Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) resources and discussion thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)

[zulux21]

... I mean I know it's pretty obvious but your healthcare systems seem pretty fucked up in more ways than 1.

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Yup.
America is one of the only first would countries where getting the medical help you need to save your life can in return ruin your life with debt.

And the GOP has done such a good job brainwashing people into thinking the system is good that it's a huge pain to even explain to people how losing more of their paycheck to taxes, but not having to pay for healthcare out of pocket anymore, can get them more money.

How a system that could cover your medical needs for little to no extra cost beyond your taxes won't result in you paying more than their already high co pays and prescription costs.

It's going to be a long fight to fix the healthcare system in America... if there are any positives from this virus, it may just speed up the process of convincing people that things could be better if everyone could have access to healthcare without needing a job.

But alas, my fellow Americans managed to vote in Trump... so even that might be a hard point to get too as people don't seem to learn.

 

[eyeball_kid]

... I mean I know it's pretty obvious but your healthcare systems seem pretty fucked up in more ways than 1.

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Alas, if a progressive like Warren or Bernie was the Democratic frontrunner, this would be the perfect political situation to actually change that.

 

[El Bombastico]

Best indication yet that the social distancing is working...

Hospitalizations for novel coronavirus-like illness declined last week in Washington, offering a glimmer of hope

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California went into shelter in place before anyone else. This Thursday will mark the 14th day since it went into effect. I'm anxious see what the numbers will look like after that...

 

[Kevers]

I'm not trying to freak out but I went back into work tonight after a 4 day break and was told my assistant manager's niece is one of the positives for our town. She shops in my store 3-4 times a week so we've all interacted with her. We are 1 of the 2 stores in our area where most of the town shops so we knew it was an eventuality, we just didn't expect it so soon.

Our district manager doesn't really care how small the town is or the fact that everyone shops in our store and we'll be staying open until actual staff tests positive.

 

[anamika]

Always wanted to know. What is peer review? Do they do they study again or just double check the numbers?

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Experts in similar fields looking at the data and see if it's been analyzed properly, if the statistics are right, check up on experimental designs, if the right controls were used etc.

 

[Senator Toadstool]

Experts in similar fields looking at the data and see if it's been analyzed properly, if the statistics are right, check up on experimental designs, if the right controls were used etc.

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Okay, so its like editing in a Liberal Arts/Legal journal?

I thought they redid the experiment, but looking back that doesn't make any sense

 

[Deleted member 28474]

As well as recreating the experiment to see if the results are the same. Within reason and sometimes this means crunching stats and data.

Also, I am now getting really worried that as things get better, people will stop giving a fuck about isolating and we will have flare ups.

 

[Senator Toadstool]

I'm not trying to freak out but I went back into work tonight after a 4 day break and was told my assistant manager's niece is one of the positives for our town. She shops in my store 3-4 times a week so we've all interacted with her. We are 1 of the 2 stores in our area where most of the town shops so we knew it was an eventuality, we just didn't expect it so soon.

Our district manager doesn't really care how small the town is or the fact that everyone shops in our store and we'll be staying open until actual staff tests positive.

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From what I gather unless she sneezed on you or you spent 15 minutes talking to her any viral load she shed is not enough to get you sick. It seems sustained contact of more than 15-30 minutes, sneeze or cough (or a very spitty speaker) or and this is the big one I think. You touched a contaminated surface then touched your face

 

[anamika]

Okay, so its like editing in a Liberal Arts/Legal journal?

I thought they redid the experiment, but looking back that doesn't make any sense

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I am not sure what editing for a liberal arts/legal journal involves, but here it's looking at whether the data was collected in the right manner, whether all variables were taken into consideration when designing the experiment, whether the trial group is large enough for example, whether the statistics (errors, mean values, no. of experiments done etc.) is right, whether the experiment was done in the right manner, how it compares to results from previous experiments etc. If these things are all correct, then it means that the final conclusion to those experiments are also right and hence the study becomes verified and authentic.

