Netherlands update: +573 cases +43 deaths
RIVM: 43 mensen overleden, NL-Alert verstuurd over 1,5 meter afstand
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This is bullshit and fear mongering.
Even in Italy, the worst Hit country people can so Sport activities alone
But not everyone will be out and about at the same time.Its the same thinking, if everyone thinks "oh. yeah I will just go for a walk" and then you will have 1 mllion people on the street, probably not respecting "the 2 meters line" and coughing each other. In my opinion, it's not a good move.
It is a good idea.People are seriously defending going for walks when this is highly contagious, airborne virus... No it's not a good idea. Stay the fuck home.
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The irony is that it could have been worse. It looks like carnaval caused the largest spread and in turn the disproportionate amount of cases in Noord-Brabant and Limburg. Lots of carnaval parades were canceled during the storm, which must have been a blessing in disguise.Netherlands update:
573 new confirmed cases (down from 637 yesterday), total confirmed cases now at 4204
43 new deaths (up from 30 yesterday), total deaths now at 179
152 hospitalizations (down from 193 yesterday), total hospitalizations now at 988
Experts say otherwise.
You can absolutely go outside to walk your dog or even just walk for yourself.They're literally telling you "stay home" "please stay home" "god, people stay at your fucking home".
And now you just want to go out for a fresh air or walking your dog? This is really ridiculous. It's not an ordinary situation, you must change your behavior.
Except that's not true?
It was (still is?) banned in China. It's banned in Italy. It's banned in Spain.
Do you think we wouldn't like going out for a walk? These are extreme measures and are taken for a reason. This is not a fucking game.
I haven't left home FOR A MINUTE in 10 days. It's tough but it's the responsible thing to do.
You'd expect US to be hit with much larger numbers of deaths with these kind of infected totals, but it looks like they're doing pretty good. Unless this is a calm before the storm.
I'm coping just fine so far. Haven't been outside of the house since last Sunday, except to roll out/back the garbage barrel. And that was just outside my house and less than 5min. Have been opening the einfows when it's nice out. Can't guarantee I'll last another few weeks though. Eventually I'll have to go for a walk.I start to get on edge after 36 hours inside. Some of us just can't function that way. Id prolly have an easier time living in a tent or yurt, something with thinner walls and more air if I need to be confined for longer periods.
People Here apparently think that you can get Infected If you Pass through a place where someone Infected has breathed you get Infected Too.
I don't know how many virologist have already stated that you basically can only get Infected If you directly Talk to someone whos Infected or He coughs.
Even If you Touch Something an Infected has Touched the probability to get Infected ist very Low. Very very Low.
I think a key factor in that is that US is much bigger and spread out than people realize. Yes, it's one country. But our major hubs are very spread out and our city-to-city transit system is pathetic. A drive from LA to NY is 2,789 miles ... which is less miles than driving from Madrid to Moscow. Also different cities and states have autonomy to announce states of emergency and shut down their local areas. I think we're going to have waves of infections, as different areas spike at different times.You'd expect US to be hit with much larger numbers of deaths with these kind of infected totals, but it looks like they're doing pretty good. Unless this is a calm before the storm.
Next weekend it needs to go down. Otherwise its gonna be lfull ock down for sure here.Netherlands update:
573 new confirmed cases (down from 637 yesterday), total confirmed cases now at 4204
43 new deaths (up from 30 yesterday), total deaths now at 179
152 hospitalizations (down from 193 yesterday), total hospitalizations now at 988
Don't forget that part of the reason is the huge number of testing being done in Germany. It's why the number of infected is so high, but number of deaths much lower than 'normal'.I wished Germany would implement a country-wide curfew, not only a few states or cities. Germany is now among the highest affected nations in the world with over 22k cases. I still see many people living their usual daily lives as if nothing happened.
Comparing how Germany and France fared after March 14th and with the implementation of a country-wide curfew only in France but not in Germany should give you pause:
France had 4.5k cases then and 14.5k cases now.
Germany had 4.5k cases then and 22k cases now.
Didnt even think about the storm indeed that cancelled alot. Damn.The irony is that it could have been worse. It looks like carnaval caused the largest spread and in turn the disproportionate amount of cases in Noord-Brabant and Limburg. Lots of carnaval parades were canceled during the storm, which must have been a blessing in disguise.
Yeah, next weekend and the period after is make or break. Numbers so far follow predictions made (which is good and bad at the same time), so hopefully we'll see better numbers soon.Next weekend it needs to go down. Otherwise its gonna be lfull ock down for sure here.
You can absolutely go outside to walk your dog or even just walk for yourself.
