WELL THEN.......................(A Google translated transcript of a Spanish doctor's perspective of the coronavirus crisis and public health
risk from Barcelona.)
Why is COVID-19 extremely dangerous? The danger level of an infectious agent depends on the combination of 3 factors: the "vector of contagion" (how it is transmitted), morbidity and mortality.
COVID-19 has a contagion vector between 1.5 and 2.5, that is, 3 times higher than influenza. Which implies that its spread is geometric: 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256 ... but worst of all, unlike influenza and SARS, the last coronavirus epidemic in 2003, this is also spread during the two weeks of incubation, before even having symptoms (ed: average incubation thought to be ~5 days).
As for the morbidity-mortality, it is as follows. One thing must be clear: WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE INFECTED BY COVID-19 in the next three months (ed: other data disagrees with this).
Of every 1000 people who are infected, 900 will pass it asymptomatically, including children and young people. 100 will show symptoms. Of those 100, 80 will feel it like a very screwed up flu: dry cough, headache and muscle. That is, two or three weeks at home feeling worse than a dog. Of the remaining 20, 15 will develop bilateral pneumonia with difficulty breathing, which will require hospital admission to administer bronchodilators, corticosteroids, and oxygen. The remaining 5 will develop pulmonary fibrosis that will require immediate admission to the ICU with assisted breathing. Of those 5, 3 will die. And the two that are saved will present sequels that will possibly force a lung transplant.
These are the figures that are currently handled in the western scientific community. The data in China is worse because its health system was not prepared.
Seen like that, it doesn't seem that serious, does it? The problem is that, unlike the flu, to which a part of the population is vaccinated and also attacks progressively throughout 5 months of the year, this infection is a wave (See Italy). So in two-three months all infections will occur.
So we already have the data to do the math. Of the 40 million Spaniards, only 4 million will have symptoms. Of which 3,200,000 will have a bad flu at home. 600,000 will need hospital admission with oxygen. And 200,000 will need ICU. The problem is that in Spain there are, between the public and private health systems, only 200,000 hospital beds and 3,800 ICU beds. Do you see the problem?
The real problem is not the disease itself, despite the fact that it has a significant morbidity and mortality, but, due to its epidemiological characteristics, it comes in a wave infecting a whole population that has no previous immunity in a matter of 2-3 months, COLLAPSING THE SANITARY SYSTEM ... !!!!
This means that when hospital beds and ICUs are full, it will be necessary to apply what is known as War Medicine. That is, when for each bed that is free there are 7 people waiting, the professionals will have to decide who they already attend who are sent home saying that they will send them a doctor and an oxygen cylinder, which will never come because they will also be finished. That decision will be made based on age and general condition. That is, the youngest will be chosen, who will have a better chance of survival. This without counting the rest of serious and urgent pathologies: heart attacks, strokes, traffic accidents, etc. All this without beds and without ICU.
This looks like a science fiction movie, but this is happening RIGHT NOW in northern Italy. A country that two weeks ago was like us (Spain) now, let us not forget.
Healthcare in Madrid has already collapsed. They are telling the population that if they have symptoms, do not go to hospitals or health centers or call 112, but rather call 900 102 112. There are people who have been calling all morning and cannot get their phone picked up . It is expected that, at the rate it is spreading, Spanish Health will collapse in early April.
This is the situation. What to do then? Let's see. This is a lottery: every time you go outside or touch surfaces or go to gatherings, you buy tickets. The more tickets you buy, the higher chance you have of "winning" your prize: infection. Therefore, what you must do is NOT BUY BALLOTS.
In other words, for the next few weeks, go exclusively to work (ed: or not, if possible) and buy from the supermarket when necessary. Do not eat outside, do not go to any gathering of people, do not use public transport. It will only be a few weeks.
You may be wondering: if we are all going to take it, why isolate ourselves so much? As you will see, whether a person suffers the disease asymptomatically, such as the flu or needs hospital admission, depends fundamentally on the age and immune status of the patient. But also of a concept called "viral load", that is, the number of millions of viruses that have entered our body at the time of infection. The higher that viral load, the more damage the virus can do to our lungs as our defenses organize and make the antibodies to defend themselves. Obviously it is not the same to kiss an infected person, directly breathe infected moisture droplets from an infected person or touch an object where those droplets have fallen 3 hours ago and then touch our faces.
So we must all try to ensure that, when we get infected, the viral load is as low as possible. That is why it is recommended not to attend meetings of people or public places.
I think shortness of breath, fever and body aches are the most common symptoms.I'm definitely sick but I think it's common cold. Mucus and sore throat aren't the M.O. of this - it's more lungs right?
People panic and buying stuff excessively is not only stupid it's also dangerous, I wonder how many of these mass buyers are scalpers
I literally cannot buy any water. Never seen anything like this before.
Y'all should get a filter and use tap water.Had the same experience with Publix this morning. They were completely out of stock! They didn't even have shitty brands like Dasani available. Fortunately, unlike a weather disasters which causes closures to streets and highways, I imagine/hope things will get restocked at regular intervals.
Are we really gonna peddle china made the virus conspiracies here?Have any of you seen this yet This is just bat-shit insane!!! Sorry for low-res images, they're from the phone!!