 

[HTupolev]

Does America not have public state owmed hospitals?

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LOL

HAHAHAHAHAA

D:

 

[TheCuriousdabber]

I think Democrats in the US should announce a plan to pay off up to 100k in student loans for any healthcare worker or first responder and provide a 1M dollar supplemental government life insurance plan (good for the next 2 years) free of charge which would pay out on top of any plan that health care workers are already signed up for through their own insurance coverage.

For those health care workers with no student loans or any who choose to opt out of the loan repayment they should be given a one time $20k tax credit on next year's return.

This would also be offered to any health care workers who are coming out of retirement to assist.

These people are putting their lives on the line without the proper protective gear to keep all of us alive and healthy,they should be rewarded.

It's all well and good to have the cheering at certain times of day and all the well wishes but we need to do something tangible for these people, many of whom will be dealing with mental issues for the rest of their life over what they are going through right now.

 

[signal]

LOL

HAHAHAHAHAA

D:

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But the US does have public hospitals.

 

[sweetmini]

Holy shit. Got details?

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Sorry, we have a tad too many pages , i fear the person whom posted the tweet did not recopy the text... it was a patient from the USA taking a capture of the bill he got from the hospital after having recovered from covid-19 and being discharged ... i think it was about a week ago :(

Sure, there can be negotiations with the hospital afterwards, and maybe the government will subscribe to a global insurance for the entirety of USA citizens exclusively for COVID-19 (if things touch too many of the voting base... i guess it could happen, right ?)... still that's a steep bill, specially if all you have in bank is a month worth of salary with rent to pay, food to purchase for the rest of the family and loans running.

 

[Deleted member 8741]

I think Democrats in the US should announce a plan to pay off up to 100k in student loans for any healthcare worker or first responder and provide a 1M dollar supplemental government life insurance plan (good for the next 2 years) free of charge which would pay out on top of any plan that health care workers are already signed up for through their own insurance coverage.

For those health care workers with no student loans or any who choose to opt out of the loan repayment they should be given a one time $20k tax credit on next year's return.

This would also be offered to any health care workers who are coming out of retirement to assist.

These people are putting their lives on the line without the proper protective gear to keep all of us alive and healthy,they should be rewarded.

It's all well and good to have the cheering at certain times of day and all the well wishes but we need to do something tangible for these people, many of whom will be dealing with mental issues for the rest of their life over what they are going through right now.

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I agree with this 100%

They are the front lines and yet they are being yanked around al over the place when it comes to procedures, pay, hours, and expectations. It's absurd.

 

[Tap In]

Yup.
America is one of the only first would countries where getting the medical help you need to save your life can in return ruin your life with debt.

And the GOP has done such a good job brainwashing people into thinking the system is good that it's a huge pain to even explain to people how losing more of their paycheck to taxes, but not having to pay for healthcare out of pocket anymore, can get them more money.

How a system that could cover your medical needs for little to no extra cost beyond your taxes won't result in you paying more than their already high co pays and prescription costs.

It's going to be a long fight to fix the healthcare system in America... if there are any positives from this virus, it may just speed up the process of convincing people that things could be better if everyone could have access to healthcare without needing a job.

But alas, my fellow Americans managed to vote in Trump... so even that might be a hard point to get too as people don't seem to learn.

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Yep damned shame. Math is hard for some people and we also are not good at seeing long term benefits of things like that. Nobody expects to get sick so they like their little company plan and don't care about the rest of it. As you said, hopefully this will enlighten some but I am doubtful. People should not be tied to a job for their health care and Cobra is a joke.

In a country with so many small business and self-employed workers you would think that would help

 

[Antiwhippy]

Yup.
America is one of the only first would countries where getting the medical help you need to save your life can in return ruin your life with debt.

