Lots of cases cropping up in my city now, we didn't really get anything back before the initial shutdown but now we've had multiple tracking to establishments the last two days.
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What's crazy about the US situation is that it's a lot more younger people getting infected now then in the NY outbreak so in theory that wouldn't strain the hospital system as much since younger people tend to get over it on average, without hospitalization. BUT we have so many fucking cases now that Arizona and Texas are already starting to see a strain on their hospitals and could legitimately get overrun. Just wild
US will get there by sheer force of overwhelming death, but we'll get there.
US will get there by sheer force of overwhelming death, but we'll get there.
Even excess deaths probably doesn't really capture things correctly since deaths that would occ
The problem is that this thing is too new to know for sure. There have been a few cases that indicate it might be possible, but there's been no comprehensive studies that prove it either way.
I think it's wise to still be careful even if you've had it.
The problem is that this thing is too new to know for sure. There have been a few cases that indicate it might be possible, but there's been no comprehensive studies that prove it either way.
I think it's wise to still be careful even if you've had it.
I don't think you can look at the raw numbers of infected protestors - the major impact will be from people travelling to the protests and then taking it back to communities and populations that have had minimal exposure.
Imagine how bad it would be if they honestly reported all COVID-19 deaths instead of labeling them "pneumonia".
everytime there was a story about a reinfection it was more so the fact that you can still test positive long after you got it. Viral shedding seems to be variable and for some reason can stay in certain people's systems for a LONG time. They aren't contagious during that, but can be positive. You would most likely see more of this in sporting events where they would repeatedly treat people over a long period of time.
it's only been 6-8 months of the virus so no one knows how long immunity lasts because it really hasn't been that long in general.
Seattle is generally pretty good with mask usage, but it was still way higher in protests. Pretty close to 100% from what I've seen, and in every march I've been to there were people handing out free masks and hand sanitizers.
They did a whole lot of testing here recently and I believe they have found no evidence that those protests are a serious infection vector.
Not sure about that dumb occupy shit though.
Ugh one of my co-workers just had another person he knew suffering from "pneumonia". The first one died suddenly and sounds like this person isn't doing any better. I really DO wonder if it's an undocumented COVID case (the first person came back as negative, supposedly). With hearing how some hospitals (especially in specific states) have been fudging their numbers and calling everything "pneumonias", I do have to wonder... Not that it makes the situation any better when someone is in critical condition, but it kind of makes it WORSE if it does end up being a case of a somewhat fake diagnoses just to make the numbers low :/
NJ Daily Numbers:
+406 new cases (170196 total)
+26 deaths (13018 total) There are another 1854 deaths as "probable" covid deaths they went through so the real number is 14872.
Uptick in positivity and rate of transmission, not unsurprising as the state continues to open up, the important thing to note is that the positive cases and the hospitalizations are still flat/trending down so the numbers now will come from spike events like a party or a bar breaking the rules.
+406 new cases (170196 total)
+26 deaths (13018 total) There are another 1854 deaths as "probable" covid deaths they went through so the real number is 14872.
Uptick in positivity and rate of transmission, not unsurprising as the state continues to open up, the important thing to note is that the positive cases and the hospitalizations are still flat/trending down so the numbers now will come from spike events like a party or a bar breaking the rules.
Dane county (Madison Wi) is now up to 47 cases per day on average
Which might not sound like a lot but like two weeks ago it was 17, and two weeks before that it was around 10 or so.
Which might not sound like a lot but like two weeks ago it was 17, and two weeks before that it was around 10 or so.
It's the damn AC. COVID-19 only needs one person to infect and entire family since it thrives at room temperature with no sunlight.
NYC under 1,000 hospitalizations for the first time in forever. On track for Phase 3 reopening in early July.
My adopted mom's friend came over last week, and today she tested positive for COVID. Now my grandma, my brother, and I are showing symptoms.
*fnaf yayyyyy sound*
*fnaf yayyyyy sound*
I'd hope they did a second test. Seen a few in a bad way that were only caught with the second test.
Do we have any new excess deaths data for US? Seems so far it's inline roughly but maybe this month and next will expose any attempts to make it seem low.
