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WinniethePimp

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,399
EU
I know that noone here needs to be convinced that vaccines work, but it's nice to see it in real time, numbers in Israel are falling every day and positivity rate dropped under 2% for the first time yesterday.

It's not herd immunity territory yet, but I think that we can already achieve a huge drop if half of the population is immunized somewhat.


Israel - partially immune (including natural immunity): around 64% of the population

Israel - fully immune (including natural immunity): around 56% of the population


Daily Cases (adjusted by positivity rate):

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Say what you will about Israel and their controversial vaccination strategy, but at the very least, the world won't have to fear any new, potentially dangerous mutations coming out of that country anytime soon. Though at this point, that is more a positive side effect than an intended one i would assume.
 

Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,998
NJ Daily Numbers:

+3830 new PCR cases (754817 total)
+31 deaths (21561 total)

Total vaccinations 3224470
Rate of transmission is 1.06
1966 people in hospitals
423 in ICU
235 on ventilators

Looks like cases are going back up again. Bad news considering a lot of stuff is opening tomorrow.
 

Bing147

Member
Jun 13, 2018
3,696
Time for another update on US numbers I figured:

3/11: ????? 3/04: 68637 2/25: 78191
3/10: 60658 3/03: 67216 2/24: 75803
3/09: 55946 3/02: 57603 2/23: 73800
3/08: 45368 3/01: 55198 2/22: 59151
3/07: 44878 2/28: 53632 2/21: 58980
3/06: 58934 2/27: 65654 2/20: 71757
3/05: 69232 2/26: 81270 2/19: 84582

Too early to tell for sure where we'll come out today, but we're currently riding a 13 day streak of cases being down week over week and unless there's a HUGE explosion in what's left to report today, I feel good about us pushing that to 14 today.

While cases continue to drop at a fairly steady rate, the death rate has actually plummeted this week so far and that's generally a more reliable metric. Makes you wonder if the vaccine really is starting to have a big impact there considering something like 60% of those 65 and older are now vaccinated.

3/11: ???? 3/04: 2047 2/25: 2459
3/10: 1612 3/03: 2369 2/24: 2526
3/09: 1712 3/02: 2088 2/23: 2435
3/08: 0829 3/01: 1483 2/22: 1377
3/07: 0748 2/28: 1288 2/21: 1239
3/06: 1558 2/27: 1554 2/20: 1924
3/05: 1836 2/26: 2271 2/19: 2645

Not quite as nice of a week over week downward trend every day, as there are a few days over the last couple weeks we were up slightly week over week, but the overall trend is sloping down quickly. Today looks to continue that as we should come in well under the 2047 from a week ago. I expect it to be pretty in line with yesterday's numbers.

Positivity and testing aren't quite as rosy a picture this week, but they aren't terrible. 19 states have had testing down at least 5% this week, while only 11 have had it up at least 5%. That's not ideal but it could just be that less people are getting sick. As we have less people get seriously sick we are going to see less get tested. Positivity rates would seem to support that theory as 16 states have their positivity rate down at least 1% this week, while only 5 states have positivity rate up at least 1% during that time. That 5 that are up is up from only 4 that were up last week though, so while most areas are seemingly trending in the right direction, there are a few areas that may not be. Still, as long as significantly more areas than not are heading in the right direction the overall numbers will likely continue to improve. Its also helpful to know that 4 of the 5 states where positivity was up are somewhat smaller states where the impact on overall recovery should be fairly muted (Utah, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Kentucky who are 24th, 25th, 27th, and 43rd in total cases so none having a massive impact) with the only exception being New Jersey.

Positive Cases:

3/18: ????? 3/11: 62740 3/04: 68766 2/25: 78862
3/17: 62794 3/10: 61415 3/03: 67548 2/24: 76362
3/16: 53251 3/09: 55880 3/02: 57902 2/23: 74123
3/15: 46391 3/08: 45483 3/01: 54760 2/22: 59087
3/14: 43091 3/07: 45262 2/28: 54125 2/21: 59057
3/13: 52614 3/06: 59669 2/27: 65667 2/20: 72347
3/12: 68288 3/05: 69439 2/26: 81266 2/19: 84838

Deaths:

3/18: ???? 3/11: 1605 3/04: 2047 2/25: 2459
3/17: 1289 3/10: 1668 3/03: 2370 2/24: 2527
3/16: 1248 3/09: 1727 3/02: 2089 2/23: 2436
3/15: 0825 3/08: 0831 3/01: 1483 2/22: 1377
3/14: 0661 3/07: 0749 2/28: 1288 2/21: 1241
3/13: 1068 3/06: 1558 2/27: 1554 2/20: 1924
3/12: 1516 3/05: 1838 2/26: 2271 2/19: 2647

I've gotten in the habit of doing a US update each week so I guess I'll continue. This was not a great week for cases. 2 of the last 3 days we've been up week over week. We still are down week over week mind you in total because of some very good days earlier in the week and because the days that were up were only up a little, but its definitely not a good sign. In the last 4 days, even the 2 days we were down week over week we were barely down. Its not enough yet to say we're climbing overall, but we've likely reached a point we're we've either leveled off or if we're still dropping it is only barely. Places easing restrictions in this moment seems like an awful idea. Today's numbers aren't fully in yet either, but they aren't looking great at the moment.

In slightly better news, deaths have continued to drop strongly. Mind you deaths trail cases by several weeks so it isn't quite as good as you would want, but the drop in death rate continues to be faster than the drop in cases even when you account for that. This is likely the impact of the vaccine. Huge amounts of the vulnerable population are now vaccinated and more are getting vaccinated every day. I don't think its absurd to think deaths can continue to decline even if cases start to go up some as long as cases don't spike in a huge way. They'll obviously decline more however if we can get cases headed in the right direction again.

Its also possible this could just be a blip, some of the evidence around the edges suggests that it might be, though its a bit mixed. Testing is up at least 5% in only 10 states this week. It is down at least 5% in 23 states. That's actually a huge shift from even a few days ago with a number of states seeing significant dips over just the last couple of days. And while less testing doesn't always mean less COVID, at this point there does seem to be some correlation. People know what to look for at this point and tests are readily available. The main reason we see a big change in testing is because more or less people are getting sick or there's some sort of event that people want to be tested before. Spring break happened over this period so it could be the event, which could just have for a minute have driven testing up which drove more positives. That would make sense that in the last few days, when most of the spring break people should be back home, we're again seeing a solid drop in that way. A number of states however are seeing positivity rate rise so while spring break testing may have driven numbers up some, its likely not the only reason things don't look so rosy.
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,435
Apologies if I am recycling a question I'm sure that's been asked, but was there a study on how well the Pfizer shot performs against the SA, UK, Brazil variants?

I get my first pfizer tomorrow
 

Joni

Member
Oct 27, 2017
19,508
Apologies if I am recycling a question I'm sure that's been asked, but was there a study on how well the Pfizer shot performs against the SA, UK, Brazil variants?

I get my first pfizer tomorrow
No performance loss against British (based on Israeli real life performance), effective against South Africa (protects against moderate/severe, slightly less efficient in regards to mild based on Moderna real-life and Pfizer labtests) and Brazil should be effective (based on blood tests Brazilian variant isn't a worry for the vaccines, it has similar effect as the UK variant)

For reference: don't worry about x-fold reduction in antibodies, Pfizer and Moderna give very strong performance, so even after a 9-fold reduction it is still effective.
www.reuters.com

Existing COVID vaccines may protect against Brazilian variant - Oxford study

Existing vaccines may protect against the Brazilian variant of the coronavirus, according to a University of Oxford study which also highlighted how a variant first found in South Africa poses the biggest headache for vaccine makers.
 

Novoitus

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,139
After 2+ weeks of mindlessly refreshing and refreshing I was finally able to get an appointment for my 1st and 2nd shots at Walgreens. am excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Fox318

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,599
NJ Daily Numbers:

+3830 new PCR cases (754817 total)
+31 deaths (21561 total)

Total vaccinations 3224470
Rate of transmission is 1.06
1966 people in hospitals
423 in ICU
235 on ventilators

Looks like cases are going back up again. Bad news considering a lot of stuff is opening tomorrow.
I think there is a reason why they waited until after St Patricks day.

If you are in NJ you should do everything in your power to try and get your shot.

I'm so thankful my 2nd shot is next week.
 

