This is seeming more and more unlikely the further we get into this pandemic, but is still ostensibly true.
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This is seeming more and more unlikely the further we get into this pandemic, but is still ostensibly true.
At least the weather went back to shit so I don't feel so bad about staying inside all day now
We're washingtonians, we don't melt under showers. Will keep the people away from the beaches and parks hopefully.
Italy has been dealing with this for more than a month now while the US only escalated in this past week. Air force actually had 50k masks in italy but decided to rather bring it back to the US for example. Trump and his admin tried to steal european scientists and get them to make a vaccine exclusive to the US. Trump unilaterally closed the borders to europe without consulting with his european 'allies' which caused even more economic harm but hey i guess america first and everything.
They already push the "health vs economy card" here in Germany, and this is only the beginning.
www.welt.de
Corona-Krise: Ifo-Szenarien sehen Wirtschaft dramatisch schrumpfen - WELT
Die Szenarien des Ifo-Instituts lassen die deutsche Wirtschaft erschaudern. Die Politik muss nun clever zwischen Wirtschaft und Gesundheit abwägen. Denn schon bei einem einmonatigen Shutdown schrumpft das Bruttoinlandsprodukt auf unvorstellbare Weise.
Yesterday's increments were 1691 positive cases, 361 deaths.
Saturday's increments were 3251 positive cases, 546 deaths.
Gotta say I'm really happy with Peru's response to this shit. We went on full lockdown mode after 70 cases.
Yeah I don't care about the rain I just feel kinda guilty staying inside when it's nice out lol
they could stop increasing sanctions on Iran. its very funny that China is literally helping everyone around the world and people still think there's a nefarious agenda while we Americans are naturally the good guys that are doing the best we can. maybe the countries in the European Union should ask each other for help instead? could we ask Italy how that's going?
And it's utterly nuts because the only group that's actually low risk are children. Even healthy adults have around a 20% hospitalization rate! Never mind that actually doing this would probably cause far more damage than a few months of lockdowns.
Yeah, the whole "There's a dangerous disease running around. Let's get everyone sick!" is something that should be the domain of crazed death cults, not actual governments.
I'm going to kill my kids if they are cooped up in the house all day long. Thankfully we have a yard they can run around in./
Looks like the lockdown is finally having a positive effect. German curve also is slowing a bit according to RKI.
Finally some good news.
Honest to god if I hear anyone utter the words herd immunity again (in regards to covid) I'm gonna have a stroke. It is not and should never be tbe focus of convo/plan in combatting a disease that has no vaccine yet and that is in a pandemic stage. Unless you are happy to gamble the lives of millions of elderly people (and a few thousand young)...and as I have taken the hippocratic oath I am not happy to take that gamble.
I don't wanna hear the phrase herd immunity again till we have a vaccine...which is not for a year
This coming from someone who is a doctor
I'm an essential employee who works supply chain in a hospital. I'm incredibly nervous about this virus as I live with my dad who has COPD. Right now I have a very dry throat with a slight annoying cough. But the kicker is I just started this job in February so I don't want to stay home because I think it looks bad. What should I do? This anxiety is driving me crazy.
I don't think any country that was seeing a massive escalation of cases in their own borders while having a major shortfall of masks would have donated them. The masks weren't stolen by the Air Force. They were US masks on a base in Italy. The vaccine thing is indefensible but so too is China wasting weeks with cover up BS.
It's a pile up. The lockdown came in effect the 14th, which means that already saturated hospitals are receiving those who have been incubating the virus since before then. Resources are also much more strained, meaning higher mortality.
I see photos taken in other countries of empty streets, yet this weekend in California it looked like a normal weekend with people everywhere.
I'm happy after seeing all the social media coverage, the LA mayor closed down all parks, after seeing too many people.
It just looks like no Californian (American?) can be told to quarantine, and stay home as much as possible. I guess that's why California now has the virus spreading rapidly.
I'm happy after seeing all the social media coverage, the LA mayor closed down all parks, after seeing too many people.
It just looks like no Californian (American?) can be told to quarantine, and stay home as much as possible. I guess that's why California now has the virus spreading rapidly.
