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Frankly, the CDC has been a complete failure. I personally know of a fairly high up epidemiologist there that was in thick of shit in West Africa during the Ebola outbreak and know that him, his team, and many others at the CDC were laughing COVID19 off as recently as a month ago.
As a scientist living in Seattle, I have first hand knowledge of the cowardly, corrupt and negligent beginnings of testing in the US. The shit that is going to come out (there is way, way more than just the NYT piece) is going to be astonishing. The bravery and perseverance that people in the Chu lab and many others have done must be commended. They risked their own asses and saved lives.
The lack of awareness is just mind-boggling
Iranians ignore requests to stay home for new year celebrations
Holiday destinations report thousands of cars despite advice to self-isolate as Covid-19 spreadswww.theguardian.com
Wow. Well, looks like Iran is going to give the world the data needed to fill out the "no distancing/no precautions" model for future pandemic responses... at a cost of possibly hundreds of thousands of lives.
The Japanese government is useless. The rate of new cases is slowly rising and they are actually lifting restrictions. The recommendation for organizers of large gatherings is "make your own decision whether to hold/cancel events". They seem paralyzed to make tough decisions.
Pence staffer tests positive:
edition.cnn.com
Staff member in Vice President Mike Pence's office tests positive for coronavirus
A staff member in Vice President Mike Pence's office has tested positive for coronavirus, Pence's spokesperson said Friday evening.
edition.cnn.com
The lack of awareness is just mind-boggling
Iranians ignore requests to stay home for new year celebrations
Holiday destinations report thousands of cars despite advice to self-isolate as Covid-19 spreads
I understand that not everyone has access to the internet or even tvs, but given the gravity of the situation right now its impossible that they are not aware of how easy this virus can spread and how deadly it is.
They just don't care/won't care until they got infected. Natural selection taking into effect. Unfortunately other people that care are gonna get it as well.
That's seriously mind boggling. How? Why? I mean... how!? 😂
Don't get me wrong, that's awesome you guys are going back to normal, but damn... What makes it so different in Japan than in the West?
My partner is like, 'well we are Japanese and this is Japan so we will be fine'. There's really an ingrained sense of ignorance here about global issues.
I have to go back to work from Tuesday and have a daily commute along the central line in Tokyo :|
Yeah. I think the latest assumption is that the actual death rate might be ~0.5% but 26 would probably mean <0.1%?
If that German mortality data is even close to accurate, would mean that millions of people are already infected.
I get that Spain or Italy are already saturated and not doing test on people with light symptoms.
Still surprised that the German rate is 4 times lower than Corea. I thought they were the world leaders on testing.
I get that Spain or Italy are already saturated and not doing test on people with light symptoms.
Still surprised that the German rate is 4 times lower than Corea. I thought they were the world leaders on testing.
It's been weird in Japan right now - our company has been super proactive, so have been working from home for a month now. But the government doesn't seem to be doing anything?
The strangest thing is that there doesn't seem to be that much panic buying anymore. Shops are full and there is even toilet paper! ( although limited to one large Package per buyer)
The strangest thing is that there doesn't seem to be that much panic buying anymore. Shops are full and there is even toilet paper! ( although limited to one large Package per buyer)
A bad healthcare system could be protected by a very good first responds by the government.
Surely, eventually numbers rise, but a prevention in spreading are essential.
The amount of Dead could be due to healthcare quality, while the amount of infected represents governmental reaction. If one is to slow it affects the other.
To be fair: Germany had a bad, slow first response given that they could have cheated off the others how to NOT do it.
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Apparently the beach near my place is packed with fuckwits from Sydney and tourists who have left the city because Bondi is closed.
Some striking quotes:
One of the Chinese experts helping:
The test is "free" since 28 Jan.
The test is only free if ordered by a doctor. There are many cases who do not get tested despite doctors saying yes it is corona.
*Contact with infected person/returning from risky area/contact to somebody who returned from a risky area
*Symptoms must be present
*Risk group
If one part is not true you gotta pay 300 Euro for privat testing and I am not even sure if that's even still possible.
My niece's 180 children kindergarten had 1 infected confirmed case. Now 1 week later the parents are told By Gesundheitsamt to go in self-imposed quarantine (retrospectively, however that is supposed to work). Many children show symptoms, some for a week but tests were denied.
We have a healthcare system. Good, stable and strong are not words I'd use to describe it as someone with chronic diseases and many experience.
We will see a significant rise in monthly payments, especially But not only if this should follow up with long term damage to patients health.
