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XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
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The 100% thing is a little misleading as I believe 6 of the patients in the group didn't see results with it?

But it's very encouraging. That group isn't the only one seeing results with it.
 

Garchia3.0

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Dec 20, 2018
1,859
Not sure if posted before:

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Source: https://twitter.com/evdefender/status/1240516639940136960?s=20

The exact same trend we've seen with France's numbers. It's much easier to notice the 2 week lag using log charts.
 

Defect

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Oct 25, 2017
9,698
Alright, so I went to the doctor yesterday because I had a fever of 102.5 and they tested for the flu and strep throat which tested negative. They did say I'm fighting some virus but my lungs, throat and heart have no issues. I woke up two hours ago with the same fever again and took some Advil and now my temp is at 99.1.

I just turned 24 today so I'm on the young side and I was told to wait it out for a few days and they don't think I have corona. But I'm assuming it still COULD be corona right?
 

Zed

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Oct 28, 2017
2,544
Having a z-pac be a magic bullet for this seems to good to be true. How does an antibiotic stop a virus?
 

UltraMagnus

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
15,670
France (or any other country) needs to fast track Hydroxychlorquine + azithromycin testing ASAP. It may be the most vital aspect of this.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,247
The place I work at decided to throw in an extra bonus this year if we met production goals, they decided that in the midst of a pandemic to "encourage" people to come to work. What the fuck haha.
 

Shroki

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Oct 27, 2017
5,911
Having a z-pac be a magic bullet for this seems to good to be true. How does an antibiotic stop a virus?

Azithromycin has been used in treatment of non-complex malaria as it has been shown to trigger an anti-viral response.

It should be pointed out that the other drug is a malaria med. So zpak is maybe supplimental to that.
 
Sep 14, 2019
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Having a z-pac be a magic bullet for this seems to good to be true. How does an antibiotic stop a virus?

I had the flu last month and the doctor told me the antibiotics I was taking for something else at the time would help prevent pneumonia. She gave me an antibiotic shot and said it should help treat the flu, but if it didn't she told me to return the next day for an antiviral.

I immediately felt better and aside from some very mild symptoms, I felt completely fine the next day.

I didn't really answer your question, but I guess there must be something that antibiotics do, even when dealing with a virus.
 

the_bromo_tachi

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,366
Japan
Probably we will. Last time Japan had only 14 or less new cases was March 1st. Today's increase (+41) is only the 8th highest increase in a single day. You can find some nice graphs here: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/special/coronavirus/
I was using that site before but it only updates once a day. Thus I used this site:
covid19japan.com

Japan COVID-19 Coronavirus Tracker

Live updates of the Coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak in Japan
But not they lowered the numbers, so I guess they were wrong. Really wish they double check their data before updating.
 

HTupolev

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Oct 27, 2017
2,437
Having a z-pac be a magic bullet for this seems to good to be true. How does an antibiotic stop a virus?
I dunno, but if it does, there'll probably be youtube videos explaining it eventually.

The current thinking behind why chloroquine/hydroxychroloquine might be effective is that they help cells absorb zinc, and zinc seems to inhibit the activity of the protein that Coronaviruses use to replicate their RNA.

Azithromycin has been used in treatment of non-complex malaria as it has been shown to trigger an anti-viral response.
Malaria isn't viral, it's caused by plasmodium, which are single-cell eukaryotes.
 

Phabh

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,701
That is a good point and gives me some hope that complete societal collapse may be avoided. But my grandmother is from that corner of the world and is already several decades past the average life expectancy. I know that death comes for everyone but I don't want it to happen like this. :(

Where does she live?
 

eathdemon

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Oct 27, 2017
9,686
I dunno, but if it does, there'll probably be youtube videos explaining it eventually.

The current thinking behind why chloroquine/hydroxychroloquine might be effective is that they help cells absorb zinc, and zinc seems to inhibit the activity of the protein that Coronaviruses use to replicate their RNA.