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I feel the exact same way. Ready for some rain. It's depressing to look outside and see how beautiful it is only not able to take advantage of it.
I feel the exact same way. Ready for some rain. It's depressing to look outside and see how beautiful it is only not able to take advantage of it.
This is factually untrue as germany has provided 1 million masks to italy last week while their hospitals are running out of masks.
What? One of their wet markets caused this, just like they caused SARS. After SARS happened they banned wet markets, but then promptly opened them up again when the world forgot about it. That's on top of the cover up they attempted at first.
Sorry but I can't even remotely agree with attempting to completely wash China's hands off their responsibility of a situation the entire world is facing. The Chinese government better be helpful to countries in need.
Ah that explains it.
If you work in a hospital and have a potential symptom, the responsible thing is to tell your supervisor what's going on.
You mean this lab?
Also closing the borders to Europe was ultimately the right call, especially considering that Europe did the same thing two days later.
Also, of course the US had to bring its masks home.... there is a major mask shortage in the US.
That...may bite them in the ass if it takes off in Germany soon
Is his name Eugene or did he spell eugenics wrong?Just a reminder people like this exist and are probably in positions of power (this guy thankfully is just some random CA Attorney)
Scott A McMillan on Twitter
“@eugenegu @realDonaldTrump The fundamental problem is whether we are going to tank the entire economy to save 2.5% of the population which is (1) generally expensive to maintain, and (2) not productive.”twitter.com
If the virus had gotten out of China earlier than January you would have seen healthcare systems collapse by February at the very latest.
Novel illnesses like that don't go unnoticed in hospitals and considering the high level of infectiousness it would have quickly been a considerable number of cases.
This thing was under control in January and through parts of February. Then Italy failed to stay on top of people returning from China through other countries. Then Austria fucked the rest of Europe by not shutting down their ski resorts when Iceland reported several cases amongst tourists from that area on March 1st.
That's now over 3 weeks ago. Austria closed its resorts beginning on the 14th of March. Meaning that several thousands of people skied and partied for 2 weeks in places where the virus had been spreading for at least 2 weeks already(so 4 weeks in total).
Thats tens of thousands of tourists returning home across Europe, unaware that they have been in a risk area, happily spreading the virus for weeks to come.
Germany noticed rates of up to 80% infected among groups returning from these ski resorts.
Apart from Italy, the outbreak in Europe is mainly to blame on Austria's failure to react to Iceland's reports on March 1st.
They should have shut everything there down immediately, declare the region a risk area like Wuhan and Iran and quarantine everyone who was there in February and inform the world about it so they check people who returned from the region.
But they didn't because they wanted to protect their tourism business.
These are the mistakes that will cost billions of € and thousands of lives.
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Yet.., people most likely to be affected will vote Trump!Just a reminder people like this exist and are probably in positions of power (this guy thankfully is just some random CA Attorney)
Scott A McMillan on Twitter
“@eugenegu @realDonaldTrump The fundamental problem is whether we are going to tank the entire economy to save 2.5% of the population which is (1) generally expensive to maintain, and (2) not productive.”
So what you're saying is we're only allies as long as it benefits you americans. Thank you that is as much as i have gathered.
And you wonder why people praise china for sending aid while this is your response?
The curve in germany is slowing according to their CDC, they just received a batch of 10 million masks this week with more on the way so i guess they'll be fine.
We've been quarantined for a week now. We have started slowing down the curve, so the number of cases is lower than the projections (but not much), keep in mind we will probably be quarantined for at least 3 weeks or so.
Think Italy has been on quarantine even longer and they are hoping the curve to go down in the next week.
China shut down their country when they had 500 infected and 17 deaths and mobilized their entire economy to fight that virus. Trump was calling it fake news when the US had such numbers.
We had enough time to prepare for this, there were very very few infected people in the US at the time and we did nothing except talking shit about their AuThOrItArIaN mEaSuReS (the US fucking tried to file a human rights complaint against China for violating people's freedom of movement when they closed Wuhan down).