And the GOP has done such a good job brainwashing people into thinking the system is good that it's a huge pain to even explain to people how losing more of their paycheck to taxes, but not having to pay for healthcare out of pocket anymore, can get them more money.

How a system that could cover your medical needs for little to no extra cost beyond your taxes won't result in you paying more than their already high co pays and prescription costs.

It's going to be a long fight to fix the healthcare system in America... if there are any positives from this virus, it may just speed up the process of convincing people that things could be better if everyone could have access to healthcare without needing a job.

But alas, my fellow Americans managed to vote in Trump... so even that might be a hard point to get too as people don't seem to learn.

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Just to contrast Australia recently just foot the bill to keep private hospitals and private healthcare workers integrated into the public system response to the virus.

Australian government will pay half to integrate private hospitals into Covid-19 response

Health minister Greg Hunt says private hospitals must retain staff during coronavirus pandemic, since the state is underwriting their viability

www.theguardian.com

 

[zulux21]

Yep damned shame. Math is hard for some people and we also are not good at seeing long term benefits of things like that. Nobody expects to get sick so they like their little company plan and don't care about the rest of it. As you said, hopefully this will enlighten some but I am doubtful. People should not be tied to a job for their health care and Cobra is a joke.

In a country with so many small business and self-employed workers you would think that would help

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we really need to do better at teaching people math...
even with the virus and explaining people how exponential curves work many people still don't seem to grasp it.
When I tell people that Florida alone will have 100k cases by the end of April a number of people seem to think I'm crazy, when I know I'm really low balling that number given how poorly Florida is handling the situation :/

Just to contrast Australia recently just foot the bill to keep private hospitals and private healthcare workers integrated into the public system response to the virus.

Australian government will pay half to integrate private hospitals into Covid-19 response

Health minister Greg Hunt says private hospitals must retain staff during coronavirus pandemic, since the state is underwriting their viability

www.theguardian.com

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In America we have a bill to help people held up for days because the dems thought it was a bad idea to basically let 500 billion in aid be a blank check that isn't followed (and it was) only to have the GOP turn around and go... yeah... we only let you have that because we are going to illegally ignore it anyway and we stacked the system so much no one will stop us :/

Our government only really cares about how it can profit off the people, not about the people.

But I mean we didn't need this virus to know that, we just needed to look at our for profit prisons, our workers rights (well lack there of) our lack of vacation days, our lack of holidays ect to know that the average person is nothing more than a replaceable meaningless cog to most of those in power.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Fairly sobering thread from a doctor on the frontlines in NYC. This part in particular is something I've wondered myself. In the U.S., the deaths are going to impact everyone in a personal way before this is all over.



It is also hard not to see this over and over from doctors and be slightly alarmed.

 

[Tap In]

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Thanks

 

[Joni]

Belgian funeral sector says March is a slightly below average month in terms of deaths. So the number of Corona deaths so far is compensated by less deaths due to other causes.

 

[HTupolev]

But the US does have public hospitals.

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With a lot of asterisks, yes. Services like VA are highly-specific and don't apply to the vast majority of the population.

Belgian funeral sector says March is a slightly below average month in terms of deaths. So the number of Corona deaths so far is compensated by less deaths due to other causes.

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Obviously the solution to COVID-19 is to ramp up non-coronavirus deaths to make sure that COVID-19 doesn't become the leading cause. Problem solved!

 

[Tap In]

we really need to do better at teaching people math...
even with the virus and explaining people how exponential curves work many people still don't seem to grasp it.
When I tell people that Florida alone will have 100k cases by the end of April a number of people seem to think I'm crazy, when I know I'm really low balling that number given how poorly Florida is handling the situation :/


In America we have a bill to help people held up for days because the dems thought it was a bad idea to basically let 500 billion in aid be a blank check that isn't followed (and it was) only to have the GOP turn around and go... yeah... we only let you have that because we are going to illegally ignore it anyway and we stacked the system so much no one will stop us :/

Our government only really cares about how it can profit off the people, not about the people.