Germany has experts, many and good ones. That's something I grant them.
Popped up in my feed. Licking toilet seats wasn't popular, so I guess time for a new "Corona challenge"? (Article makes it sound "widespead, national" but that I don't know...)
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Trending: Out-of-control teenagers coughing on grocery store produce - Washington Examiner
Idle teenagers are participating in a “disturbing trend” of coughing on grocery store produce and posting their pranks online as the nation fights the coronavirus, which is known to spread from human “droplets” spraying from mouths.The latest incident occurred in the Washington exurb of...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
I really fucking hope that when this dies down, we finally start to take Coronaviruses seriously. This is the third time in the last twenty years that a Coronavirus has taken off, with this one being the worst. This will happen again, its not a matter of if, but when.
Hopefully, we'll be more prepared next time.
Hopefully, we'll be more prepared next time.
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Okay, I hope you guys can comfort me a little bit. I'm not someone to fall into panic quickly and I usually never see the doctors, but I'm having pain breathing and it's been getting worse for a couple of days now. It's been especially painful in the mornings and I got up at 6 AM twice now. I had my final tennis practice with twelve people before facilities were shut down last Friday in Germany, and there I was in contact to someone who was in Tirol for skiing. He said he had finished his quarantine for two weeks though I'm not a 100% sure if he was infected or not (I think he wasn't). I was very close to leaving the practice but didn't, because I had read that those two weeks reduces the likelihood of a spread to about 1-2%. We played doubles but never touched each other as far as I can tell. I'm having no other symptoms outside the breathing difficulties and a constant headache. I am also in physiotherapy but who knows what can happen there.
I have read that some people have very different symptoms with Corona virus, so I guess that would not be too unnormal. I don't want to put a strain on our healthcare system here in Germany but what if it all gets worse? I had real trouble breathing this morning and it scared me :/ I was in contact with my doctor yesterday and he called me in sick for seven days and ordered me to stay home. If I had fever, I should contact him right away. Things is I never have fever even when I catch a cold or get the flu. Maybe I have something entirely different from Corona (I thought it might be a blocked nerve in the back or something at first), but I'm not sure you get a serious diagnosis here at the moment outside of Corona tests. Corona tests here are only conducted if you have been in direct contact to a confirmed infected case OR if you have been in the hotspot regions yourself and show symptoms. I can understand they need to limit things somewhere but if Coronavirus is spreading as quickly as it is, many people will potentially not be tested.
Anyway, I'm living by myself pretty far from the family and I was hoping to find some emotional comfort here. Can't even enjoy games much at the moment.
I have read that some people have very different symptoms with Corona virus, so I guess that would not be too unnormal. I don't want to put a strain on our healthcare system here in Germany but what if it all gets worse? I had real trouble breathing this morning and it scared me :/ I was in contact with my doctor yesterday and he called me in sick for seven days and ordered me to stay home. If I had fever, I should contact him right away. Things is I never have fever even when I catch a cold or get the flu. Maybe I have something entirely different from Corona (I thought it might be a blocked nerve in the back or something at first), but I'm not sure you get a serious diagnosis here at the moment outside of Corona tests. Corona tests here are only conducted if you have been in direct contact to a confirmed infected case OR if you have been in the hotspot regions yourself and show symptoms. I can understand they need to limit things somewhere but if Coronavirus is spreading as quickly as it is, many people will potentially not be tested.
Anyway, I'm living by myself pretty far from the family and I was hoping to find some emotional comfort here. Can't even enjoy games much at the moment.
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The CDC is working on their own, but it doesn't mean other countries havent developed it. Same thing with the viral tests. China and SK had them already. US wanted to be exceptionalist and make their own.
If Death numbers are relative high in relation to infection numbers than chances are high that a lot more people are infected than known because testing has not started early enough or number of tests per day is not high enough.
What parts of the population are infected could also have some kind of influence. The new German dashboard by the RKI (German CDC) shows that most infected are 36-59 years old, followed by the 16-35 years old group. And still we currently see a huge increase in deaths per day, it's just a matter of time till our death rates start matching other countries.
That's inevitable, isn't it? I have asked the organizer of our practice but he didn't say anyone else reported sick. But then the guy only played doubles with two of us during these two hours.
First off, I'm so sorry you're going through this right now. I think you did all the right things, and since you don't have a fever, it could be related to something else. We just gotta take it day by day. Germany seems the best country in the world that is handling their patients, so you don't have to worry about that at least. Just get some rest, try watching some movies or doing something to preoccupy yourself and get better. Best of luck and please give us updates.