They botched the early response for sure, they know it more than anyone and they fired pretty much everyone who was in a position to respond for this in Wuhan and Hubei, and I'm pretty damn certain a whole lot of people are going to go jail for a long ass time for the way they handled it.
Trump is trying to deflect blame for his incompetence by making it about China, and I really really don't think we should be helping him with that.
It's funny how you keep asking what has the US done for you, but not the other way around. But keep posting that the US is evil and trying to "steal vaccines" even though the lab itself says that that is false.
My post is not a defense of Trump at all. I just find it odd and off-putting that there is so much praise for the CCP when they allowed the situation which led to COVID-19 and then botched it in the initial weeks in such a dramatic way. The US certainly doesn't deserve any praise for its response but CCP doesn't either.
Viruses like that can originate from everywhere. Whether its a Chinese wet market or a European or American factory farm doesn't matter at the end of the day.
The cover-up at first also didn't impede the rest of the world's ability to act.
It's important not to blame China here but to point out the mistakes within the international reactions that caused this terrible outcome.
This wasn't the last virus with pandemic potential we will face and if we don't learn from our mistakes but instead blame China, we will be just as fucked the next time it happens.
We had 3 months and did nothing for 3 months. That's not Chinas fault.
I don't agree that "healthy people should go back to work" and we should just avoid quarantine. That said, I do think there's some truth to the reality that this is not a sustainable solution either. If we literally knock out 40% of the economy for 6-12 months, there will be no hospitals left to save people. Everything will break down at some point. It sucks, I don't have a good solution, isolation for a 4 weeks or so? Sure. After May though, people are going to start losing their minds and homes unless something drastic is done.
What is gained by insisting on blaming this on China outside making the inevitable Trump deflection more effective?
Honest question.
Ah yes the lab that only came out saying it would not move to the US after it has gained a 80m € grant from the EU. Surely that is totally trustworthy!
But go ahead and blame everything on china while using trump talking points.
Yes theoretically they could, if the European or American factory farm was infested by bats. Only both SARS 1 and SARS 2 came from a Chinese wet market, after these wet markets were designated as something that should be closed because of the likeliness that zoonotic viruses will originate from there, so hmmmm.
Welp, my kid's local school district just sent out an email that on the 11th a kids mom got tested, and just got the results back this Sat(wtf 10 days?!) and just notified the district on Sat. Schools closed on the 13th, which means there is a chance that in the time leading up to it the mom passed it to the kid, who I'm sure passed it to everyone else.
FML.
FML.
that is not true, china advised everyone to shut up through the whole december. there were doctors who knew early about this and they were told to not say anything about it. one of them was dr. li wenliang who later officially "died of the virus". (and was 33 years old)
first case was end of november or even before, no one knows.
1st known case of coronavirus traced back to November in China
A 55-year-old individual from Hubei province in China may have been the first person to have contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus spreading across the globe.
www.livescience.com
this is documented, you can find much more infos if you want. also, 5 million people fleed from Wuhan before there was the lockdown.
also, watch this documentary about the beginnings of the epidemic
We can definitely do both
like no reason for a fucking cover up to get off scot-free because we should have reacted better?
The Chinese were dealing with an unknown virus. The US has been dealing with far better data. It took China about a month to notify the WHO and the US is where it is currently almost 3 months later.
The US issues are their own fault at this point, their response is 100% their responsibility and at the end of the day the death toll will be far greater than it will be in China. Take from that what you will.
Yea I think end of May is probably a reasonable timeframe. Anything past that and that 30% unemployment might be a reality. You absolutely can't do a lockdown situation for 6+ months.
But why does the US owe the EU anything in this? The US isnt doing enough for EU?
I don't think there's a huge benefit of blaming China but I also don't think that blaming the CCP = giving Trump a pass. The CCP blew it early on and Trump still had ample time to prep the US which he squandered with BS "just like the flu" nonsense. People can assign blame to both.
I also think there's a difference between blaming China and lavishing praise on them.
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I'm not blaming everything on China. I am saying China does not deserve any praise for helping with a pandemic they created. The mess that the West is in is still mostly their doing.