Don't forget that part of the reason is the huge number of testing being done in Germany. It's why the number of infected is so high, but number of deaths much lower than 'normal'.
The effects of the france curfew only can show since 2 days (median incubation time 6 days), and France was trailing way behind Germany all of a sudden way earlier. It is because of less tests done.I wished Germany would implement a country-wide curfew, not only a few states or cities. Germany is now among the highest affected nations in the world with over 22k cases. I still see many people living their usual daily lives as if nothing happened.
Comparing how Germany and France fared after March 14th and with the implementation of a country-wide curfew only in France but not in Germany should give you pause:
France had 4.5k cases then and 14.5k cases now.
Germany had 4.5k cases then and 22k cases now.
I wish ALL Dutch people would take it seriously. As usual we now suffer from the dumber part of the population who selfishly do as they please.Netherlands update:
573 new confirmed cases (down from 637 yesterday), total confirmed cases now at 4204
43 new deaths (up from 30 yesterday), total deaths now at 179
152 hospitalizations (down from 193 yesterday), total hospitalizations now at 988
Someone here said they don't test people that died of pneumonia for C-19. Not sure if this is true though.I do wonder about the comparatively small number of deaths. Is Germany, compared to the number of affected in the country, the country with the least deaths?
We need a full lock-down or at least shutting down all non-essential stores already.I wish ALL Dutch people would take it seriously. As usual we now suffer from the dumber part of the population who selfishly do as they please.
It's all so simple if we choose to tae it seriously.
That's probably true but then again the official numbers can be multiplied, right? There probably are soooo many infected people without symptoms walking around. The epidemic has reached the point where you don't have to worry about an infection just because you came in contact with a tested person that officially has it. That's why I get furious, seeing so many people ignore everything.Don't forget that part of the reason is the huge number of testing being done in Germany. It's why the number of infected is so high, but number of deaths much lower than 'normal'.
It seems true, but RKI says that they think almost all cases would get tested before they die. Like if they get into a hospital with pneunomia they get immediately tested.Someone here said they don't test people that died of pneumonia for C-19. Not sure if this is true though.
The most likely reason are 70% of infected 20-50 years, many tests done, so more infected are already in quarantine and we are closer to the real numbers than other countires, more ICU capacity than most countries (we have MORE ICU capacity with breathin assistance than UK, France and Italy COMBINED).Source
Keine Tests bei Verstorbenen
Eine andere Erklärung könnte italienischen Experten zufolge sein, dass in Deutschland im Allgemeinen keine Post-mortem-Tests vorgenommen werden, also Tests an Menschen, die gestorben sind. Das RKI hält die nachträglichen Tests bei Verstorbenen hingegen für keinen "entscheidenden Faktor". "Wir gehen davon aus, dass die Patienten diagnostiziert werden, bevor sie sterben", teilte das Institut auf AFP-Anfrage mit.
For some people not going for a walk is going to create bigger problems. Personally I can and will walk everyday and just avoid people which is an option where I'm at.
I start to get on edge after 36 hours inside. Some of us just can't function that way. Id prolly have an easier time living in a tent or yurt, something with thinner walls and more air if I need to be confined for longer periods.
Oh definitely, don't get me wrong. Many more people will have it and the irresponsible way people are going about their lives is infuriating. I'm just trying to put the numbers within context, so they're not misunderstood for what they are :)That's probably true but then again the official numbers can be multiplied, right? There probably are soooo many infected people without symptoms walking around. The epidemic has reached the point where you don't have to worry about an infection just because you came in contact with a tested person that officially has it. That's why I get furious, seeing so many people ignore everything.
There is tape on the ground in grocery stores now and guess what. People ignore them!!!!! I even got pushed a bit because I stood in line where I was supposed to but the person behind me wanted to put his stuff on the counter/checkout (not sure how you call it in english^^°)
We still go walk. There is like almost no one out there. It's not a dense park. It's the suburbs where people have way more space.Yeah I gotta leave the thread as well. Going outside for a walk in my quiet neighborhood is the only thing keeping me sane right now
What if other people are doing the same thing?You can absolutely go outside to walk your dog or even just walk for yourself.
Fauci just said yesterday that asymptomatic people mustn't get tested.Pretty sure it was well known the spread is caused by asymptomatic carriers and that they may make up the bulk of infections.
Even before when there were no restrictions for going outside I could cycle routes where I almost encountered no one.
Just stay 6 feet apart and don't cough or spit in their faces
Next weekend it needs to go down. Otherwise its gonna be lfull ock down for sure here.