So are where we thought we would be last week, better, worse?
I feel like where pretty much where we thought we would be with maybe some heroes making some headway
I feel like where pretty much where we thought we would be with maybe some heroes making some headway
As long as humans are around, viruses and epidemics will always come. The West has been caught flat footed, as it's being a century since the West has been effected this badly.
in one way but due to sheer huge number of people being infected evwr a low fatality rate is overwhelming I guess
Even if you caught it, its too late. As long as you are not in the risk group I'd say play it save and follow orders. Measure twice daily morning and 5 pm and try your best to get better. If you get worse: Call your doctor, even without fever.
Not "wanting to put a strain on the healthcare system" is heroic, but its no use when doctors miss crucial information over it. If you feel really, really miserable, then its healthcares job to take care of you.
We are already at a point were we cant track the infection anymore, although its not public admitted. It could be the way to that place where you were infected. Who knows.
I'm well aware of that, my point (and hope) is that the next time this happens we take it a bit more seriously. My point was that after SARS and MERS did their thing, we should have paid more attention to Coronaviruses and how they can make the jump from bats to humans (we didn't).
Something like this will happen again. It could be next year, it could be 100 years from now, I just hope we'll be more prepared next time.
I thought this was known. Any fatality rate is bad news. And its more and more younger people too
Just report it like everyone is doing.
More beaches are closing right now.
Waverley's beaches closed until further notice - Waverley Council
So far I can bear it (though it was scary), but if it gets to the point where I can't bear it, I will do so, promised.
I've been trying to avoid people as much as I can and I haven't done a good enough job at it, it seems. But then the state didn't tell us to not do any sports until the last weekend. Should probably have followed my instinct and leave that practice session right away, but I didn't.
And about tracking the infection: Yeah, that's what I figured. Only testing the virus if you meet conditions a, b, c can lead to many cases that never make the statistics. And those strict criteria can lead to make people like me think that you can only have this virus if you have a, b, c. I don't think this is the case at all, as people have been having all sorts of symptoms and not all of them share the same one's. Thank you for your encouragement, also a heads up to Rory and chubigans
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Singapore has its first deaths today🙁
2 patients.
The Indonesian came to seek treatment here but didn't make it.
www.moh.gov.sg
Edit: The lady was the case who lived one apartment block away from mine and went to clinic that's located at my block. 🙁
2 patients.
The Indonesian came to seek treatment here but didn't make it.
MOH | News Highlights
Find speeches, press releases, forum replies and parliamentary Q&A.
www.moh.gov.sg
Edit: The lady was the case who lived one apartment block away from mine and went to clinic that's located at my block. 🙁
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"masks do not help!" is the current version of "Cats are responsible for the plague!" from the 14th century.
The thing which helps the most is demonized.
Thanks mate, we have an incompetent government equivalent to Trump and his host of morons.
A higher R is absolutely not a good thing. R is the single biggest factor that determines how much a disease overwhelms the healthcare system. I recommend reading these two articles that someone linked a few pages back, they are extremely enlightening:
Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now
Politicians and Business Leaders: What Should You Do and When?
medium.com
Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance
What the Next 18 Months Can Look Like, if Leaders Buy Us Time
medium.com
Everyone here should read this.
yeah its pretty crazy how early on in the spread the media was absolutely demonizing masks. Sanjay Gupta was on CNN every night saying how they could even make things WORSE. This may have also been because we knew less about the virus then, how it's primarily spread through respiratory droplets (talking, sneezing, coughing, breathing, exhaling), not physical contact. they SHOULD really be singing a different tune now, but because of the mass shortages it's too late.
Germany is doing 160k tests a week and currently has tested over 300k people. For reference: Italy has tested around 200k people.
Germany had a bad SECOND response.
The first response was in January in Bavaria and the response was fucking perfect. the spread was eliminated with just 14 infected. We were at 2 infected and 12 recovered the day before the carnival on the 24th of February.
You can look up every day on https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/
My question wasn't about number of cases. My point was that Germany and the U.S. have about the same number of reported cases right now (roughly 19.8k), but Germany has had 68 deaths while the U.S. has had 275 deaths. So there's something about the patient demographic or treatment that is keeping deaths much lower in Germany.
Number of tests has a direct impact on the death rate. The Us is only testing people who show symptoms, or even only people who need hospitalization. The shadow figure is much higher in the US. If the US would test more, their cases would be 10 times higher and their death rate much lower.