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Joni

Member
Oct 27, 2017
19,508
Odds are that's the strain you have
Indeed. It is also an explanation of why it exploded once it reached Europe compared to the more limited outbreak in the States and Asia at that point. It mutated in Europe, and then more slowly made its way to other parts of the world, never reaching China again as they locked down.
 

Rockets

Member
Sep 12, 2018
3,011
Virginia has been averaging 500+ cases a day for the past 2 weeks and I'm seeing more and more friends eating at restaurants, going to gyms, and not social distancing or wearing masks. Shit is fucked man.
 

kc44135

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,722
Ohio
There's cautious than there's paranoid. A quick brief encounter where you were masked up and washed your hands after isn't anything to be concerned about. The only chance of you getting anything there is if a decent amount of droplets hit your eyes from him talking in your face. It's the exposure indoors that's the big problem. It's people throwing house parties, or being unmasked in stores, etc.

edit - if you're that paranoid, just buy and wear one of these:

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Would this actually provide any protection? I thought only masks worked?
 

darkwing

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,970
Would this actually provide any protection? I thought only masks worked?

there is a reason why medical personnel or those in the front lines wear it together with a face mask, it physically blocks you from the droplets unless someone sneezes at you from below, but even then you have your face mask
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Nov 13, 2017
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www.cnn.com

Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts | CNN

Hydroxychloroquine helped Covid-19 patients, a study in Detroit found.

Saw this article just now, and I didn't see it posted elsewhere on here. I'm not sure what to make of it just yet, but it's weird how different places keep flip-flopping on this drug. It does say that this was an observational study, not a clinical trial, so make of it what you will.
This is an observational study, not a controlled clinical trial. Not really worth paying attention to.
 
Oct 28, 2017
751
This is an observational study, not a controlled clinical trial. Not really worth paying attention to.
Yeah, I noticed that after posting, I'll admit. Of course they kind of hid that at the bottom of the article, instead of making a point of it near the beginning, but I'll try to do better in the future when it comes to reading and posting news articles on sensitive subjects like this. Sorry about that.
 

52club

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,499
I'm not representing this as fact, but I personally agree that simplifying the data is a problem...and leads to dark places.

 

PCfromNYC

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,332


Hate that the positive test results flip-flops between less than 1% to near 1.5%, but hospitalizations and deaths are still staying low, so that's a plus.
 

Deleted member 4367

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
12,226
Consistency with test positivity will always likely be unstable as you get much better because you might have difficulty getting enough people to get tested. Who are you testing once fewer and fewer have it? And that will likely depend on the day.
 

greepoman

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,961
Yeah, I noticed that after posting, I'll admit. Of course they kind of hid that at the bottom of the article, instead of making a point of it near the beginning, but I'll try to do better in the future when it comes to reading and posting news articles on sensitive subjects like this. Sorry about that.

At least the article actually presented the caveats but it's still troubling that they use that title then present strong evidence against their own title.

No randomized groups means they'll pick people who were more likely to survive anyway. Then on top of that the HCL group had much higher steroid dosage which already means you don't know if it was the steroid or the HCL. And the kicker being this steroid has shown promise in another actual proper study.

So if anything they may have still increased the mortality rate of the HCL group because they may have done better with just steroids.
 
Nov 13, 2017
9,537


Hate that the positive test results flip-flops between less than 1% to near 1.5%, but hospitalizations and deaths are still staying low, so that's a plus.

I think the positivity rate is always going to hover around there now that we're open. I wish he would start cancelling flights to NY from some of those states. We've made it so far, we can't afford a huge setback.
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
Moderator
Oct 31, 2017
8,131
Chile
Sorry for not posting updates on the Chile situation during the past week, I needed a bit of a break.

As a prelude, I'll tell you that it's been a weird one (as usual). First, let's go to the July 3rd numbers

+ 3.548 new positives, 288.089 total confirmed cases, 320.667 total adding probable cases
+ 131 new deaths, with three different death tolls.
- 6.051 confirmed by government data and defunction papers
- 6.631 confirmed by the office that's correcting the data
- 9.477 adding the probable cases (reported to the WHO, cases with every symptom but with no PCR)
* 1.757 connected to a ventilator, 420 in critical condition
+ 15.585 reported tests, 1.146.593 in total.
* Daily positivity is at 22,8% today, total is 25,1%

Government has been saying that we have a slight improvemnt during the past week. Another reason I took a break was to see how this evolved. You see, daily tests have dropped a lot, with days having only 10.000 (as low as May 16th numbers), so claiming that numbers were improving was a bit of a stretch. I waited to see what experts said. So, experts say that despite the drop in tests, there is actually an avergae improvent in percentages, which today can be seen in going from 25.2% total positivity to 25.1% . Yeah.

But those that understand more claim that we went from being "a really really bad situation" to "a really bad situation".