I'm not sure how many post-mortem tests even get done since this sounded like it happened very quickly (also as seen with many people that died in a few days of COVID symptoms). What's sad is if/when sketchy stuff like that gets done, it REALLY can diminish what COVID is capable of and have people think "oh, they weren't well/older and just happened to get sick" way of thought.
Showing symptoms when they came over? Had to be a minor cough, if not were you all talking close to each other with no mask?
There were no symptoms as far as I could tell, and I wasn't. I left the backyard around the time that she came over.
Probable Covid deaths for NJ. They aren't over the past 24 hours but over the past 3 months.
Yeah that makes sense. Hopefully not all the state have been lowballing the number of death.
Anyway, seems like it's gonna be another 30k+ day of new cases
With every disease there will always be a chance of reinfection, but you can generally assume that for normal individuals it will be very low. It will also depend on the virus itself, if antigenic drift is possible without removing function then a slightly different strain may appear that can infect those previously exposed.
Are they going to actually stagger which kids are in school which day? If the entire student body is coming on the same 2 days each week that plan might as well be 5 days each week.
i believe the idea for those two days is to keep the school at 50% capacity so yeah
I don't know how you have kids in school 4 days (alternating 2 days), while teachers in school 5 days when their own kids are home 3 days. Plus there are so many medically-at-risk staff that work at schools, they may not be able to risk showing up to work. And substitute teacher mechanisms are basically a bust if they can only serve as forced class babysitters. When there's a case of potential exposure in the school then everyone has to quarantine at home for two weeks anyway, while the school is cleaned (again).
We're about to get this kind of thing disclosed in CT in about 10 minutes or so, will update on what they say.
Governor Lamont's about to go on and talk about how school for CT will work next year. I'm prepared to hear a bunch of stuff that it will be impossible for me to implement in my classroom...
We don't know for how long immunity lasts in general. With so many cases, there are always going to be people whose immunity doesn't last for long, but if it turns out to be temporary immunity for pretty much everybody (I've heard 3 months to 1 year as the range other Coronaviruses are in), then there's no real "herd immunity" strategy to be followed at all.
Bulletin for the
French situation for the 25/06:
xxxxxx confirmed cases (unpublished, was 161348 yesterday)
hospital:
9141 hospitalized -158 in 24 H (124 entries)
651 in intensive care -7 in 24 H (15 entries)
19264 dead + 21 in 24 H
Care homes:
37995 cases
10488 dead
Total 29752 deaths +21 in 24H
Hospital graphs
ICU entries:
French situation for the 25/06:
xxxxxx confirmed cases (unpublished, was 161348 yesterday)
hospital:
9141 hospitalized -158 in 24 H (124 entries)
651 in intensive care -7 in 24 H (15 entries)
19264 dead + 21 in 24 H
Care homes:
37995 cases
10488 dead
Total 29752 deaths +21 in 24H
Hospital graphs
ICU entries:
Well that was unexpected - 5 days, all students, but be prepared for remote learning anyway. Lower grades K-8 are kept to one class, so if a kid or teacher is exposed at home or something, it's isolated to the 25 students in a class. Nothing on sports or the arts. So there really isn't a plan yet.
Here in Stamford the preliminary plan they're trial ballooning is alternating two groups of students two days a week. Still a tough thing.
It seems to me like we're basically going to ultimately end up with district-by-district plans anyway, either by outbreak or teacher/parent pushback.
Ya, that wouldn't make much sense. If you're spreading it out to two days in school per week so that half the students are there at a time, which would allow significantly greater social distancing, that would make some sense for areas which are doing okay since we know kids doing elearning aren't getting the same level of education.
Teacher unions are really strong in our state, I imagine they'll be a lot of push back if plans put teachers at risk.
Almost all the states did, with 'probably deaths' not even the biggest cause of that. Miscategorized is a lot more.
Their plan is no plan beyond:
1. Try to keep students together (impossible at high school)
2. Keep desks far apart (in my classroom for the amount of students I have that's... not very far)
3. Wear masks
4. Wash hands
Also I'm probably going to have a bunch of kids I have to teach online on top of in person because I know some parents are going to hold their kids at home.