Malaria isn't viral, it's caused by plasmodium, which are single-cell eukaryotes.
its funny in the sense its just a reminder of how little we know. contry to what people thing, we are just at the start of medical understanding. the stuff we will have in 50 years will likely make current medicine barbaric.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,626
Alright, so I went to the doctor yesterday because I had a fever of 102.5 and they tested for the flu and strep throat which tested negative. They did say I'm fighting some virus but my lungs, throat and heart have no issues. I woke up two hours ago with the same fever again and took some Advil and now my temp is at 99.1.

I just turned 24 today so I'm on the young sid and I was told to wait it out for a few days and they don't think I have corona. But I'm assuming it still COULD be corona right?

It would be wise to assume it's corona while you're fighting off an infection and have fever, yes. So with that in mind, drink tons of water, sleep well and stay off the Advil. Anti-inflammatory medicine like Advil and iboprufen have an adverse effect on covid19. Play it safe and use paracetamol to suppress your fever symptoms.
 

chubigans

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Oct 25, 2017
2,560
Alright, so I went to the doctor yesterday because I had a fever of 102.5 and they tested for the flu and strep throat which tested negative. They did say I'm fighting some virus but my lungs, throat and heart have no issues. I woke up two hours ago with the same fever again and took some Advil and now my temp is at 99.1.

I just turned 24 today so I'm on the young side and I was told to wait it out for a few days and they don't think I have corona. But I'm assuming it still COULD be corona right?
I wouldn't take any more Advil. There were a few studies that say it could have an adverse effect. Take Tylenol instead.
 

darkwing

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,954
Those believe China number thing make me confused.

Back in January, when the virus got out of control in Wuhan
1. Suppose you believe China's number or WHO's suggestion -> you should begin to prepare and take some actions
2. Suppose you don't believe China's number and think they hide the number -> which means you believe the real situation is much worse in China -> you should also begin to prepare and take some actions

I don't understand why situation is so bad right now

countries did not prepare
 

Nephilim

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Oct 28, 2017
5,280
Is Wuhan still under lockdown, like it was at peak time?

In Italy they think about an even more severe lockdown, since authorities are saying people are still moving too much outside... they are going to prohibit outdoorsports and walks.. this coronacrisis sure is going to places:(
 

Naru

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May 11, 2019
2,373
Not the best time for me to only get 5 hours of sleep in...
Is Wuhan still under lockdown, like it was at peak time?

In Italy they think about an even more severe lockdown, since authorities are saying people are still moving too much outside... they are going to prohibit outdoorsports and walks.. this coronacrisis sure is going to places:(
Yes, according to TomTom traffic (click last 7 days): https://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/traffic-index/wuhan-traffic

Can anyone please remind me when the Wuhan lockdown started exactly?
 
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Zackat

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Oct 25, 2017
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I am starting to get pretty concerned about the lack of PPE for even my coworkers and I. We are in the lab, but we have to vortex all the specimens taken for COVID testing to do flu testing on them. This gives a chance of aerosols, which I read today last longer in the air than previously thought? Am I outdated in my info now?

I really hope we can start mass manufacturing masks soon. I worry for all my coworkers and their young families once we start ramping up here soon.
 

Defect

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Oct 25, 2017
9,698
It would be wise to assume it's corona while you're fighting off an infection and have fever, yes. So with that in mind, drink tons of water, sleep well and stay off the Advil. Anti-inflammatory medicine like Advil and iboprufen have an adverse effect on covid19. Play it safe and use paracetamol to suppress your fever symptoms.
I wouldn't take any more Advil. There were a few studies that say it could have an adverse effect. Take Tylenol instead.
I mentioned the Advil stuff to my doctor and she said it was misinformation. Both times I took it, it got rid of my fever so It can't be that bad right? I did get Tylenol so I'll play it safe and just take that instead.
 

Rockets

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Sep 12, 2018
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Whats the situation here in the states now? Are we still doing the whole "these next 2 weeks of quarantining are super important" or is it 8 weeks now?
 

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Oct 24, 2018
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I mentioned the Advil stuff to my doctor and she said it was misinformation. Both times I took it, it got rid of my fever so It can't be that bad right? I did get Tylenol so I'll play it safe and just take that instead.
The point is that fever is a natural response of your body that makes it less hospitable for the virus to spread internally. By suppressing the fever you limit your body's natural ability to fight off the virus.