But I mean we didn't need this virus to know that, we just needed to look at our for profit prisons, our workers rights (well lack there of) our lack of vacation days, our lack of holidays ect to know that the average person is nothing more than a replaceable meaningless cog to most of those in power.

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Yes. Damn. Now I'm really depressed about the state of the US. What a disaster exactly as you listed. It's astounding how people still think the GOP is out for it's citizens. All they care about is making corporations bigger and making sure abortion is made illegal to keep the base happy. They pretty much ignore the rest of it.

I'm hoping that when we get through this that enough people wake up a bit to be sure this administration is out of office. Not that much will change so long as Congress is split.

my heart goes out to all of those who have or will experience loss at this terrible time and my thanks goes out to all of our health care professionals putting it on the line for us. We all deserve better.

 

[Sir Hound]

It is also hard not to see this over and over from doctors and be slightly alarmed.

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Doctors are going to be the pinnacle of "seen it all". The only thing that matters are the statistics.

 

[Naru]

Wasn't there something about the way Germany was counting covid deaths

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Yes, dead people don't get tested for covid.

 

[P-MAC]

Yes, dead people don't get tested for covid.

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Isn't that the case in the U.K. too? The terminology used is specifically "people who have died after testing positive for coronavirus". Which implies that people who die outside of hospital or before being tested aren't counted.

 

[Einherjer]

Yes, dead people don't get tested for covid.

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We are testing 500 to 600k a week now in Germany and even all of those in contact with an infected person, as well as those who only showed mild symptoms where tested from the start of the pandemic unlike what other country's did, i highly doubt we miss a lot of deaths from covid at this point.

 

[sweetmini]

Isn't that the case in the U.K. too? The terminology used is specifically "people who have died after testing positive for coronavirus"

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Over here, in France, in the hospital, the dead are counted as covid-19 deaths even if there's an important co-morbidity (severe kidney problems , heart disease etc). People are all tested so they can be dispatched to the proper aisles/decicated hospitals.
Outside of the hospital, in nursing homes, people are tested until they reach 2 persons with covid-19... after 2 detected infection we stop testing and all subsequent deaths are attributed to covid-19 . We should have had the first tally yesterday, we didn't get it but were warned it will be high and make a jump to our reports.
For people dead at home, it will be based on report of symptoms. It should come with 2 weeks lag when it's in place... local bureaucracy being very understaffed because of stay at home.

 

[Gorgosh]

Yes, dead people don't get tested for covid.

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This has been debunked like 10 times in this Thread already.

 

[hannybunny24]

Yes, dead people don't get tested for covid.

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Isn't that the case in the U.K. too? The terminology used is specifically "people who have died after testing positive for coronavirus"

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This is not true. I have seen this claimed without sources in a few fringe areas and on twitter but fact is right now everyone dying to corona linked reasons whether at home, in a hospital or wherever is tested.

Right now counted deaths are:
-People dying from corona at home, in hospitals. (died from)
-People dying with corona even if cause of death was unrelated. (died with)
-Posthum testing for people with symptoms or otherwise death suspected the be corona related.

/German source, statement per RKI

#Faktenfuchs: Wie werden Corona-Todesfälle gezählt?

Wenn bei einem Verstorbenen eine Corona-Infektion nachgewiesen wurde, dann gilt er dem Robert Koch-Institut zufolge als Corona-Todesfall. Auch wenn er möglicherweise wegen einer anderen Ursache gestorben ist. Was genau bedeutet das aber?

www.br.de

 

[Xando]

Germany according to RKI:
Total infected: 62k
Total dead: 583
Average age of dead 80, youngest to die was 28
Total recovered: 16.1k

CFR is at 0.8%, they think it's down to early aggressive testing and catching a lot of young people. They think it will go up as more older people get infected.