At least they left open the idea of closing down again if things are bad...
Chile Update June 25th
+ 4.648 new positives, 259.064 total, 286.257 total with suspected cases
*HOWEVER* the state office - independet of Health MInistry - that is counting death toll is reporting today 5.257 deceased, NOT counting the probable cases
+ 172 new deaths, 4.903 total, 7.972 total with suspected cases
* 1.751 connected to a ventilator, 427 of them in critical condition. 2.078 in ICUs in total.
+ 17.446 new tests reported, 1.025.081 total
A bump in tests and a bump on positives. Daily positive rate is 26,6%, total positive rate is now 25.3%.
However Health Minister again said that we saw a slight decrease in total cases in spite of how tests have behaved.
Days ago, we knew that the driver of Health Sub-Secretary Paula Daza had Covid so she initiated quatantine since she was in the same vehicle with him. Supposedly she fufilled the quarantine, however, one of the main newspaper today revelaed that she just had 5 days of quatantine instead of 14. Healthcare Network Sub-Secretary also did a short quarantine that sparked controversy by that time. Well, anyway, today, on the wake of this news, new Health Minister Enrique Paris gave his full, "100% support" of what Daza did.
It's also pretty much confirmed that the Uncle of President Piñera did indeed died of Covid19 related pneumonia. So, by all accounts, every single health and safety protocol was broken by him and their relatives at his funeral.
+ 4.648 new positives, 259.064 total, 286.257 total with suspected cases
*HOWEVER* the state office - independet of Health MInistry - that is counting death toll is reporting today 5.257 deceased, NOT counting the probable cases
+ 172 new deaths, 4.903 total, 7.972 total with suspected cases
* 1.751 connected to a ventilator, 427 of them in critical condition. 2.078 in ICUs in total.
+ 17.446 new tests reported, 1.025.081 total
A bump in tests and a bump on positives. Daily positive rate is 26,6%, total positive rate is now 25.3%.
However Health Minister again said that we saw a slight decrease in total cases in spite of how tests have behaved.
Days ago, we knew that the driver of Health Sub-Secretary Paula Daza had Covid so she initiated quatantine since she was in the same vehicle with him. Supposedly she fufilled the quarantine, however, one of the main newspaper today revelaed that she just had 5 days of quatantine instead of 14. Healthcare Network Sub-Secretary also did a short quarantine that sparked controversy by that time. Well, anyway, today, on the wake of this news, new Health Minister Enrique Paris gave his full, "100% support" of what Daza did.
It's also pretty much confirmed that the Uncle of President Piñera did indeed died of Covid19 related pneumonia. So, by all accounts, every single health and safety protocol was broken by him and their relatives at his funeral.
One person getting reinfected doesn't necessarily throw a wrench into things, although it sure as shit would make one want to look for more possible reinfections.
You can't really show "Not getting reinfected", you just have to see if reinfections ever show up. The longer it takes for them to show up, the more likely immunity is preventing them from showing up.
We have millions and millions of cases now and no verified reinfections. And even with overwhelming immunity, some number of people are likely just going to be wildly unlucky and not produce enough antibodies or whatever. That doesn't really mean "no immunity".
The question isn't really "is reinfection possible", it's "how long before *most* people are vulnerable to reinfection". If like one to five percent of people can get reinfected after a few months but it lasts years for the other 95%, that's still effectively long-term immunity.
But if, say, HALF the cases are vulnerable again after a few months or less than a year, that's a problem.
It went pretty good in Slovenia. But as my mother (teacher for 40 years) said, the main impact will be seen in the next school year. Online classes (or home teaching) can't replace normal classes and knowledge will be on lower level without any doubt.
Hopefully they are staying away from older folks.
But.....they probably aren't.
While it is, the problem is that a runaway infection in younger people will trickle up either through family, or jobs, over time. For example, a lot of nursing homes employ cheaper, younger employees in a lot of different capacities to keep costs down soooo....
Yep. I think we're watching the "invisible" part of the northeast wave in the rest of the country now