WinniethePimp

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,399
EU
Surprising and depressing news. There are now more deaths in Europe than a year ago.

www.telegraph.co.uk

More dying of Covid-19 now in Europe than in first wave as UK variant takes hold

The Covid-19 situations in the Balkans, Baltic states and Central Europe are among the worst in the world, the WHO said

Not that surprising really when you look a little deeper as to why this is happening. Makes total sense actually. The sad part is that political considerations, the media, a vocal anti-science, entitled minority each all have more say in how this pandemic is being handled than actual health authorities and epidemiologists and the result is what are all witnessing now in real time.
 

eonden

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,087
Surprising and depressing news. There are now more deaths in Europe than a year ago.

www.telegraph.co.uk

More dying of Covid-19 now in Europe than in first wave as UK variant takes hold

The Covid-19 situations in the Balkans, Baltic states and Central Europe are among the worst in the world, the WHO said
Not surprising. Wave 1 in Europe was very localized in some countries leaving eastern and centeal europe mostly untouched.
Its a shitty situation regardless
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,435
No performance loss against British (based on Israeli real life performance), effective against South Africa (protects against moderate/severe, slightly less efficient in regards to mild based on Moderna real-life and Pfizer labtests) and Brazil should be effective (based on blood tests Brazilian variant isn't a worry for the vaccines, it has similar effect as the UK variant)

For reference: don't worry about x-fold reduction in antibodies, Pfizer and Moderna give very strong performance, so even after a 9-fold reduction it is still effective.
www.reuters.com

Existing COVID vaccines may protect against Brazilian variant - Oxford study

Existing vaccines may protect against the Brazilian variant of the coronavirus, according to a University of Oxford study which also highlighted how a variant first found in South Africa poses the biggest headache for vaccine makers.

Thanks very kindly for the info. Home now from my first shot this morning.
 

poklane

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,934
the Netherlands
Numbers increasingly heavily in the Netherlands again, all because the government relaxed some measures and promised more if the numbers stayed down so they could win some extra votes for the elections 2 days ago.
 

nihilence

nøthing but silence
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
15,944
From 'quake area to big OH.
Rand Paul is a piece of shit. Arguing with Fauci about infections and calling masks theater. He's ignoring that vaccinations may not protect against variants.

He doesn't want to worry about a few infections.
Remember when covid 19 was only a few infections?

He doesn't care.
 

HammerOfThor

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,860
Do we have more definitive data on the effectiveness of Moderna and Pfizer after the first dose? My wife and I got our(we each had a different maker) and are getting our second dose in mid-April. I guess I just want a wee bit more peace of mind lol.
 

gcubed

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,785
Do we have more definitive data on the effectiveness of Moderna and Pfizer after the first dose? My wife and I got our(we each had a different maker) and are getting our second dose in mid-April. I guess I just want a wee bit more peace of mind lol.

I think Moderna is higher after a single dose, its a "heavier" dose than Pfizer, but I don't believe anyone has substantial results as everything that I've seen quoted (80% after first does on Moderna) was based on people in the trial getting the 2nd shot late, and there were only a handful of those so its not a great extrapolation
 

Garchia3.0

Member
Dec 20, 2018
1,859
In Italy today (18th March) has been declared as "National day of remembrance for victims of COVID‑19". The reason why this day has been chosen is because on March 18th, 2021 military trucks were employed for the first time to take coffins out of Bergamo (Lombardy), one of the first cities to be hit so strong by the pandemic. Those photos circulated all over the world:
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I still remember how we used to freak out with each new Italy update. Number of deaths kept escalating every single day and by the time it went up to 900 we couldn't believe it.

Then we all got desensitized to the numbers... And nowadays, it blows my mind to read every day death tolls in the thousands from several countries around the world. Brasil going up to 3k, the US with those 4K days. This situation is just pure madness.
 

Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,998
NJ Daily Numbers:

+3738 new PCR cases (758470 total)
+27 deaths (21588 total)

Total vaccinations 3303734
Rate of transmission is 1.06
1926 people in hospitals
405 in ICU
221 on ventilators
 

alr1ght

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,053
Almost half of all health care workers in U.S. haven't had COVID-19 vaccine, survey shows
www.cbsnews.com

Almost half of all health care workers in U.S. haven't had COVID-19 vaccine, survey shows

48% of doctors, nurses, home health aides and other frontline health care workers are still unprotected against the virus.

Among those health care workers who remain unvaccinated, 12% said they have not yet decided if they will accept a shot in the arm. Another 18% said they do not plan on receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, citing concerns over side effects and the vaccines' newness, according to the survey results.

Black health care workers in particular have been reluctant to become vaccinated, with 53% of Black frontline health care workers saying they are not confident that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe. This holds steady across the general population — 47% of Black adults who are not necessarily health care workers feel similarly, according to the survey.