Because we do as many tests as possible.I don't understand how China can now return to normal operation?
Have any of you seen this yet This is just bat-shit insane!!! Sorry for low-res images, they're from the phone!!
Have any of you seen this yet This is just bat-shit insane!!! Sorry for low-res images, they're from the phone!!
Are we really gonna peddle china made the virus conspiracies here?
Why aren't these billion-dollar corporations stepping up to help the fight?
This very much giving the written word is 1000's of years old I bet indeed every senario has been written down somewhere, to fit any current / future scenario.honestly that is just statistics at play: given the number of existing novels in the world I'm pretty sure you can find one that would fit any narrative
Fortunately I live in a country where tap water is safe to drink, but yeah the shelves are emptying fast everywhere :/I literally cannot buy any water. Never seen anything like this before.
Because that'd take their personal resources, which means losing money. If the US literally trying to make coronavirus vaccine research US-exclusive is any indication, most American upper management entities aren't too altruistic in the current crisis situation. Peak "fuck you, got mine" mentality.
Are we really gonna peddle china made the virus conspiracies here?
I used Brita but got this as a gift from my mom: https://www.clearlyfiltered.com/Recommendations? I've heard of Brita filters but i'm unfamiliar with how effective they are.
Have any of you seen this yet This is just bat-shit insane!!! Sorry for low-res images, they're from the phone!!
I mean right above it says we all get flesh eating mites from birds in 2010 so...Have any of you seen this yet This is just bat-shit insane!!! Sorry for low-res images, they're from the phone!!
It's from a book published almost 4 decades ago! That's what crazy!!
Don't know what the other book is but for Dean Koontz's book(I love the guy btw) back then there was a biochem facility or something outside Wuhan at that time.Have any of you seen this yet This is just bat-shit insane!!! Sorry for low-res images, they're from the phone!!
It seems the Ibuprofen thing was debunked, sorry for the bad advice
Despite there being greater priorities right now and you absolutely making the right choice, it's perfectly reasonable to be bummed about having to miss the fun stuff currently.Sorry for the vent, Era. Hope I don't sound like I'm whining or something.
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it's not.
for the same reasons ,ibuprofen is not recommanded again chicken pox.
Tap water is for the most part completely safe. Brita filters remove impurities that the municipal water system can't get out and removes minerals that affect taste.Recommendations? I've heard of Brita filters but i'm unfamiliar with how effective they are.
This is acceptable. Normal groceries + 1 extra from some items. When places get stocked again, you could do this with other products. This way other people who are still at work (the people we really need right now) and older people can buy some items as well. Stores should limit the amount people can buy for each item. People who try to buy everything availabe for themselves should be given a big fine for even trying.I mean, I prepared a little bit with the last grocery shopping so I can maybe skip a week with buying food, but I don't think that's too crazy. 🤷♂️
A far as I know it means you have it but do not show any symptoms to yourself or others, but do spread it around.What does asymptomatic mean? Is it possible for someone to have the virus, then not know their immune system killed the virus?
But can you have it then not know the whole time you've had it and you've recovered?A far as I know it means you have it but do not show any symptoms to yourself or others, but do spread it around.
I also think the mood on this forum considering this Virus is very unhealthy. There are many people on here who already suffer psychological problems/depressions etc and this thread is one huge fear-spirale that goes on 24/7.Be careful, some jumped at my throat for saying this lol
Anyway, the mood of this thread is definitely weird. There is far too much panic.
Sure I guess just like a "normal" flueBut can you have it then not know the whole time you've had it and you've recovered?
But can you have it then not know the whole time you've had it and you've recovered?
Not going to face the apocalypse without a healthy stock of Texas Topf!I mean, I prepared a little bit with the last grocery shopping so I can maybe skip a week with buying food, but I don't think that's too crazy. 🤷♂️
What does asymptomatic mean? Is it possible for someone to have the virus, then not know their immune system killed the virus?
The UFC is seeking new venue options for its upcoming events after a series of developments regarding the coronavirus on Saturday.
Additionally, the UFC's plan to host all foreseeable events inside its own Apex facility in Las Vegas is no longer feasible, after the Nevada State Athletic Commission on Saturday suspended all combat sports events in the state. Another NSAC meeting has been scheduled for March 25, but the UFC is already in the process of moving planned cards on March 28 and April 11.
"Obviously, things are changing by the hour," White said on ESPN. "This morning, they announced new travel restrictions for the U.K., so [the March 21 event] can't continue in London. But the fight will go on. We're working on finding a new venue, likely in the United States, and I have my matchmakers literally working right now to put together the undercard.
"As of now, fights can't happen at the Apex here in Las Vegas. So, we're working to find new locations, but the fights will go on; they will continue. We're not stopping."
Thank you for understanding. <3Despite there being greater priorities right now and you absolutely making the right choice, it's perfectly reasonable to be bummed about having to miss the fun stuff currently.
to be fair the original report was from whatsapp and was quoting a university as it source. the university itself said that it was fake news.Be careful, some jumped at my throat for saying this lol
Anyway, the mood of this thread is definitely weird. There is far too much panic.
Welp, not exactly sure what the new law in Austria means for me tomorrow. Let's see if my workplace calls me.
Weird times.