You can see what they mean in the charts here. Drop in tests meant a drop in positive cases, however averages are better than previous average, so it's something.

Positives:



Tests:



However the general consensus is that we should wait at least a couple of weeks to see if there is really an improvement. Also, there is criticism since in April government claimed that things were improving, however it was due to mistakes in how it was handled, and it also allowed people to become less vigilant, which translated into an increase in positive cases.

As for the reduction of tests, Government oficials claim that there is a reduction in demand. Which is possible, lots of people don't go testing in fear that - if not being an actual covid case - you may get infected by going to take the test in the hospital. So we are not going after testing people, we are waiting for them to get out of their homes and get the test. In any case, there was a slight increase in tests today which gave more positives, but not so big positive rate. Test capacity is supposed to be around 23.000 per day.

In other related news, there were heavy criticism of the President last sunday. He was recorded on video going to a wine store (a high society one, of course) escorted by several of his security staff. Goverment claimed he had the dedicated paper for it but... essential ? He was also target of criticism by Health Ministry. Dirt sheets claim that what the Ministry said was not very well recieved by many in the government, while others found it neccesary to be said (he said something like "authorities, the king or whatever, should be responsible with their acts").

At the same time, some questions have been raised about his mental health, due to how erradic he his and his now long known weird spasms.

Also, protests are slowly sparking in several places due to a long list of social injusticies that are going hand in hand with the pandemic. For example, recent numbers shows that while every place has seen a rise in mortality, wealthy places see that increase in the 40-45%, while poor districts have it in 100-110%. Most of these protests are taking place in the capital, which also have 220.000+ cases of Covid alone (a 7 million people region)


So, that's it...

TL;DR: it seems that there is an average very very slight improvement in numbers, but too early to tell. Everything else is a mess as usual.
 
Nov 13, 2017
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bonch00ski

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,813
I'm sure it varies by region.....but for anyone that did the drive thru cvs testing....what was your turn around for results
 

cb1115

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,347
Virginia has been averaging 500+ cases a day for the past 2 weeks and I'm seeing more and more friends eating at restaurants, going to gyms, and not social distancing or wearing masks. Shit is fucked man.
the states surrounding VA are spiking right now so it's only a matter of time for us i'm afraid.

it really feels like March all over again. the last 4 months were for nothing.

and one month from now, we're going to be preparing for kids to come back into school buildings!
 

Dany1899

Member
Dec 23, 2017
4,219
Italy's update:
+223 new positive cases (total 241184)
+15 new deaths (total 34833)
+384 new recoveries (total 191467)
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,086
I'm sure it varies by region.....but for anyone that did the drive thru cvs testing....what was your turn around for results
A friend's husband did drive-thru testing at CVS and it's sounding like it's going to be 5-6 days for the results, but we're in NC where it's spiking so they're lacking reagents at local labs.

the states surrounding VA are spiking right now so it's only a matter of time for us i'm afraid.

it really feels like March all over again. the last 4 months were for nothing.

and one month from now, we're going to be preparing for kids to come back into school buildings!
NC just topped 2,000 cases for the first time, so yeah... sorry. :( Hopefully people in VA are being more compliant about masks, because down here, it's been pretty bad. I have a feeling so many people are going to the beach this weekend too, so it's probably going to get a lot worse.
 

Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,980
NJ Daily Numbers:

+386 new cases (172742 total)
+58 deaths (13308 total)

1028 in hospitals
216 in ICU
167 on ventilators
 

Br3wnor

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,982
I think the positivity rate is always going to hover around there now that we're open. I wish he would start cancelling flights to NY from some of those states. We've made it so far, we can't afford a huge setback.

The good thing is that we have such robust testing capacity that we'll catch any outbreaks pretty quickly, this has already happened with some upstate outbreaks and that high school graduation in Westchester, the state reacts quickly and seems to be able to contact trace pretty effectively.

My hope is people aren't going to want to travel to NY since you can't really do many touristy things and if you want to go to the beach or something, there are better states for that. Even if you're into outdoor stuff you're better off going to Vermont or Maine and even if we do get an influx of campers or whatever that's a relatively safe activity in terms of spreading the virus.

I really am cautiously optimistic that we can keep it together even as rest of country spikes, I really wish Cuomo would take back indoor dining, at least on Long Island, still freaks me out when I pick up food. What we do with schools will really be the next big thing, and we really, really need money from the feds to keep our state government funded since so much tax revenue is fucked right now and we can't give into fiscal pressure to open up like the sunbelt and south did.
 

cb1115

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,347
A friend's husband did drive-thru testing at CVS and it's sounding like it's going to be 5-6 days for the results, but we're in NC where it's spiking so they're lacking reagents at local labs.