 

[Einherjer]

Still relevant: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/...ath-rate-for-coronavirus-sepkowitz/index.html
It looks like our health care system in Germany is just that good and we took this very serious from the start.

 

[Xando]

RKI president again just said they have no evidence of deaths being underreported

 

[Anarion07]

Germanys CFR continues to rise every day. Originally they were catching cases early but the cases haven't recovered so the death rate is lagging. The daily death rate is over 2% now and originally they were at a total .25% death rate and they are almost past 1%. While it shouldn't be anywhere near Italy it will still rise significantly.

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Daily death rate? What do you mean?

 

[Xando]

Also apparently there is some cases in italy being reported that the virus not only causes pneumonia but also attacks the heart muscles.

 

[DNgamers]

So whats the best way to build a mask that's also easy and affordable? I have tried the caffee filter way, it looks a bit dorky but that shouldn't be important, of course. Still, I'm feeling like a pest doctor with it.

 

[KingSnake]

Also apparently there is some cases in italy being reported that the virus not only causes pneumonia but also attacks the heart muscles.

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I think there were some similar reports also from China if I remember well.

 

[darkwing]

So whats the best way to build a mask that's also easy and affordable? I have tried the caffee filter way, it looks a bit dorky but that shouldn't be important, of course. Still, I'm feeling like a pest doctor with it.

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I find this pretty cool

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[Twenty Three]

Also apparently there is some cases in italy being reported that the virus not only causes pneumonia but also attacks the heart muscles.

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There have been a few reports on this recently, as it now appears that cardiac arrest is one of the main killing effects of the virus.

 

[Kapten]

Hey Sweden's Folkhälsomyndigheten, could I get some more of those "recommendations" please.

 

[darkwing]

There have been a few reports on this recently, as it now appears that cardiac arrest is one of the main killing effects of the virus.

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wouldn't be respiratory distress the cause of the cardiac arrest? I mean breathing difficulties can mean extra pressure on the heart?

 

[uzipukki]

wouldn't be respiratory distress the cause of the cardiac arrest? I mean breathing difficulties can mean extra pressure on the heart?

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This and also, it's not unheard of for illnesses to affect the heart muscle. I'm not comparing corona to influenza, but from what I know, in some cases influenza can cause inflammation of the heart muscle. Correct me if i'm wrong.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that Corona "attacks" the heart muscle. It seems it can cause heart complications possibly.

 

[Halbrand]

wouldn't be respiratory distress the cause of the cardiac arrest? I mean breathing difficulties can mean extra pressure on the heart?

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Exactly

 

[Rubmifer]

12 year old belgian girl died yesterday after complications after getting the corona virus. :(

 

[Perzeval]

Hey Sweden's Folkhälsomyndigheten, could I get some more of those "recommendations" please.

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Tvätta händer, var solidarisk.

 

[elenarie]

Hey Sweden's Folkhälsomyndigheten, could I get some more of those "recommendations" please.

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Did something happen?

 

[uzipukki]

Finnish health authorities just reported that the number of new infections have halved from saturday. While I do acknowledge that Finland should've done a better job at testing everybody, not just those who require hospitalization, this is good news nonetheless.

 

[Senator Toadstool]

Also apparently there is some cases in italy being reported that the virus not only causes pneumonia but also attacks the heart muscles.

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I think there's speculation a lot of those are cytokine storm episodes.

 

[Kapten]

Did something happen?

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Nah. Sorry for that. Except that the Riksläkare in Örebro compared it to flu. Today.

I just want some proper decisions and not loose recommendations.

 

[Deleted member 21709]

12 year old belgian girl died yesterday after complications after getting the corona virus. :(

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RIP

 

[squeakywheel]

So whats the best way to build a mask that's also easy and affordable? I have tried the caffee filter way, it looks a bit dorky but that shouldn't be important, of course. Still, I'm feeling like a pest doctor with it.

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This looks and sounds like it works https://youtu.be/W6d3twpHwis