vulnerable people and seniors above 80 with Biontech can get a third Biontech shot after 6 months.
Vulnerable people and seniors above 80 with Moderna can get a third Moderna shot after 6 months.

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Ah yeah, but I meant as far as I know the drop in efficacy after six months only really manifests itself in Pfizer, not in Moderna.

 

[Daimon]

That is so awesome. I'm heading to Portugal next weekend and while I live in a city that takes this seriously, it's nice to know that I'm going somewhere that does as well.

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It has been great to see the speed of the vaccination process and how receptive most people were to get a shot.

Don't know if it's a work or vacation trip but I hope you enjoy your stay.

 

[WinniethePimp]

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When they say 80% of the population, they really mean 80% of eligible population, right?

 

[MikeHattsu]

When they say 80% of the population, they really mean 80% of eligible population, right?

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No. 80% of total.

 

[Dr. Mario]

When they say 80% of the population, they really mean 80% of eligible population, right?

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Probably yes. ECDC has them at 87% for 18+ and 75% for the total population, so my guess would be 80% is for 12+.

Then again it could also be that the 80% is calculated by including people that have had one dose and an infection. I know in the Netherlands they just boosted the fully vaccinated count from 75 to 82 percent of adults that way.

 

[Joni]

Age 0-14 represents only 13% of the population in Portugal, so let's say about 10% of the population is not eligible at the moment. So 10% of the population is eligible, not vaxxed. That would be realistic. There are countries / regions in the EU with similar rates.

 

[CJohn]

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We already have 85% of the population with at least one dose of the vaccine. Only about 4% are dumb anti vaxxers who believe COVID is fake. The rest is kids under 12 whi can't be vaccinated yet.

 

[Daimon]

Probably yes. ECDC has them at 87% for 18+ and 75% for the total population, so my guess would be 80% is for 12+.

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The report says this:

Total:
8.836.915 with at least one dose which represents 85% of the population
8.273.795 fully vaccinated which represents 80% of the population

By group:
ages between 12 and 17: 84% with one dose and 52% fully vaccinated
ages between 18 and 24: 88% with one dose and 74% fully vaccinated
ages between 25 and 48: 93% with one dose and 88% fully vaccinated
ages between 50 and 64: 99% with one dose and 97% fully vaccinated
ages between 65 and 79: 100%
age 80 and above: 100%

 

[KingSnake]

I've been in Porto end of August and I was amazed by how much the people there were following the rules, including wearing masks outside. Good job, Portugal.

 

[Distantmantra]

It has been great to see the speed of the vaccination process and how receptive most people were to get a shot.

Don't know if it's a work or vacation trip but I hope you enjoy your stay.

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Vacation, coming from Seattle. We're fully vaccinated and have no problem wearing masks.

 

[mbpm]

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