NC just topped 2,000 cases for the first time, so yeah... sorry. :( Hopefully people in VA are being more compliant about masks, because down here, it's been pretty bad. I have a feeling so many people are going to the beach this weekend too, so it's probably going to get a lot worse.
they aren't, at least where i'm at. shit, I went to a pharmacy about a week ago and the employees weren't wearing them lol
 

jarekx

Member
Oct 25, 2017
625
Fuck working retail and it's packed today. Of course none of these asshole are wearing masks. Just gonna be one long ass wave here in the states.
 

NunezL

Member
Jun 17, 2020
2,722
Sorry for not posting updates on the Chile situation during the past week, I needed a bit of a break.

As a prelude, I'll tell you that it's been a weird one (as usual). First, let's go to the July 3rd numbers

+ 3.548 new positives, 288.089 total confirmed cases, 320.667 total adding probable cases
+ 131 new deaths, with three different death tolls.
- 6.051 confirmed by government data and defunction papers
- 6.631 confirmed by the office that's correcting the data
- 9.477 adding the probable cases (reported to the WHO, cases with every symptom but with no PCR)
* 1.757 connected to a ventilator, 420 in critical condition
+ 15.585 reported tests, 1.146.593 in total.
* Daily positivity is at 22,8% today, total is 25,1%

Government has been saying that we have a slight improvemnt during the past week. Another reason I took a break was to see how this evolved. You see, daily tests have dropped a lot, with days having only 10.000 (as low as May 16th numbers), so claiming that numbers were improving was a bit of a stretch. I waited to see what experts said. So, experts say that despite the drop in tests, there is actually an avergae improvent in percentages, which today can be seen in going from 25.2% total positivity to 25.1% . Yeah.

But those that understand more claim that we went from being "a really really bad situation" to "a really bad situation".

You can see what they mean in the charts here. Drop in tests meant a drop in positive cases, however averages are better than previous average, so it's something.

Positives:



Tests:



However the general consensus is that we should wait at least a couple of weeks to see if there is really an improvement. Also, there is criticism since in April government claimed that things were improving, however it was due to mistakes in how it was handled, and it also allowed people to become less vigilant, which translated into an increase in positive cases.

As for the reduction of tests, Government oficials claim that there is a reduction in demand. Which is possible, lots of people don't go testing in fear that - if not being an actual covid case - you may get infected by going to take the test in the hospital. So we are not going after testing people, we are waiting for them to get out of their homes and get the test. In any case, there was a slight increase in tests today which gave more positives, but not so big positive rate. Test capacity is supposed to be around 23.000 per day.

In other related news, there were heavy criticism of the President last sunday. He was recorded on video going to a wine store (a high society one, of course) escorted by several of his security staff. Goverment claimed he had the dedicated paper for it but... essential ? He was also target of criticism by Health Ministry. Dirt sheets claim that what the Ministry said was not very well recieved by many in the government, while others found it neccesary to be said (he said something like "authorities, the king or whatever, should be responsible with their acts").

At the same time, some questions have been raised about his mental health, due to how erradic he his and his now long known weird spasms.

Also, protests are slowly sparking in several places due to a long list of social injusticies that are going hand in hand with the pandemic. For example, recent numbers shows that while every place has seen a rise in mortality, wealthy places see that increase in the 40-45%, while poor districts have it in 100-110%. Most of these protests are taking place in the capital, which also have 220.000+ cases of Covid alone (a 7 million people region)


So, that's it...

TL;DR: it seems that there is an average very very slight improvement in numbers, but too early to tell. Everything else is a mess as usual.


Yeah viewed from the outside the situation seems to be improving a little in Chile. considering the high rate of positives it's really probable that more than 10% of your population has gotten it. Probably even more in Santiago.

Here in Argentina cases are still slowly rising but thankfully deaths are still pretty low (around 30 per day). Hoping things will start to plateau soon, the lockdown has been going on a really long time and it's starting to kill me.
 

TaySan

SayTan
Member
Dec 10, 2018
31,457
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Dad told me he had a really high fever yesterday (102.2). Today his fever is lower, but he has bad body aches all over. Im starting to get concerned for him since he was in poor health before all of this. :(
 

kc44135

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,722
Ohio
Good news :)

www.sciencetimes.com

Oxford Expert Claims Their COVID-19 Vaccine Gives Off Long Term Immunity With Antibodies 3X Higher Than Recovered Patients

Professor Sarah Gilbert, who leads Oxford University's trial for its coronavirus vaccine candidate, says their jab could provide long-term immunity, which could last for several years. Furthermore, she says it could even give off antibodies three times more than a person who recovered from COVID-19.
That is good news! But the million dollar question is... When is this vaccine gonna be available to th public?
 

Juturna

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,834


Hate that the positive test results flip-flops between less than 1% to near 1.5%, but hospitalizations and deaths are still staying low, so that's a plus.