Employers across the U.S. have the legal right to mandate the vaccine as a condition of employment, however most are opting to offer bonuses and other incentives to employees who get jabbed, rather than enforce compliance.
 

kc44135

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,722
Ohio
So, my Dad got the Pfizer vaccine, and my Mom is getting Moderna next week. Pfizer protects well against all known variants right? Does Moderna as well?
 

eonden

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,087
So, my Dad got the Pfizer vaccine, and my Mom is getting Moderna next week. Pfizer protects well against all known variants right? Does Moderna as well?
Both Pfizer and Moderna are basically the same (as they protect you against the same key protein). They seem to be not as effective with SA variant, but they still protect against severe / hospitalization for that one.
 

Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,998
NJ Daily Numbers:

+3940 new PCR cases (762407 total)
+31 deaths (21619 total)

Total vaccinations 3384856
Rate of transmission is 1.07
1961 people in hospitals
406 in ICU
226 on ventilators
 

Curler

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,605
Almost half of all health care workers in U.S. haven't had COVID-19 vaccine, survey shows
www.cbsnews.com

Almost half of all health care workers in U.S. haven't had COVID-19 vaccine, survey shows

48% of doctors, nurses, home health aides and other frontline health care workers are still unprotected against the virus.

I guess it would be more accurate to say "chose not to", because "haven't had" could also indicate that they were never offered.

So if someone is the type of person that cannot get a vaccine due to allergies etc, could they like, request medical support from vaccinated-only people, or how would that work? I don't think it's a good idea that in some professions, like medical, that this vaccine is optional to the job. Pretty sure all other existing vaccines are required when going into the field... I know extra medical staff is needed when hospitals get full of COVID patients, but after that calms down, how are they not being made to get vaccinated to keep their job?
 

kc44135

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Oct 25, 2017
4,722
Ohio
Both Pfizer and Moderna are basically the same (as they protect you against the same key protein). They seem to be not as effective with SA variant, but they still protect against severe / hospitalization for that one.
Good to know, thx! I know both of these vaccines are very protective, but my parents (especially my Dad, who is now two weeks out from the second shot and fully vaccinated) are just kinda trying to figure out how safe they are at this point, and what is safe to do, etc. The CDC recommendations (don't travel, still wear a mask etc.) make it a bit unclear. They're planning to follow all recommendations to be clear, just unsure of how safe things will be for them now.
 

eonden

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,087
Good to know, thx! I know both of these vaccines are very protective, but my parents (especially my Dad, who is now two weeks out from the second shot and fully vaccinated) are just kinda trying to figure out how safe they are at this point, and what is safe to do, etc. The CDC recommendations (don't travel, still wear a mask etc.) make it a bit unclear. They're planning to follow all recommendations to be clear, just unsure of how safe things will be for them now.
After the first shot, you still have low level of protection until 2-3 weeks. After the second shot, you should have maximum protection. However, the CDC / health organizations still recommend following the same restrictions as non vaccianted people as there is still a chance to get the virus (plus the more people that go without following them, even if they are "protected" would lead to more unprotected people think they shouldnt wear anything).
 

Joni

Member
Oct 27, 2017
19,508
Good to know, thx! I know both of these vaccines are very protective, but my parents (especially my Dad, who is now two weeks out from the second shot and fully vaccinated) are just kinda trying to figure out how safe they are at this point, and what is safe to do, etc. The CDC recommendations (don't travel, still wear a mask etc.) make it a bit unclear. They're planning to follow all recommendations to be clear, just unsure of how safe things will be for them now.
In two/three weeks more he should be fully protected.
 

kc44135

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,722
Ohio
After the first shot, you still have low level of protection until 2-3 weeks. After the second shot, you should have maximum protection. However, the CDC / health organizations still recommend following the same restrictions as non vaccianted people as there is still a chance to get the virus (plus the more people that go without following them, even if they are "protected" would lead to more unprotected people think they shouldnt wear anything).
In two/three weeks more he should be fully protected.
Ok, thx guys.
 

DixieDean82

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
11,837
Amercia is going to be 12 months ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to vaccinations. Maybe, 6 months ahead of the UK.
 

eonden

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,087
Well part of the issue is the AstraZeneca rollout has been a disaster. They had the biggest bet with them
To put this into perspective, EU was supposed to have 160m total vaccines in Q1. It will likely only reach 70-80M.
Now, looking into AZ, it was supposed to give 90-100M, it will likely give 30M. So most of the vaccination slow down is on AZ major flop.