At least that's how I interpreted Dr. John Campbell's video.

 

Engell

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Oct 28, 2017
1,616
I woke up two hours ago with the same fever again and took some Advil and now my temp is at 99.1

You shouldn't be taking Advil (ibuprofen) if you have Corona. So far doctors experience show that this could make everything worse as it lowers you body temp, your body needs that heat to fight the virus.

so dont take anything that lowers body temp, unfortunately this is almost all headache pills.

fever is part of the body's defence mechanism, this has already been researched. It can be ok to disable this with mild infections, but with an all new virus i wouldn't be taking any chances.
 
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When the epidemic was at its most severe, many Wuhan patients said they were unable to get treated due to an extreme shortage of hospital beds and medical resources. Now, as the number of new reported cases in China slows to a trickle, millions of residents are still restricted by the government to their homes; they're not even allowed to go outside to shop for groceries. Instead, the residents CNN spoke to said they have to rely on designated neighborhood committees to make group orders for daily necessities -- often at a higher price.

While state media has doubled down on constructing a positive narrative of life in Wuhan, the deep well of public anger resulting from stringent censorship, soaring food prices and the failures of the local government is starting to chip away at the propaganda facade.

The coronavirus has now spread to more than 140 countries and territories worldwide, and a growing number of governments -- like that of Italy, Spain and the Philippines -- have imposed lockdowns like the one first introduced in Wuhan. The strict measures in the Chinese city have been credited with slowing the outbreak: for the past three days, Wuhan has reported new cases in the single-digits compared with nearly 4,000 per day a month ago. However, the lockdown has also come at a cost to millions of people.
That rising discontent in Wuhan was evident during what was supposed to be a morale-boosting visit to a local residential community by Vice Premier Sun Chunlan on March 6. During a walk around, Sun was bombarded with cries of "It's fake! It's all fake!" from angry residents yelling from their high-rise apartment windows.

The residents accused the neighborhood committee of staging grocery deliveries of free and reduced-price food for Sun's visit when affordable daily necessities were actually in extremely short supply. Sun, the vice premier, ordered an immediate investigation.

Events attended by high-level Chinese officials tend to be highly choreographed and such outrage is exceptionally rare. Unsurprisingly, Wuhan authorities went to great lengths to prevent a repeat from happening during Xi's tour. Social media posts and photos from the neighborhood WeChat groups seen by CNN suggest local police were stationed on residents' balconies in protective suits to discourage any potential yelling or jeers.
Li Hong, a university student who requested to use a pseudonym over fears of retribution from authorities, has been confined to her home with her father and grandmother for seven weeks.

She's been living in constant anxiety, worrying about what skyrocketing food prices could mean for her family when the money runs out. Her father, a delivery man, was the only breadwinner in the household, but he has not earned anything for weeks due to the lockdown. Now, the only income supporting the family of three is the small state pension collected by Li's grandmother each month, she said.

The cost of vegetables has soared at least three or four times since the implementation of the lockdown, while regular pork ribs can cost more than $10 a pound, Li said. Other angry Wuhan residents have also posted costly grocery receipts on social media.

While some more affluent families may have enough savings to rely on during the outbreak, families such as Li's are being squeezed.

"If it continues like this, we won't be able to sustain our daily life," she told CNN over video chat, showing her dwindling food supplies in the kitchen. A handful of potatoes, two cabbages, some peppers and a small basket of apples and pears stood on the shelves.
Scientists have already started to study the psychological toll of the outbreak and the ensuing quarantine measures. A study published in the China-based journal General Psychiatry this month found nearly 35% of 52,730 respondents across China had experienced psychological distress during the epidemic, based on their reported frequency of anxiety, depression, specific phobias, cognitive change and other symptoms over the course of a week.

Li said the government should bear the blame for the suffering of Wuhan residents. "If they had made public the situation of the outbreak earlier, and had quarantined those patients who had already shown symptoms, I don't think we would have to come to the point of lockdown," she said.
"Sealing off the whole city is a helpless move, a last resort that was forced upon us."