So are these test results just from hospitals or are they from tests done days ago whose results just arrived yesterday? Because everyone I know in NY including myself are being told 5-7 days for test results, 2-3 for antibody tests.
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,833
Texas
This is an observational study, not a controlled clinical trial. Not really worth paying attention to.
Not going to stop the WH and other MAGA types doing a victory tour. I read the CNN article too and there are tons of caveats that go along with this. The HCQ patients also received steroids while other other group did not. I don't know how a researcher can then put out a study citing that it was the HCQ that did the work given some of that.

When actual clinical trials had to be stopped with it. Patients also weren't randomly selected.
 

bonch00ski

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,813
A friend's husband did drive-thru testing at CVS and it's sounding like it's going to be 5-6 days for the results, but we're in NC where it's spiking so they're lacking reagents at local labs.


I'm in PA where we have kept things calm but a spike hit and now I've had a bad cough for a few days and decided to get tested.


I fee like this is gonna hit everyone at some point in time, other than never leaving the house for anything you put yourself at a risk and it's scary
 

XMonkey

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,827
That is good news! But the million dollar question is... When is this vaccine gonna be available to th public?
Oxford's vaccine is one that's going to be starting mass production before the trials are finished so it shouldn't be as long of a wait for this particular one, assuming all goes well of course. Healthcare/frontline workers may be able to get it by the end of this year.

www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-manufacturing-begins-on-millions-of-doses-of-the-oxford-vaccine-candidate/amp/
 

Juturna

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,834
To those that have had it, did any of you have pain when breathing in, and just like...achey lungs for lack of a better explanation. Feels sort of like when I had pleurisy but with more pain breathing in.

Mom has the same symptoms, other than that and fatigue nothing else really going on, no cough to speak of. Blood ox is hovering between 96 and 98.
 

darkwing

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,970
Dad told me he had a really high fever yesterday (102.2). Today his fever is lower, but he has bad body aches all over. Im starting to get concerned for him since he was in poor health before all of this. :(

is it possible for him to have some kind of drive-through tests? also an oximeter would be a good monitoring tool
 

HammerOfThor

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,860
I'm not representing this as fact, but I personally agree that simplifying the data is a problem...and leads to dark places.


I've been a proponent of this for a while now. Each state is so radically different that you can't lump places like IL, NY, and other blue states for that matter with the red states that have done a half-assed job.
 

sweetmini

Member
Jun 12, 2019
3,921
Bulletin for the
French situation for the 03/07:

PCR tests positivity rate: 1.4%
Live clusters of infection: 88
R0: 0.9

166960 confirmed cases + 582 in 24H
hospital:
7990 hospitalized -158 in 24H (+125)
560 in intensive care -13 in 24H (+12)
19396 dead +18 in 24H

Care homes:
38107 cases
10497 dead

Total 29893 deaths +18
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Hospital graphs
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Icu entries
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Feb 1, 2018
5,083
Day 5 of sore throat (no other symptoms), its almost gone now. Been chugging waters, eating raw onions and raw garlic (painful but it really clears you out), and taking vitamin d and zinc supplmenents as per the guidelines from covid+ support groups. Check my blood oxygen, basic ECG (on my watch lol), and temp multiple times per day and everythings normal no fever or low spO2. Also completely isolated myself and only go out for critical errands (mail, etc)

Getting tested on monday. If its negative im gonna keep it that way by driving out to the desert and living away from society for a few months. Bless this mess
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
Moderator
Oct 31, 2017
8,131
Chile
Yeah viewed from the outside the situation seems to be improving a little in Chile. considering the high rate of positives it's really probable that more than 10% of your population has gotten it. Probably even more in Santiago.

Here in Argentina cases are still slowly rising but thankfully deaths are still pretty low (around 30 per day). Hoping things will start to plateau soon, the lockdown has been going on a really long time and it's starting to kill me.

Argentina death toll is the number I always look at. I know folks, like you, are getting crazy with the lockdown, but I look at that and it's such a neccesary evil. In Santiago around 60% of the workforce is still going to work almost every day.
 

NunezL

Member
Jun 17, 2020
2,722
Argentina death toll is the number I always look at. I know folks, like you, are getting crazy with the lockdown, but I look at that and it's such a neccesary evil. In Santiago around 60% of the workforce is still going to work almost every day.

Oh the lockdown was necessary for sure, but yeah I can't wait for it to be over.
It's a little frustrating for someone living outside Buenos Aires. I'm in Cordoba (lot of you folks studying here) and we've had something like 10 cases max a day for the last month in a city with 2 millions habitants. I prefer things to open up a little too late rather than too soon but i'm really turning crazy in my apartment.
 

Yourfawthaaa

Member
Nov 2, 2017
6,637
Bronx, NY
Thought i'd ask here...

My aunt's children are coming here and they had the virus but recovered. Up to this point, i havent had it. Do i need to isolate myself in another bedroom?