What has further fanned her anger towards the government is the gaping discrepancy between what has been promised by officials on state media and the reality on the ground.

"(The government) said in the news that they're doing a better job now, but I haven't sensed any of that," she said
www.cnn.com

Lockdowns are being imposed around the world. China's example highlights the costs | CNN

Strict coronavirus lockdown measures in the Chinese city of Wuhan have been credited with slowing the outbreak, but they've come at a cost to millions of people.

The cost to control the spread. And they still need to maintain it for at least two more weeks in an effort to prevent a second wave.
 

grmlin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,292
Germany
It's so weird outside. At least here in southern Berlin there is not nearly as much traffic as usual. Almost Sunday morning quiet
maybe Merkel's speech did something.
 

carlsojo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
33,828
San Francisco
i just read the US already has 8,700 cases

oh boy

The number looks pretty bad, and it is, but it's not really representative of where we are in the outbreak. We're still in the very, very early stages.

For example in California there are less than 900 cases and only 17 deaths.

Every state is going to get hit differently and be hit harder than some. Right now Washington and NY are looking the worst.
 

VeePs

Prophet of Truth
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Oct 25, 2017
17,369
I know it's unpredictable, but is there a chance by late May this calms down and borders start opening up again?
 

Defect

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Oct 25, 2017
9,698
The point is that fever is a natural response of your body that makes it less hospitable for the virus to spread internally. By suppressing the fever you limit your body's natural ability to fight off the virus.

At least that's how I interpreted Dr. John Campbell's video.


You shouldn't be taking Advil (ibuprofen) if you have Corona. So far doctors experience show that this could make everything worse as it lowers you body temp, but your body needs that heat to fight the virus.

so dont take anything that lowers body temp, unfortunately this is almost all headache pills.

fever is part of the body's defence mechanism, this has already been researched. It can be ok to disable this with mild infections, but with an all new virus i wouldn't be taking any chances.
The WHO has been cautioning against ibuprofin while it's investigated more thoroughly

Ah I see. So just take Tylenol instead then?

I appreciate the responses.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,681
You shouldn't be taking Advil (ibuprofen) if you have Corona. So far doctors experience show that this could make everything worse as it lowers you body temp, but your body needs that heat to fight the virus.

so dont take anything that lowers body temp, unfortunately this is almost all headache pills.

fever is part of the body's defence mechanism, this has already been researched. It can be ok to disable this with mild infections, but with an all new virus i wouldn't be taking any chances.

what about NyQuil?
 

carlsojo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
33,828
San Francisco
I can't fucking sleep and I haven't been able to fall asleep at night without a ton of booze this while week. I have so much anxiety now.

Tomorrow I'm gonna be exhausted trying to take care of the house, my kid, and try to work.
 

.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
22,230
Maybe it bears mentioning that lowering your fever when you're going over 39 C is probably a good idea until you get to a doctor. Of course maybe preferably with paracetamol or something. But that's bordering on a pretty serious fever.
 

Isee

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
6,235
Wife and me decided to at least wear bandanas in front of our mouths and noses from today.
Not because it is going to protect us, but should we become ill (not yet symptomatic) we could at least reduce the chance to infect critical personal like people working in grocery stores and other shoppers.

No idea how useful it will be, but we at least see no harm in doing so. Except for people looking at us because we are idiots and do not understand that cloth offers us no protection. But maybe it increases their protection, a tiny little bit.
 

septmbrvrywn

Member
Dec 3, 2018
978
Paris, France
Alright, so I went to the doctor yesterday because I had a fever of 102.5 and they tested for the flu and strep throat which tested negative. They did say I'm fighting some virus but my lungs, throat and heart have no issues. I woke up two hours ago with the same fever again and took some Advil and now my temp is at 99.1.

I just turned 24 today so I'm on the young side and I was told to wait it out for a few days and they don't think I have corona. But I'm assuming it still COULD be corona right?
DO NOT TAKE ADVIL mate! stick to paracetamol !